Warren Jeffs FLDS compound in Texas surrounded by police #5

  • #121
Children are remarkably resilient. In this particular case, it seems many of these children do not actually know who their real parents are. That makes me believe that no real bonding between mothers and children has ever occurred. The children can and will assimilate.

I know, Fairy1, and i love all of your posts. :blowkiss:

It's just that 'no real bonding between mother and child' is one of the most horrible things that can ever happen to a child.

I hate the FLDS for that most of all, more than anything else they have done.
 
  • #122
Hm, well, he did take on 20 "younger" wives, although I've not seen any report on how old those wives were and he has fathered children unless that's all a smokescreen too and many of those children were reassigned babies. Edited to add: I do believe he's continued to assault young males though. I don't think he's changed his behaviour.

Pedos in the outside world have been known to marry single women with children, with the ultimate goal of obtaining access to her children.
 
  • #123
I know, Fairy1, and i love all of your posts. :blowkiss:

It's just that 'no real bonding between mother and child' is one of the most horrible things that can ever happen to a child.

I hate the FLDS for that most of all, more than anything else they have done.

Me too. And not only is it horrible, but unnatural. The bond between mother and child transends nearly everything. I know that on these boards we read horror stories every day of mothers who have failed their children completely. Usually because of drugs. But this is different. It is engineered by the men in the sect and that speaks volumes as to the level of control we are witnessing here,
 
  • #124
Pedos in the outside world have been known to marry single women with children, with the ultimate goal of obtaining access to her children.
Very true.
 
  • #125
Interesting Leila. I wonder how the CPS views the plural "marriage" situation as it replates to child welfare. Let's say there are 5 children from one mother and that mother is wife #6 and there are 35 other children in the household. The CPS worker investigates and determines that there is no physical or sexual abuse in the household with any of the minor children, BUT wife #6 will not leave her husband and wives 1-5 + 35 other children. Does the CPS worker allow the children and mother to reunite with the rest of the household, OR does CPS view the act of polygamy a crime and an endangerment to the children?

From having dealt with child welfare issues in TX in the past as a foster parent and child advocate, my "best guess" for the above scenario would be that NO, CPS would not remove the children based simply on the fact that the adults were in a polygamous marriage. CPS is not a law enforcement agency, they are a social services agency mandated by the state to respond to reports of abuse or neglect of children and act within the guidelines of the law. In the case above, I am assuming all 6 wives are adults and none of the children are pregnant.

The difference in Eldorado was the presence of the underage mothers and pregnant children. That is why the children were removed, not because of the polygamy.

Now, at some time in the future, law enforcement might decide to prosecute the adults in the scenario above, and if arrests of the adults were made, and there were no safe homes available for the children with relatives, etc., then yes, the children would at that time be taken into CPS custody while the parents were detained by law enforcement.

The YFZ children were removed on the basis of abuse, not polygamy. Nowhere in any of the court papers is it stated that polygamy is the reason for the removal.
 
  • #126
The judge's order was for 175 adults to be DNA tested. All others, outside the order, were asked to voluntarily give DNA in an effort to sort out the identities.

With less than two dozen adults showing up for the DNA tests, I don't think the state can possibly more forward with positive identifications of the children. So this will impede the hearings going forth.

I agree with Flower Child and others that those men who fathered children with underage girls have removed themselves from the ranch and are in hiding. Cowards!

I'm quite sure the Judge will tell all the lawyers for the FLDS who 'DID NOT' take the DNA to leave her courtroom. That the FLDS isn't going to make a mockery out of her court.

She appears to be a no nonsense Judge & won't tolerate any crap from any of them. They sure don't want to get there kids back they failed to show up....All they are is a bunch of whiners & yellow belly chicken chits!
 
  • #127
I'm quite sure the Judge will tell all the lawyers for the FLDS who 'DID NOT' take the DNA to leave her courtroom. That the FLDS isn't going to make a mockery out of her court.

She appears to be a no nonsense Judge & won't tolerate any crap from any of them. They sure don't want to get there kids back they failed to show up....All they are is a bunch of whiners & yellow belly chicken chits!

I think she will too. With all the lying the mothers did about who is who and whose child is it, how would the judge know if the person requesting to get a child back is even the parent of one of the children in custody?

One question I have, if the parents of the children don't obey the court ordered DNA- can't the judge declare the children abandoned because the parents did not present themselves to be identified as a parent?
 
  • #128
If the parent has not been deemed unfit, the child will go where the parents go - that is the law and it is a good one. The government does not get to decide what is best for the child - the parent does.

But the problem is they don't know who the parent is.
Seems pretty cut & dry to me / if they can't take a DNA test to prove they are the parents is that unfit??? The government doesn't have a clue at this point who the parents are. Kids never knew who Mom was / Moms refused to say which kids were theres. Dads ran & hid....
 
  • #129
Do you have a link to the call? I can't find it anywhere...



Guys:

Is it me, or does the call sound like it is from a white person, and not a black person. To me it sounds like there is no way possible that a black person made those calls.
 
  • #130
From having dealt with child welfare issues in TX in the past as a foster parent and child advocate, my "best guess" for the above scenario would be that NO, CPS would not remove the children based simply on the fact that the adults were in a polygamous marriage. CPS is not a law enforcement agency, they are a social services agency mandated by the state to respond to reports of abuse or neglect of children and act within the guidelines of the law. In the case above, I am assuming all 6 wives are adults and none of the children are pregnant.

