Warren Jeffs FLDS compound in Texas surrounded by police #5

[mollymalone]

Journalist on CNN quoted the "When Men become Gods" author. "The author does believe there is or was a birthing center on that ranch and that could be why there were no birth certificates. There was so much inbreeding and incest, a lot of babies died early. Outside of Jeff's log cabin ..."

*Molly says (I don't know whether this is in reference to Jeff's house in Colorado City)*

"there was an actual graveyard of the babies who had died shortly after childbirth, from an illness they get from inbreeding."

 

[mollymalone]

Thanks for the link Molly. Some severe sentences way back in 1953 might have helped.

If wishes were fishes... I seriously doubt severe sentences would have stopped it. It might have deterred a few but more likely they would have simply moved away in order not to face charges, kept their families under lock and key more than they were.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I want to be clear. I was not talking about there grammar, I was talking about there ACCENT! It did not appear to be a black persons accent!

"accent" If I were you, I wouldn't make any more comments on the subject, you're just digging the hole deeper:twocents:

 

[golfmom]

I never made this assumption, to do so would be putting words in my mouth. I have a Master's Degree in Speech Pathology (and a Bachelor's in Linguistics). Part of the curriculum besides Voice Disorders, is to study Speech Science, in which we do look at vocal patterns, pitch, intonation, inflections, etc. There are patterns that can be identified for certain people, and it may go back more than one generation. For example, my mother was raised in the midwest and said the word "roof" differently from most people in California, where I was born, yet being around my mother, I picked up her pronunciation and would sometimes say [roof], like book-short u, instead of [ruf]- long u. People would ask where I was from because of that.
Gang wannabes, although they may adopt the lingo, don't usually also pay close enough attention to also mimic the pitch and other intonation changes. There is an actual identified speech pattern called "Black English". It has certain liguistic characteristics to it, such as reversing the sk in the word ask to become [aks], and simplifying the verb "to be", such as saying "I be black" instead of "I am black".
Hope this helps answer some of your questions...

LinasK, I never intended to put any words in your mouth. You asked what my concerns were and why I found it offensive. I just posed a bunch of questions as to why I don't think anyone can claim to KNOW the race of person by speech alone .... unless their name was "Henry Higgins".
:bang:

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

"accent" If I were you, I wouldn't make any more comments on the subject, you're just digging the hole deeper:twocents:

You know, it never amazes me, a comment that was not made to be racist, people take it that way! Never ceases to amaze me!

 

[Truly]

"accent" If I were you, I wouldn't make any more comments on the subject, you're just digging the hole deeper:twocents:

Yes, please, LB, please stop. You are betraying an attitude that you are apparently unaware of, and it just keeps getting worse. Please stop.

This is a discussion that sadly still needs to happen in this country. Maybe a thread somewhere else? This thread has way too much going on already, and your contribution to the topic at hand is valuable and appreciated. Thanks.

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

I Meant No Harm In It!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HOLY CRAP!

 

[Truly]

I Meant No Harm In It!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That is very clear, you meant no harm at all. Don't worry. Let's discuss all of that in another thread, ok? It is a very good conversation to have.

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

That is very clear, you meant no harm at all. Don't worry. Let's discuss all of that in another thread, ok? It is a very good conversation to have.

Fair enough! I just wanted to know if we feel police are following the wrong person for the "calls" I believe that SARAH is a real person!

 

[golfmom]

I Meant No Harm In It!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I know, LB, you explained and apologized. That's why I was all for letting it go.

If Rozita is guilty of making these calls, I would assume that she would wanted her voice to sound like a young girl within the FLDS, otherwise she wouldn't have been believed. Just because she's black or bi-racial doesn't mean she's incapable of making that call.

Rozita sounds like a nut to me. But, in all honesty I'd rather hang my hat on the idea of her making crank calls, than worry about a girl who may have been hidden or worse . . .

 

[biggirl]

I read an article in a link a few pages back about a "Teresa" who testified in the Jeffs trial and helped put him away. She escaped the Canadian cult and now her heavily financed "husband" is seeking full custody of her children, with her paying child support. (This is a punishment because she left the cult and testified against Jeffs)

She lives in the USA and barely makes enough to pay her rent, let alone fight the FDLS attorneys that have endless resources. I say, why aren't some of these Pro Bono attorneys that are very generously helping out in TX helping this poor woman that is trying to protect her children and show them a new life, with education and music and laughter.

I tell you it is breaking my heart to think of her worrying that that cult will take her children away! Can we help her? Someone needs to help her.

By the way, thank you Mollymalone for all the great links, you are great.:woohoo:

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

I know, LB, you explained and apologized. That's why I was all for letting it go.

If Rozita is guilty of making these calls, I would assume that she would wanted her voice to sound like a young girl within the FLDS, otherwise she wouldn't have been believed. Just because she's black or bi-racial doesn't mean she's incapable of making that call.

Rozita sounds like a nut to me. But, in all honesty I'd rather hang my hat on the idea of her making crank calls, than worry about a girl who may have been hidden or worse . . .

I understad, Like I said I was just trying to get an answer.


I don't condone what Rosarita did, however I feel that she will more then likely get a plea deal because she was pretty accurate on what she described. And it did save 400+ children from any more harm.

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

And so it begins..... sigh.......

http://www.krld.com/pages/2071943.php?contentType=4&contentId=1948553

Houston Rockets Game In Utah Protested Over Polygamist Compound Children

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

Polygamist call on tape. Listen to it here this is not the same voice as the one they played on Nancy grace, Sound like two different voices..

 

[golfmom]

Here's a link where she's being interviewed by LE:
http://www.krdo.com/global/story.asp?s=1343812&displayHelp=true&displayHelp=true

 

[SuziQ]

According to this article the phone number linked to Rozita was the same number traced to a call made to a crisis center in Texas before the raid even happened. So the likelyhood is great that her call led to the raid.

http://cbs4denver.com/local/swinton.polygamist.false.2.706769.html

An arrest warrant affidavit made public today shows that one phone number used to report alleged abuse at a polygamist retreat in Texas had been used previously by a Colorado woman.

The affidavit says a call was placed from that phone number to a crisis center in Texas before authorities there raided the retreat of a renegade Mormon sect and removed more than 400 children.

The affidavit shows that 33-year-old Rozita Swinton of Colorado Springs used the same number previously, but it's not clear if authorities suspect Swinton of making calls that led to the raid.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Here's a link where she's being interviewed by LE:
http://www.krdo.com/global/story.asp?s=1343812&displayHelp=true&displayHelp=true

Okay...how did you get that great picture of your dogs on the bottom?

 

[golfmom]

Okay...how did you get that great picture of your dogs on the bottom?

1. go to user cp
2. select edit signature
3. right click on a photo you like and select "copy image location"
4. click the little yellow box with the mountains to insert a photo and paste the link in the pop up window.
5. preview your new signature
6. :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: New signature picture!

 

[Truly]

May I ask a question along another train of thought?

Earlier, when we were discussing the finances of the FLDS, it was mentioned in an article that the compound in Texas had never filed for tax-exempt status as a 'church'. I am wondering if anyone knows how to find out if they are in fact listed as a church in any state (or nationally), or if they are a for-profit corporation, or just a private family, or what?

Does anyone know? TIA!

 

[Linda7NJ]

1. go to user cp
2. select edit signature
3. right click on a photo you like and select "copy image location"
4. click the little yellow box with the mountains to insert a photo and paste the link in the pop up window.
5. preview your new signature
6. :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: New signature picture!

I can't use one I have stored on my computer? :waitasec: