Was Burke involved?

[sandover]

Here's a video of Burke flying a plane.rc_plane_2.avi - YouTube

WARNING: YOU WILL GET DIZZY

You can even hear his speaking voice starting at 4:05.

A chilling video.

A psychoanalyst might say that BR wants to escape his past, rise above it -- but is headed for a crash.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

A chilling video.

A psychoanalyst might say that BR wants to escape his past, rise above it -- but is headed for a crash.

Also, didn't it look like he was flying out of a parking lot? And that landing...OMG. I hope he isn't flying to and from places. I wonder if he was trying to impress that girl...And is he flying John's plane? Or does he have his own?

 

[sandover]

Also, didn't it look like he was flying out of a parking lot? And that landing...OMG. I hope he isn't flying to and from places. I wonder if he was trying to impress that girl...And is he flying John's plane? Or does he have his own?

It's a remote control plane that he affixed a camera to. But he does also fly. You can see pictures of him flying on his Facebook page.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

From my sleuthing, I've discovered that Burke's best friend is named BB. I found BB's facebook, and he is friends with Burke AND Doug Stine. So it looks like Burke is still good friends with Doug. If I was BB, I would've given the two of them a lot to drink....

I also found John Andrew's Google+ Profile, and guess who he is still friends with? Brad Millard. It's probably doesn't mean anything; just thought it was interesting.

 

[sandover]

From my sleuthing, I've discovered that Burke's best friend is named BB. I found BB's facebook, and he is friends with Burke AND Doug Stine. So it looks like Burke is still good friends with Doug. If I was BB, I would've given the two of them a lot to drink....

I also found John Andrew's Google+ Profile, and guess who he is still friends with? Brad Millard. It's probably doesn't mean anything; just thought it was interesting.

Do you have a link to Doug Stine's profile? Burke's profile doesn't give access to his friend list.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

Neither does Doug's. If you want to see it, search for Douglas Stine on FB. It's the one where he lives in Atlanta and went to Georgia Tech. I don't think I can post a direct link.

 

[sandover]

Neither does Doug's. If you want to see it, search for Douglas Stine on FB. It's the one where he lives in Atlanta and went to Georgia Tech. I don't think I can post a direct link.

Doug: https://www.facebook.com/dstine

Burke: https://www.facebook.com/burke.ramsey

But where are you finding the "BB" profile?

 

[eileenhawkeye]

Burke's twitter used to be public, and he tweeted BB all the time. And BB's twitter is still public, and you can see that him and Burke still talk. And I found BB's blog, and he mentions how Burke is his good friend and roommate in Atlanta until he moved to Indianapolis. So then I found BB's FB, and saw that he is friends with Doug and Burke.

 

[sandover]

Burke's twitter used to be public, and he tweeted BB all the time. And BB's twitter is still public, and you can see that him and Burke still talk. And I found BB's blog, and he mentions how Burke is his good friend and roommate in Atlanta until he moved to Indianapolis. So then I found BB's FB, and saw that he is friends with Doug and Burke.

Please link to BB's twitter. thanks!

 

[tweezybird]

I couldn't get into either one.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

Since BB has never been named in any media outlet, I'm not going to link his twitter. I also think it's against the rules. But if you PM me, I'll send you the link.

 

[UKGuy]

So Burke and DS are still buddies, makes you wonder? Does John still hook up with the Stines, what was all that stuff about fake emails and impersonating people by Susan Stine?

Given the way the R's targeted all their former buddies, but not the Stine's, makes me think there was definitely something going on. Its either the Stines knows something so important that they have to be brought into the big-tent, or a Stine is involved in some manner?



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[UKGuy]

Since BB has never been named in any media outlet, I'm not going to link his twitter. I also think it's against the rules. But if you PM me, I'll send you the link.

eileenhawkeye,
Try a google search, using "BB AND burke.ramsey" or "#BB AND burke.ramsey" or "Like BB OR Like burke.ramsey"

There are some twitter specific search engines that will find images and text too.

Since Mark Zuckerburg could not keep his personal pictures and texts private, neither can burke or DS, if required they can be accessed!


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[LillieBelle]

GuruJosh,

I also believe it to be compelling. The handwriting in the captions of Burke's personal photo album matches the handwriting in the ransom note. It's not Patsy's handwriting in the album. It's Burke's handwriting -- just read it.

The evidence comes from two sources. The CBI's handwriting experts who couldn't eliminate Burke as the writer of the note; and Darnay Hoffman's handwriting experts who said that whoever wrote the captions likely wrote the ransom note.

The evidence is compelling that Burke wrote the ransom note.

