Was BR involved? #2

[madeleine]

A bit confused here.....it's the second time I am reading Kolar's book cause the first time I had mixed feelings re him being BDI.
I don't understand what the purpose and goal of his Theory of Prosecution were if BDI.He can't be prosecuted.

It incorporates
a theoretical construct of the events of the crime and is presented in
a manner that might be argued before the members of a grand jury.
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With those sentiments in mind, I continue to argue that there is a
course of action available to you that will ultimately clear this homicide.
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thoughts?

 

[reintarnation]

Yet her cause of death is strangulation, and it's generally believed that the blow to the skull happened second.

After the AR came out, whether the head blow occurred before or after the strangulation was purely speculative. Lou Smit and other IDI proponents emphasized that the head blow came last because of how that played out for the scenario they built: Intruder incapacitates JBR with stun gun in her bedroom, takes her to the basement, sexually assaults and tortures her with the garrote, then finishes her off with a blow to the head.

I wish I could cite an exact source, but IIRC this order of injury was disproved or at least is no longer generally accepted. The head blow occurred first and JBR lived for another 45 min - 2 hours (or some similar timeframe that's impossible to determine precisely) before being strangled. The head blow was severe enough that it would have incapacitated JBR and she would have been unconscious for the remainder of the assault/murder. Thus it is easier to speculate that the head blow was accidental and the remaining injuries were staged. It also makes the stun gun theory illogical (although there are plenty of facts to back that up also).

 

[reintarnation]

A bit confused here.....it's the second time I am reading Kolar's book cause the first time I had mixed feelings re him being BDI.
I don't understand what the purpose and goal of his Theory of Prosecution were if BDI.He can't be prosecuted.

It incorporates
a theoretical construct of the events of the crime and is presented in
a manner that might be argued before the members of a grand jury.
-------
With those sentiments in mind, I continue to argue that there is a
course of action available to you that will ultimately clear this homicide.
----------

thoughts?

Maybe he means that an official statement can be made? They are unable to prosecute but can make an opinion and close the case. That and/or maybe JR can be prosecuted for his involvement in covering it up? Maybe there is also the potential to file a civil suit as well?

 

[madeleine]

Maybe he means that an official statement can be made? They are unable to prosecute but can make an opinion and close the case. That and/or maybe JR can be prosecuted for his involvement in covering it up? Maybe there is also the potential to file a civil suit as well?

IIRC the only charge they can bring after all these years is for murder?not anymore for cover up?someone pls remind me

 

[otg]

A bit confused here.....it's the second time I am reading Kolar's book cause the first time I had mixed feelings re him being BDI.
I don't understand what the purpose and goal of his Theory of Prosecution were if BDI.He can't be prosecuted.

It incorporates
a theoretical construct of the events of the crime and is presented in
a manner that might be argued before the members of a grand jury.
-------

With those sentiments in mind, I continue to argue that there is a
course of action available to you that will ultimately clear this homicide.
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thoughts?

I’m not sure, maddie, but here’s what I think:

Basically, Kolar’s “Theory of Prosecution” (which Garnett asked him to write) is that it cannot be prosecuted. He doesn’t really say anything about prosecuting it. He does though mention that his theory “incorporates a theoretical construct of the events of the crime and is presented in a manner that might be argued before the members of a grand jury,” as you pointed out.

In his closing paragraphs of that chapter, he writes instead about it being “solved,” “cleared,” “seeking answers,” or even bringing the case “to a successful resolution.” Here is his closing of that document (bbm):

From my perspective however, and it will become evident should you elect to take the time to review this theory, your predecessors have left your office with little or no opportunity to prosecute anyone who had a hand in the murder of JonBenét or those who participated in the cover-up of the circumstances surrounding her death.

With the recent passing of the fourteenth anniversary of JonBenét’s murder I suspect that the vast majority of people have given up hope of ever seeing the case resolved. Moreover, I whole-heartedly share the opinion that you voiced during the task force meeting nearly two years ago: most in Boulder County wish to hear nothing more about the case unless it has been definitively solved.

With those sentiments in mind, I continue to argue that there is a course of action available to you that will ultimately clear this homicide. I believe that the information outlined in the attached materials provides your office with the best and perhaps the last opportunity to seek the answers that Alex Hunter and Mary Lacy were unwilling to pursue.