The difference in Eldorado was the presence of the underage mothers and pregnant children. That is why the children were removed, not because of the polygamy.

Now, at some time in the future, law enforcement might decide to prosecute the adults in the scenario above, and if arrests of the adults were made, and there were no safe homes available for the children with relatives, etc., then yes, the children would at that time be taken into CPS custody while the parents were detained by law enforcement.

The YFZ children were removed on the basis of abuse, not polygamy. Nowhere in any of the court papers is it stated that polygamy is the reason for the removal.

I agree Barb. The suspicion of abuse - from wherever the report originated - must legally be investigated. This has nothing to do with polygamy or preferred lifestyle. The children of the sect are reported to be abused (which they are - IMO). The state of Texas (and Utah and Arizona!!!!) have an obligation to investigate and handle appropriately. Because any marriage after the first is "spiritual" LE has no recourse there. They must investigate and prosecute under other circumstances.
 
  • #131
I'm quite sure the Judge will tell all the lawyers for the FLDS who 'DID NOT' take the DNA to leave her courtroom. That the FLDS isn't going to make a mockery out of her court.

She appears to be a no nonsense Judge & won't tolerate any crap from any of them. They sure don't want to get there kids back they failed to show up....All they are is a bunch of whiners & yellow belly chicken chits!

Oh G*d - I hope you're right!!! :)
 
  • #132
Do you have a link to the call? I can't find it anywhere...

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They played the calls on Nancy Grace Not sure where to locate the file..
 
  • #133
Today's exodus included the women and 63 children. Seventeen women with babies 12 months and under were to be taken to a care facility with their children.
Texas Child Protective Services workers separated 47 women from their children. Of those, 40 went to another, undisclosed location, and seven returned to the polygamous Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints' ranch in Eldorado.
http://www.sltrib.com/ci_9044448
 
  • #134
GRR! Women and children are considered "church property"!!

http://www.mazeministry.com/mormonism/smart/brides/shaken.htm
2004

"A beloved church elder is missing, a former mayor is in hiding with three of his brothers and the town prophet is being protected by a "God Squad" while dispatching his rivals."

"He has indiscriminately taken men's wives and children -- considered church property -- and assigned them to other men in town."
 
  • #135
Me too. And not only is it horrible, but unnatural. The bond between mother and child transends nearly everything. I know that on these boards we read horror stories every day of mothers who have failed their children completely. Usually because of drugs. But this is different. It is engineered by the men in the sect and that speaks volumes as to the level of control we are witnessing here,

Yep. Mothers who fail their children due to their own faults are in a whole other catagory from mothers who are so blinded by fanatisism that they willingly hand their children over to child molesters. I honestly think that the only reason a mother would ever conciously turn her back on her child is because some male 'prophet' said so...and she was so brainwashed that she believed him.

Why haven't all women realized that we are the ones who make life; that we are the ones who make breath? Why would any woman listen to a man telling her to be silent while giving birth? I just don't get how people believe these con-men cowards. I guess they breed them into it. Certainly no one from 'the real world' joins.
 
  • #136
Has this one been posted? Carolyn Jessop talking about the FLDS and it also tells why an appeal was filed for W. Jeffs in Utah.

Ex-fundamentalist fears 'scandal from Hell'
She says Canadian children could have been sent to Texas compound without their parents

It will be "an international scandal from hell" if Texas officials determine that some of the Canadian children taken from the polygamous compound in Texas were taken there without their parents, says a former member of the fundamentalist Mormon group.

And Carolyn Jessop believes that is "a very strong possibility."

http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/story.html?id=80268308-4afa-4322-b5da-69ef5ccef80f
 
  • #137
Yep. Mothers who fail their children due to their own faults are in a whole other catagory from mothers who are so blinded by fanatisism that they willingly hand their children over to child molesters. I honestly think that the only reason a mother would ever conciously turn her back on her child is because some male 'prophet' said so...and she was so brainwashed that she believed him.

Why haven't all women realized that we are the ones who make life; that we are the ones who make breath? Why would any woman listen to a man telling her to be silent while giving birth? I just don't get how people believe these con-men cowards. I guess they breed them into it. Certainly no one from 'the real world' joins.
Scientology also says a woman should give birth silently. Nothing against men in general, but have you noticed that the majority of cults or pseudo religions are created by men, who don't give birth and have no frigging clue what a woman goes through? It's stupidity on their part to create such edicts.
 
  • #138
I had seen the trailer for Banking on Heaven before but didn't find it again until tonight. Others may have posted it. Anyways, one woman talks about drowning deformed babies as acceptable behavior. Below is the link if you haven't seen if before.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gI6pBftroEc


Thank you SuziQ answers many questions I had.
 
  • #139
Has this one been posted? Carolyn Jessop talking about the FLDS and it also tells why an appeal was filed for W. Jeffs in Utah.

Ex-fundamentalist fears 'scandal from Hell'
She says Canadian children could have been sent to Texas compound without their parents

It will be "an international scandal from hell" if Texas officials determine that some of the Canadian children taken from the polygamous compound in Texas were taken there without their parents, says a former member of the fundamentalist Mormon group.

And Carolyn Jessop believes that is "a very strong possibility."

http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/story.html?id=80268308-4afa-4322-b5da-69ef5ccef80f
I saw that and a few others mentioning it. Apparently several of the Canadian women were sent to Jeffs to become his wives. The Canadians are having their own problems with the group under Blackmore.
 
  • #140

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