Was Burke Involved? #6

[Swirlz]

a bowl of pineapple was on the table ,fingerprints of the brother was on the bowl, the pineapple was not finished ,so something happened to prevent the brother from eating his pineapple what was that

Patsy's prints are also on the bowl. The prints of either Patsy or Burke could've gotten onto the dish at any time after it'd been taken out of the dishwasher. Neither one of them even necessarily ate out of it, the prints could've gotten onto it when one or the other of them pushed it out of the way. We only know at about what time JonBenet ate the pineapple.

 

[Witness 28]

Hi Swirlz, there was a glass of ice tea on the table next to the pineapple bowl the glass had BR fingerprints on it, the Mag light which people assume to be the murder weapon or the one that hit JBon the head all fingerprints were wipe from that ,maybe someone wiped the bowl but didn't do a good job and left their fingerprints on it, and the Ransom note was wipe too there was no fingerprints on that there was no fingerprints on the garrot the paint brush used to make the garrot , Patsy Ramsey denies ever putting the bowl of pineapple out and Burke denies that he ever 8 pineapple that day and then there was a 911 call to many lies
Link to Investigator asking Patsy about the pineapple and she denying it and also Burke denying he ate or he doesn't remember eating pineapple that day

 

[Witness 28]

An interview conducted with Burke age 9 by the boulder police department, I'm open to ideas that it could have been an intruder because of the high tech boots which left a mark inside the basement and the touch DNA but if the touch DNA was placed there to make out like there was an intruder and the high tech boots was owned by someone in the family even the 911 call where at the start the mother and father might have thought Burke was involved because of the lies and if the touch DNA was not planted there but it's actually put by the intruder and as stated high tech boots someone else besides the family had that then it's a waiting game for someone to come up on DNA testing.
But in the interview on YouTube Burke says a knife was used and attacks the air with it couldn't have been the train tracks where the markings on his sisters leg and they thought it was a stun gun but exactly train tracks and the hammer which he said was used these are BR own words and hammer was actually the mag torch so very eerie wow how did the kid come to comprehend this if he was not there and his denial of the pineapple or that he ate pineapple or the Patsy's denial that she ever served pineapple to Burke that night when her fingerprints were on the bowl, I'm still open to the Intruder Theory but that interview snacks of inside knowledge of a kid who's actually there when it happened

 

[Swirlz]

Patsy's fibers are in the ligature knot. John's fibers link him to sexual assault. The autopsy revealed evidence of 'epithelial erosion' of the hymen. This has nothing to do with Burke. This has never had anything to do with Burke.

 

[Lebowski]

BDI is the best theory and the worst theory

and so are all the others

except IDI, which is just a bad theory.

 

[Witness 28]

Patsy's fibers are in the ligature knot. John's fibers link him to sexual assault. The autopsy revealed evidence of 'epithelial erosion' of the hymen. This has nothing to do with Burke. This has never had anything to do with Burke.

I totally agree with you with all this evidence of fibers but I'm still keeping an open mind and I Still Believe it is possible that the mother and father with their clumsy act or cover up to protect their son is a possibility as well, and the possibility of parents sexually assaulting a young daughter it's very hideous, it must be considered as well, I must look at JBR doctors notes paediatrician again and the autopsy notes , someone made the garrot in the house if the evidence links the parents to the garrot through fibers case closed

 

[Lebowski]

BDI pros:
easy explanation for why the parents never pointed fingers at each other. and for why JR is still proclaiming his family's innocence all these years later, when he is probably too old to go to prison and PR is dead. BR admits he went back downstairs later, which probably puts him close to the place and time of the murder -- at the very least, why didn't he encounter the intruder? pineapple stuff suggests BR and JBR had some interaction around that time too. if you believe the analyses of the 911 recording, he was awake at a time his parents claimed he was sleeping. lastly, RDI seems pretty likely, and if you see problems with JDI and PDI, BR is the alternative.

BDI cons:
almost unheard of for kids that age to murder. statistics point to the parents, and especially JR. detectives and psychiatrists who watched BR's interview don't think he was lying or hiding anything. parents quickly whisked him away to a friend's house, where he could have easily blabbed in front of people. debatable whether he was even capable of the head blow. BR could never have been convicted of anything, so its questionable whether parents had a motive to cover up and lie for him. BR certainly didn't write the note and probably couldn't move his sister's body around, so he couldn't have done much of the staging, maybe didn't do any.

 

[Witness 28]

BDI is the best theory and the worst theory

and so are all the others

except IDI, which is just a bad theory.

Hi ,what's bdi an Idi please sorry

 

[Lebowski]

bdi = "Burke did it"
idi = "Intruder did it"

etc.

 

[Swirlz]

BDI pros:
easy explanation for why the parents never pointed fingers at each other. and for why JR is still proclaiming his family's innocence all these years later, when he is probably too old to go to prison and PR is dead. BR admits he went back downstairs later, which probably puts him close to the place and time of the murder -- at the very least, why didn't he encounter the intruder? pineapple stuff suggests BR and JBR had some interaction around that time too. if you believe the analyses of the 911 recording, he was awake at a time his parents claimed he was sleeping. lastly, RDI seems pretty likely, and if you see problems with JDI and PDI, BR is the alternative.