Ultimately, the furtherance of this murder investigation rests in your hands and I would propose that the time has come for the prosecutor’s office to take back the initiative from the cadre of Ramsey attorneys who have steered the course of this inquiry for far too many years.

In closing, I have to state that I have always held to the belief that the criminal justice system would be able to bring this case to a successful resolution. And as a criminal investigator who was once responsible for the lead role in one of the most bizarre murder investigations this country has ever witnessed, I feel that I have finally fulfilled my obligation to the office where my participation first began.
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My thought is that if Garnett impaneled a GJ to present the evidence, they would be unable to return any true bills due to the age of Burke for the principal crime and the statute of limitations on the other charges. But with a DA willing to do the right thing, the GJ could (failing to return an indictment) write a report which would be made public. If that happened, it would “bring this case to a successful resolution.” Then everyone could go home and forget about it (except for Burke and John). But then, that’s the reason this won’t happen. Instead they just let us all debate what happened without any resolution.

 

[BBB167893]

A bit confused here.....it's the second time I am reading Kolar's book cause the first time I had mixed feelings re him being BDI.
I don't understand what the purpose and goal of his Theory of Prosecution were if BDI.He can't be prosecuted.

It incorporates
a theoretical construct of the events of the crime and is presented in
a manner that might be argued before the members of a grand jury.
-------

With those sentiments in mind, I continue to argue that there is a
course of action available to you that will ultimately clear this homicide.
----------





thoughts?

I don't know if he's arguing that a case can be prosecuted, madeleine, merely that it can be resolved. A Grand Jury can do more than just indict; they have subpoena powers to compel testimony and the like.

 

[Tadpole12]

Yes otg
Comparatively, the elk incident received a thorough inquiry.
http://extras.mnginteractive.com/li...7_024005_Executive_Summary_-_Elk_Shooting.pdf

 

[Tadpole12]

Yeah, how about AC for @$$-clown?

Heyya SD

New terminology, fmi
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/assclown

hats and helmets as well.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

Paula Woodward's book has Burke's response to BPD wanting to interview him in 2010:

Look up her book "We Have Your Daughter" on Amazon...go to "Look Inside" part...it's on page 450.

 

[Tadpole12]

https://www.amazon.ca/We-Have-Your-Daughter-Unsolved/dp/1632260778#reader_1632260778

WHYD
p450
PBD and Grand Jury had BR's medical records.

Notes p 463
The Stines are specifically mentioned in the book as they gave permission for
their names to be cited.

Documents p 479
Officer French noted that BR was "confused and crying" after the child 'was awakened'.

 

[BoldBear]

Couldn't figure out why I couldn't purchase. Er...Canadian Amazon. I don't have a Canadian Amazon account.

 

[Tadpole12]

http://variety.com/2016/tv/news/kil...emiere-date-a-e-john-ramsey-burke-1201844886/

JonBenét Ramsey Documentary, ‘The Truth Uncovered,’ Coming to A&E
August 25, 2016


“The Killing of JonBenét: The Truth Uncovered” will include the first airing of the interview conducted with JonBenét’s brother Burke in 1998, including his firsthand account of the events at that time, which was organized by the District Attorney’s office and never released publicly. The interview will be accompanied by new analysis from an independent child psychologist.

The special will also feature the first sit-down interview with John Ramsey as he shares unprecedented access to his diaries at the time of the murder as well as a new level of depth to his and his late wife’s feelings about that time in their life. The special will also feature exclusive and shocking DNA evidence that might point more conclusively to who killed JonBenét Ramsey.
“The Killing of JonBenét: The Truth Uncovered” is produced by Mills Productions for A&E Network. Executive producers for Mills Productions are David Mills and Janet Taylor. Executive producers for A&E Network are Elaine Frontain Bryant and Laura Fleury.
“The Killing of JonBenét: The Truth Uncovered” will premiere on September 5 at 9 p.m. on A&E.

 

[singularity]

Officer French noted that BR was "confused and crying" after the child 'was awakened'.

Wait a minute.....I thought he was a mute statue that exhibited zero emotion?


