you in bold sherri,
i read that as the men are detained only during the search. i would think that would be common practice. for the safety of the officers you would not want criminal suspects to be free to wander in and out of a crime scene. the search may take longer than a normal search due to the size of the compound.
What about the men who are being held that havent abused a child?
they have given the mothers the chance to stay with the children.
They took their children. I would imagine some were even breastfeeding. I dont see telling a mother I am taking your child and you can come if you want as merciful or kind, unless that woman is guilty of something...and you are extending mercy in spite of. If a woman is guilty of nothing and you barge in and take her child by force, allowing her to come along is neither merciful nor kind.
that is unusual but it has taken some of the burden off the system. finding a place to house 400 plus children and a hundred plus mothers was easier than finding foster homes for 400 plus children. as i said above the children should not be left in the home with a sexual predator. until the men are arrested or cleared the children should not be returned.
I have a question. About that term sexual predator. Sherri do you think these men are deluded religious cult members who have blatantly broken the law of the land regarding the legal age for minors to be involved in sexual activities OR are these men predators running around the compound raping young girls at will? (I am asking this question for a reason.)
Also, a few centuries back girls were commonly married at 14 or younger. Were the men who married them sexual predators? What about the plantation owners of Virginia that had sex with black slave girls? Sexual predators? Sally Hemings was said to be pregnant with Thomas Jefferson's child at the age of 16. Was he sexual predator? I am steering clear of throwing that term out to freely. I see it being bandied about a lot in today's society and I think that we do a disservice to the very people we are trying to protect. If nearly every where we turn someone is being called a sexual predator that makes it real easy for the TRUE predators to just blend in. I prefer that they stand out. A spotlight would be even better. Its kind of like the difference in calling someone an inebriated older woman VS a drunken
. Both terms convey the meaning but one trys to manipulate the emotions of the hearer in a more negative way.
if you showed up on the playground and claimed my child as yours today what would i do to prove it was my child? i would produce family photos, i would produce stacks of paper work from the birth certificate to doctors records to school records. i would ask my child to tell the police who his mommy is. things are not so simple in this case. the children are instructed to call all wives of their father mother. they raise the children as a group not as individual families. a 30 year old wife may claim a new born as hers to cover for the fact it actually belongs to her 15 year old sister wife. with no records of the births we would need to trust that none of these mothers would lie to protect their way of life.
You are bringing up a good point that I had not thought of. I think that you are right. Some of these women are not going to perceive themselves as "rescued" and under duress people lie almost as a self protective mechanism even if they normally believe lying to be wrong. At least with the infants no one can lie as I imagine they would all be breastfeeding and that is going to make that clear as to who belongs to whom. As for the other children I guess it will be DNA testing.
religion is not just faith but also history. people often ignore that. the bible has rules laid out by god and rules laid out by man. when we read a reference to slavery or how large of a stick you should beat your wife with we should take it in the context of a historical document. as the views of society change the historical rules laid down by men are often drop by the main stream religions. it is the rules laid down by god we are expected to still follow if we practice one of the faiths you listed above.
well the Bible doesnt address slavery unless you are meaning the various groups taken captive into slavery at various times. The Bible doesnt speak of the size of a stick to beat a woman with either. Maybe you were referring to another holy writing.
i am a firm believer in the right to express our religious beliefs even if it makes others uncomfortable. when our religious practices cause physical harm to others i feel it is no longer a freedom of religion issue. we have a set of laws in this country that govern acceptable behavior. those that feel the law is unjust are free to try and change them. different states have different laws that cover the age of consent. inbreeding must lower the IQ because they chose a state with a consent law of 16. the point of a consent law is to say "at this age a girl is old enough to control her own body and make a agreement for sex". in no state is it legal for a parent to tell a child of any age you must consent to sex. weather you hold the girl down or simply tell her she must do it you have taken away the ability to consent.
I agree. And isn't it noteworthy that when thousands of people came forth concerning child molestation in the Catholic church there wasn't near the hoopla we see here. I should research that but just a cursory glance at Goggle I found one priest being arrested and charged with 40 counts of child molestation.
would i be happy with that? depends on the day you ask me. some days i would be happy to have our culture wiped out. for all the wonderful things we have done we have bred a society full of people that abuse children.
And it is exactly that society that we are wanting to place the women and children of FLDS in.
from my first memory i was abused. from the age of 7 until 15 i was sexually abused almost daily. my mother did not stop it. many times i prayed for him to die and often thought of killing myself.
As a child from a similar background I am glad that you have made it this far sherri. My heart goes out to you. :blowkiss:
[Bi do not think a end to a culture that allows that kind of abuse is a bad thing. just because something is culturally acceptable does not make it ok. the nazi empire had it's culture virtually wiped out and that did not turn out bad. you do not hear of many cannibals around today and i am ok with that. people will always judge each other and think they are better. i am sure the people on planet x think there way is better than ours. maybe it is.
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LOL The planet X thing was my own weird flaky illustration. I am glad that you got what I was intending. You have a good sense of humor don't you?
as for what to do with the FLDS i think that answer is not so complicated. we have shown as a society a willingness to ignore their practice of polygamy. if they wish to retain their culture they must no longer bring harm to their children. eat home grown foods. ok. kick young boys out into the wild to fend for themselves. not ok. make your own clothing and shun a modern lifestyle ok. force young girls to have sex. not ok.
I completely agree. I wish they could adapt to the world as it truly is. Keep the things that are good about their life style and eliminate the bad