BlueCrab

Not sure about handwriting itself, BUT using the word "hence" in the note makes me 100% sure it wasn't written by a child, no way, no how...JMHO

 

[eileenhawkeye]

I know case followers on other forums who have sent Burke messages on FB, specifically mentioning JonBenet, and he has replied back to them. This is one message that he sent to someone in 2009:

"Thanks Jennifer! You're sweet to say that and I like your new default picture, by the way. JB is always in my heart. I can only hope to be half the sweet-natured person that she was to me and everyone else. Have a good weekend!"

 

[eileenhawkeye]

One of the Denver news stations interviewed Stan Garnett for JonBenet's 21st Birthday, he said they get about 2-3 tips every week. I also know they received 800+ tips from 2009-2011.

Boulder LE also said they received 5000 tips from 1997-2008. Is it just me or does that sound like a really low number for a case that was as high-profile as this one?

Okay, I'm quoting myself here but I found an old article from June 1998 that said Boulder PD had received 7,000 telephone tips and 3,400 letters by that time. It's not a big deal, but I just knew that 5000 tips in 12 years was way too low.

 

[Flatlander]

IN THE MATTER OF:
4
5
6 INTERVIEW WITH JOHN RAMSEY
7
8 _________________________________________________
9
10
11 TRANSCRIPT OF INTERVIEW
12
13 VOLUME 1 OF 4
14 PAGES 1 - 246
15
16
17
18
19 JUNE 23RD, 1998
What time then did you leave the
25 White's party?
0105
1 JOHN RAMSEY: I think we left at about between
2 8:30 and 9:00. Because I remember trying to get
3 Burke into bed at a reasonable hour when we went
4 home.
5 LOU SMIT: How far is the Whites from where
6 you live? I know that there is that little time
7 period in there?
8 JOHN RAMSEY: Well we went from the Whites
9 to the Walkers to drop off a gift.
10 LOU SMIT: Were they labeled in this diagram?
11 JOHN RAMSEY: Yeah. (INAUDIBLE).
12 LOU SMIT: (INAUDIBLE) would the drive have
13 been from the Whites there?
14 JOHN RAMSEY: Oh, six minutes, five minutes.
15 It's not really far.
16 LOU SMIT: Okay.
17 JOHN RAMSEY: Probably even less. I think
18 the kids and I stayed in the car and Patsy went
19 out to the door. It didn't take very long. Ten
20 minutes maybe.
21 LOU SMIT: Now this may not seem important
22 or anything, the dynamics of things back at that
23 time. You leave the Whites, the children are going
24 to get in the car. Is JonBenet walking with
25 anybody? I mean, describe like how they get in and
0106
1 where they go or whatever?
2 JOHN RAMSEY: Well I don't remember
3 specifically getting in. But I know she was, I
4 mean, it's always a challenge to get them rounded
5 up and with all her toys and get them detached
6 from what they're doing and haul them away.
7 Getting thing out to the car and off we went.
8 LOU SMIT: Any particular seat arrangement?
9 JOHN RAMSEY: Well JonBenet sat behind me,
10 as the driver. Burke sat to her on the other side
11 of the backseat. Patsy was in the passenger seat
12 in the front.
13 LOU SMIT: Do you remember how JonBenet was
14 dressed?
15 JOHN RAMSEY: She had on a little top with a
16 silver star on it and a black pair of pants I
17 don't remember if she had color -- she probably
18 did. I don't remember what color it was.
19 LOU SMIT: How about Patsy? How was she
20 dressed?
21 JOHN RAMSEY: You know I don't remember other
22 than I've looked at pictures of their party and
23 that's my memory. But I couldn't have told you
24 without looking at the pictures.
25 LOU SMIT: And what did the pictures show?
0107
1 JOHN RAMSEY: I think in the pictures she
2 had
3 like a red Christmas sweater on.
4 LOU SMIT: These pictures that you have of
5 the party, are these pictures that the police got
6 or were these extra pictures?
7 JOHN RAMSEY: No, I think they are the ones
8 that the police got. I think they were taken at
9 the White's. I don't think we took any pictures.
10 LOU SMIT: Okay. Did anybody take any pictures
11 that you know that were at the party?
12 JOHN RAMSEY: No. Not that I remember.[/COLOR][/COLOR]13 LOU SMIT: Okay. So you drive to the Walkers,
14 that's the first one. And you were driving, do you
15 remember what the road or weather conditions were
16 like that night?
17 JOHN RAMSEY: I believe there was no weather
18 because I would've have been concerned because I
19 knew we were flying out the next morning. So I
20 know I wasn't aware of any weather. It wasn't
21 snowing. It was dry. I don't think the drive was
22 bad.
23 LOU SMIT: Did you file a flight plan?
24 JOHN RAMSEY: Mike would have done it, yeah.
25 LOU SMIT: did you talk about weather or
0108
1 anything?
2 JOHN RAMSEY: Well I always watch the weather
3 channels for the day before we go anywhere just to
4 get a feel for the flow of things. I don't
5 remember that I was particularly concerned about
6 the weather.
7 LOU SMIT: So where did you pull into then
8 at the Walkers?
9 JOHN RAMSEY: I think I pulled into the
10 driveway. And it seems like that when Patsy, as I
11 recall, she went in and she stayed a little while
12 like five minutes.
13 LOU SMIT: And she went in to do something?
14 JOHN RAMSEY: Just to give the Walkers their
15 gifts.
16 LOU SMIT: Do you know what that gift was?
17 JOHN RAMSEY: I didn't at the time. I think
18 it was perfume or something like that. I remember
19 her saying, but I didn't at the time. I thought it
20 was a food (INAUDIBLE) or something like that. And
21 she came back out and we went to the Stines and
22 she had a gift for them.
23 LOU SMIT: Now did you and Burke and JonBenet
24 stay in the car, do you remember?
25 JOHN RAMSEY: I don't remember.
0109
1 LOU SMIT: You stayed in the car at the Walkers?
2 JOHN RAMSEY: Oh, the Walkers, yeah. I think we
3 all three stayed in the car.
4 LOU SMIT: And then you go to the Stines?
5 JOHN RAMSEY: Right.
6 LOU SMIT: How far a drive is the Stines?
7 JOHN RAMSEY: Two minutes, three minutes.
8 Pulled up out the front of their house. Patsy
9 certainly went in, I don't think I did. I don't
10 remember if Burke did or not. I don't think
11 JonBenet did. But I don't remember for sure.
12 It wouldn't have been unusual for Burke to go in
13 because that was his buddy, Doug.
14 LOU SMIT: Did you have a gift for Doug?
15 JOHN RAMSEY: I don't know. I know Patsy
16 probably, but I don't recall. And then we debated,
17 we had a gift for the Fernies and we debated
18 whether we should go over there. But that's
19 probably 15 minutes away and we wanted to get home
20 and to bed. And we didn't know what time we would
21 get back. So we left the Stines and drove home.
22 LOU SMIT: So your concern then was mainly you
23 didn't want to spend that extra time (INAUDIBLE).
24 Why?
25 JOHN RAMSEY: Well, it was 15 minutes over
0110
1 there and both the kids might want to go in and it
2 would have been half an hour, 45 minutes before we
3 went home. And we had to get up early next
4 morning. They were tired. They had been up all
5 day. So we said, well, we'd do that when we got
6 back.7 LOU SMIT: So when you leave the Steins,
8 Patsy returns or whatever and that's just a short
9 distance to your house, I imagine. What? Just a
10 couple of minutes? And was Burke asleep at this
11 time (INAUDIBLE)?
12 JOHN RAMSEY: JonBenet, when we pulled into
13 the drive, she was sound asleep because I remember
14 getting her out of the car and she was just out.