Fruit other than just pineapple....light switches where they should be.......a crying Burke.......


Like I said before, time to hit the reset button. A lot of what we've been fed for 20 years was a big load of horse manure.

 

[madeleine]

http://variety.com/2016/tv/news/kil...emiere-date-a-e-john-ramsey-burke-1201844886/

JonBenét Ramsey Documentary, ‘The Truth Uncovered,’ Coming to A&E
August 25, 2016


“The Killing of JonBenét: The Truth Uncovered” will include the first airing of the interview conducted with JonBenét’s brother Burke in 1998, including his firsthand account of the events at that time, which was organized by the District Attorney’s office and never released publicly. The interview will be accompanied by new analysis from an independent child psychologist.

The special will also feature the first sit-down interview with John Ramsey as he shares unprecedented access to his diaries at the time of the murder as well as a new level of depth to his and his late wife’s feelings about that time in their life. The special will also feature exclusive and shocking DNA evidence that might point more conclusively to who killed JonBenét Ramsey.
“The Killing of JonBenét: The Truth Uncovered” is produced by Mills Productions for A&E Network. Executive producers for Mills Productions are David Mills and Janet Taylor. Executive producers for A&E Network are Elaine Frontain Bryant and Laura Fleury.
“The Killing of JonBenét: The Truth Uncovered” will premiere on September 5 at 9 p.m. on A&E.

oh man.....:facepalm:
I don\t care about the man/s diaries....not even sure he wrote them himself
re the shocking DNA evidence...wasnt aware they were conducting any independent tests or something...but am pretty sure I wont be shocked at all

 

[madeleine]

Wait a minute.....I thought he was a mute statue that exhibited zero emotion?


Fruit other than just pineapple....light switches where they should be.......a crying Burke.......


Like I said before, time to hit the reset button. A lot of what we've been fed for 20 years was a big load of horse manure.

as I said on FFJ....all this media battle will end up with a huge IDI victory IMO
making Burke/s interviews public , exposing him was a very very smart move IMO. will be surprised if people wont be crying out loud for the poor *victim*

we/ll see but this is what I feel

what they are trying to do once again is deflect from the REAL victim and they will succeed, sadly

Johns diaries, Patsys feelings, Burkes experiences....what about JONBENET??

IMO

 

[madeleine]

time for someone to ask John about all those trips to the basement that morning not about his feelings, we have heard way too much about that.about how just a few days after the murder he FELT he has to go on!

 

[singularity]

what they are trying to do once again is deflect from the REAL victim and they will succeed, sadly

IMO

IMO what's happening is we're finally getting glimpses of the truth....and its going against the grain of what we've been told.

An IDI victory? I don't see it that way. Did an intruder and Jonbenet walk to a 24 hour grocery store to pick up some cherries and grapes for the pineapple feast? Of course not.

We've been told for 20 years that Burke was like a robot to the point some people think he's a deranged sociopath who bashes skulls in during snacks. Couldn't they have spent a couple minutes at some point informing us that he had been crying that morning? Kolar must have forgot to slip that little detail into his theory.

 

[singularity]

time for someone to ask John about all those trips to the basement

Absolutely. Time to ask Fleet about those trips again as well.

2016 is 'cards on the table' time.

 

[madeleine]

IMO what's happening is we're finally getting glimpses of the truth....and its going against the grain of what we've been told.

An IDI victory? I don't see it that way. Did an intruder and Jonbenet walk to a 24 hour grocery store to pick up some cherries and grapes for the pineapple feast? Of course not.

We've been told for 20 years that Burke was like a robot to the point some people think he's a deranged sociopath who bashes skulls in during snacks. Couldn't they have spent a couple minutes at some point informing us that he had been crying that morning? Kolar must have forgot to slip that little detail into his theory.

the problem is you know it, i know it, but the general public doesnt know what we know, they just watch these shows and move on.if after all these shows nothing changes, IDI wins.and nothing will change cause those who might go back and do something dont give a damn.

 

[madeleine]

Absolutely. Time to ask Fleet about those trips again as well.

2016 is 'cards on the table' time.

i so wish you were right.i am pessimistic this time.too many slaps in my face over the years since I am interested in the case