JR does not want to go down in the history books as a creepy pedophile. Whether or not he's too old to go to prison, his fibers link him to sexual abuse and it's safe to assume he does not want people talking about that.

It was actually John who placed Burke downstairs. Dr. Phil prefaced his question about being downstairs to Burke with YOUR DAD SAID... Burke then answers in the affirmative. It's possible Phil is calling Burke's bluff but that wouldn't fit with the rest of the interview in which, overall, Phil doesn't seem to be trying to trip Burke up. John has NEVER said this before. Why did John Ramsey pick this particular time to divulge this info to a television talk-show host?

I'm not clear on how both Burke and Patsy's prints being on a pineapple dish points to Burke being anymore likely to have set out the pineapple dish than Patsy. And yes, I know Burke's prints are also on the glass but the glass appears to have a small amount of clear liquid in it with a tea bag draped over the side and my guess is that it was just a glass of water left over from earlier in the day that someone used to drape a used to bag over.

Not sure how Burke becomes the "alternative" to problems with JDI or PDI. The parents are directly linked by their physical evidence. To explain that away you have to explain how Patsy's fibers got into the inside of a ligature knot and how John's fibers landed in his daughter's most intimate areas.

 

[Swirlz]

BDI is the best theory and the worst theory

The idea that BDI is somehow the best theory seems to revolve around people not being able to believe the parents could or would cover for each other and being emotional about that. Other than that he happened to be in the house that night, I've never seen any particular evidence that would point to him.

 

[Lebowski]

JR does not want to go down in the history books as a creepy pedophile. Whether or not he's too old to go to prison, his fibers link him to sexual abuse and it's safe to assume he does not want people talking about that.

yes that JR would still care about his reputation and legacy, even if JDI. but if JDI, i would expect him to quietly tiptoe away from the case, rather than continually drawing attention to himself in connection with it. that said, i admit this is a weak indicator, and a good liar might play the role to the hilt.

It was actually John who placed Burke downstairs. Dr. Phil prefaced his question about being downstairs to Burke with YOUR DAD SAID... Burke then answers in the affirmative. It's possible Phil is calling Burke's bluff but that wouldn't fit with the rest of the interview in which, overall, Phil doesn't seem to be trying to trip Burke up. John has NEVER said this before. Why did John Ramsey pick this particular time to divulge this info to a television talk-show host?

I'm not clear on how both Burke and Patsy's prints being on a pineapple dish points to Burke being anymore likely to have set out the pineapple dish than Patsy. And yes, I know Burke's prints are also on the glass but the glass appears to have a small amount of clear liquid in it with a tea bag draped over the side and my guess is that it was just a glass of water left over from earlier in the day that someone used to drape a used to bag over.

imo, the main significance to the pineapple is it seems to catch the parents in a lie about the timeline.

i do think pineapple being in JBR's stomach and BR's fingerprints on the bowl is evidence they were both in the kitchen late at night. it is circumstantial evidence, but it is evidence.

Not sure how Burke becomes the "alternative" to problems with JDI or PDI. The parents are directly linked by their physical evidence. To explain that away you have to explain how Patsy's fibers got into the inside of a ligature knot and how John's fibers landed in his daughter's most intimate areas.

i agree the fiber evidence points to the parents. but (like everything in this case), it's not a smoking gun. the possibility of transfer is obvious. they lived in the house. also, IIUC, the fiber matches are not (and maybe never are?) unique like a fingerprint, the conclusions are only "these are consistent with fibers from that article of clothing". it's simply not as conclusive as one would want it to be.

 

[Lebowski]

The idea that BDI is somehow the best theory seems to revolve around people not being able to believe the parents could or would cover for each other and being emotional about that. Other than that he happened to be in the house that night, I've never seen any particular evidence that would point to him.

for me, the strongest indicator is the parents never pointing the fingers at each other. if one was innocent, and the other was guilty, the innocent one would likely at least suspect the other at some point. and if you suspect your spouse murdered your child, why would you stand by them?

if JDI, i see a slim chance PR stands by him, because women standing by men who murder their children is indeed a thing that sometimes happens, plus there was a huge power imbalance in that relationship.

if PDI all, i see zero chance JR never suspects and zero chance he doesn't point the finger at her.

haing said all of that, i think i spend most of my time hovering in PDI territory. i think the most roads lead to her.

 

[Swirlz]

The underpants the body was found in were size 12 and had presumably never been laundered and even if they had been, JB had her own washer/dryer. And no one noticed a pair of size 12 underpants on JB. (For people unfamiliar with children's underpants sizes, a size 12 should fit an average 12 yr. old.) A slender 6 yr. old wouldn't be able to walk in a pair of size 12 underpants. So how did John's fibers get into the underpants crotch along with being in what the prosecutor termed her "crotch area" along with her blood if John isn't the party responsible for sexual assault?

 

[Lebowski]

re: the sexual assault evidence, i like to do a deep dive on one aspect at a time, and i haven't gotten around to that one yet. so for now, i'm agnostic on it.