**Note: The Stines lived 6 blocks away **JonBenet : Inside the Ramsey Murder Investigation Page 317: With his legs pulled up and his chin on his knees, Burke said he played some Nintendo on the afternoon of December 25. When showed a photograph of the pineapple and bowl, he recognized the bowl. That showed it belonged in the house and not brought in by an intruder. He recalled nothing unusual at the Whites' party other than getting a mild shock from the electric deer fence outside. He said his sister fell asleep in the car on the way home but awakened to help carry presents into the house of a friend. When they got home, JonBenet walked in slowly and walked up the spiral stairs to bed, just ahead of Patsy. That was quite a difference from the initial and frequently repeated story that she was carried to bed. I felt that this poor kid was confused and that he really had no idea what had happened that night. He heard the house creaking during the night, he said, and when he awoke, his mother was turning on the lights and in a rush, saying, "Oh my gosh, oh my gosh," then his father turned the lights on and off again. Burke stayed in bed wondering if something had happened. He heard his father trying to calm his mother, then telling her to call the police. Burke told the detective he did not get out of bed that morning and that a policeman looked into his room. He recalled thinking that when the police arrived "we would probably be tied up all day" and that he was disappointed the family would not be going to Charlevoix as planned."

I believe JB and BR were awake when they got home. They had a snack together then played doctor. I personally do not see it being far fetched that Burke could had hit JB with a gold club (driver) and have done the damage he did without intention. I was reading earlier and found a post that stated that BR possible has been diagnosed with Asperger syndrome.

 

[UKGuy]

IN THE MATTER OF:
4
5
6 INTERVIEW WITH JOHN RAMSEY
7
8 _________________________________________________
9
10
11 TRANSCRIPT OF INTERVIEW
12
13 VOLUME 1 OF 4
14 PAGES 1 - 246
15
16
17
18
19 JUNE 23RD, 1998
What time then did you leave the
25 White's party?
0105
1 JOHN RAMSEY: I think we left at about between
2 8:30 and 9:00. Because I remember trying to get
3 Burke into bed at a reasonable hour when we went
4 home.
5 LOU SMIT: How far is the Whites from where
6 you live? I know that there is that little time
7 period in there?
8 JOHN RAMSEY: Well we went from the Whites
9 to the Walkers to drop off a gift.
10 LOU SMIT: Were they labeled in this diagram?
11 JOHN RAMSEY: Yeah. (INAUDIBLE).
12 LOU SMIT: (INAUDIBLE) would the drive have
13 been from the Whites there?
14 JOHN RAMSEY: Oh, six minutes, five minutes.
15 It's not really far.
16 LOU SMIT: Okay.
17 JOHN RAMSEY: Probably even less. I think
18 the kids and I stayed in the car and Patsy went
19 out to the door. It didn't take very long. Ten
20 minutes maybe.
21 LOU SMIT: Now this may not seem important
22 or anything, the dynamics of things back at that
23 time. You leave the Whites, the children are going
24 to get in the car. Is JonBenet walking with
25 anybody? I mean, describe like how they get in and
0106
1 where they go or whatever?
2 JOHN RAMSEY: Well I don't remember
3 specifically getting in. But I know she was, I
4 mean, it's always a challenge to get them rounded
5 up and with all her toys and get them detached
6 from what they're doing and haul them away.
7 Getting thing out to the car and off we went.
8 LOU SMIT: Any particular seat arrangement?
9 JOHN RAMSEY: Well JonBenet sat behind me,
10 as the driver. Burke sat to her on the other side
11 of the backseat. Patsy was in the passenger seat
12 in the front.
13 LOU SMIT: Do you remember how JonBenet was
14 dressed?
15 JOHN RAMSEY: She had on a little top with a
16 silver star on it and a black pair of pants I
17 don't remember if she had color -- she probably
18 did. I don't remember what color it was.
19 LOU SMIT: How about Patsy? How was she
20 dressed?
21 JOHN RAMSEY: You know I don't remember other
22 than I've looked at pictures of their party and
23 that's my memory. But I couldn't have told you
24 without looking at the pictures.
25 LOU SMIT: And what did the pictures show?
0107
1 JOHN RAMSEY: I think in the pictures she
2 had
3 like a red Christmas sweater on.
4 LOU SMIT: These pictures that you have of
5 the party, are these pictures that the police got
6 or were these extra pictures?
7 JOHN RAMSEY: No, I think they are the ones
8 that the police got. I think they were taken at
9 the White's. I don't think we took any pictures.
10 LOU SMIT: Okay. Did anybody take any pictures
11 that you know that were at the party?
12 JOHN RAMSEY: No. Not that I remember.[/COLOR][/COLOR]13 LOU SMIT: Okay. So you drive to the Walkers,
14 that's the first one. And you were driving, do you
15 remember what the road or weather conditions were
16 like that night?
17 JOHN RAMSEY: I believe there was no weather
18 because I would've have been concerned because I
19 knew we were flying out the next morning. So I
20 know I wasn't aware of any weather. It wasn't
21 snowing. It was dry. I don't think the drive was
22 bad.
23 LOU SMIT: Did you file a flight plan?
24 JOHN RAMSEY: Mike would have done it, yeah.
25 LOU SMIT: did you talk about weather or
0108
1 anything?
2 JOHN RAMSEY: Well I always watch the weather
3 channels for the day before we go anywhere just to
4 get a feel for the flow of things. I don't
5 remember that I was particularly concerned about
6 the weather.
7 LOU SMIT: So where did you pull into then
8 at the Walkers?
9 JOHN RAMSEY: I think I pulled into the
10 driveway. And it seems like that when Patsy, as I
11 recall, she went in and she stayed a little while
12 like five minutes.
13 LOU SMIT: And she went in to do something?
14 JOHN RAMSEY: Just to give the Walkers their
15 gifts.
16 LOU SMIT: Do you know what that gift was?
17 JOHN RAMSEY: I didn't at the time. I think
18 it was perfume or something like that. I remember
19 her saying, but I didn't at the time. I thought it
20 was a food (INAUDIBLE) or something like that. And
21 she came back out and we went to the Stines and
22 she had a gift for them.
23 LOU SMIT: Now did you and Burke and JonBenet
24 stay in the car, do you remember?
25 JOHN RAMSEY: I don't remember.
0109
1 LOU SMIT: You stayed in the car at the Walkers?
2 JOHN RAMSEY: Oh, the Walkers, yeah. I think we
3 all three stayed in the car.
4 LOU SMIT: And then you go to the Stines?
5 JOHN RAMSEY: Right.
6 LOU SMIT: How far a drive is the Stines?
7 JOHN RAMSEY: Two minutes, three minutes.
8 Pulled up out the front of their house. Patsy
9 certainly went in, I don't think I did. I don't
10 remember if Burke did or not. I don't think
11 JonBenet did. But I don't remember for sure.
12 It wouldn't have been unusual for Burke to go in
13 because that was his buddy, Doug.
14 LOU SMIT: Did you have a gift for Doug?
15 JOHN RAMSEY: I don't know. I know Patsy
16 probably, but I don't recall. And then we debated,
17 we had a gift for the Fernies and we debated
18 whether we should go over there. But that's
19 probably 15 minutes away and we wanted to get home
20 and to bed. And we didn't know what time we would
21 get back. So we left the Stines and drove home.
22 LOU SMIT: So your concern then was mainly you
23 didn't want to spend that extra time (INAUDIBLE).
24 Why?
25 JOHN RAMSEY: Well, it was 15 minutes over
0110
1 there and both the kids might want to go in and it
2 would have been half an hour, 45 minutes before we
3 went home. And we had to get up early next
4 morning. They were tired. They had been up all
5 day. So we said, well, we'd do that when we got
6 back.7 LOU SMIT: So when you leave the Steins,
8 Patsy returns or whatever and that's just a short
9 distance to your house, I imagine. What? Just a
10 couple of minutes? And was Burke asleep at this
11 time (INAUDIBLE)?
12 JOHN RAMSEY: JonBenet, when we pulled into
13 the drive, she was sound asleep because I remember
14 getting her out of the car and she was just out.

**Note: The Stines lived 6 blocks away **JonBenet : Inside the Ramsey Murder Investigation Page 317: With his legs pulled up and his chin on his knees, Burke said he played some Nintendo on the afternoon of December 25. When showed a photograph of the pineapple and bowl, he recognized the bowl. That showed it belonged in the house and not brought in by an intruder. He recalled nothing unusual at the Whites' party other than getting a mild shock from the electric deer fence outside. He said his sister fell asleep in the car on the way home but awakened to help carry presents into the house of a friend. When they got home, JonBenet walked in slowly and walked up the spiral stairs to bed, just ahead of Patsy. That was quite a difference from the initial and frequently repeated story that she was carried to bed. I felt that this poor kid was confused and that he really had no idea what had happened that night. He heard the house creaking during the night, he said, and when he awoke, his mother was turning on the lights and in a rush, saying, "Oh my gosh, oh my gosh," then his father turned the lights on and off again. Burke stayed in bed wondering if something had happened. He heard his father trying to calm his mother, then telling her to call the police. Burke told the detective he did not get out of bed that morning and that a policeman looked into his room. He recalled thinking that when the police arrived "we would probably be tied up all day" and that he was disappointed the family would not be going to Charlevoix as planned."

I believe JB and BR were awake when they got home. They had a snack together then played doctor. I personally do not see it being far fetched that Burke could had hit JB with a gold club (driver) and have done the damage he did without intention. I was reading earlier and found a post that stated that BR possible has been diagnosed with Asperger syndrome.

Flatlander,

I believe JB and BR were awake when they got home. They had a snack together then played doctor. I personally do not see it being far fetched that Burke could had hit JB with a gold club (driver) and have done the damage he did without intention. I was reading earlier and found a post that stated that BR possible has been diagnosed with Asperger syndrome.

Sure, and this must mean either he knows his parents killed his sister or he did?

How does he live with that. Also in the age of the internet e.g. twitter, tumblr, etc, he cannot hide, his father in his arrogance thought he had it all sorted, to compound his ignorance he has now remarried, no doubt an attempt at a new beginning, the third time, just shows you that the people who never learn from history are condemned to repeat it.

The asperger syndrome is something I have never seen confirmed anywhere.



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[Flatlander]

Flatlander,

Sure, and this must mean either he knows his parents killed his sister or he did?

How does he live with that. Also in the age of the internet e.g. twitter, tumblr, etc, he cannot hide, his father in his arrogance thought he had it all sorted, to compound his ignorance he has now remarried, no doubt an attempt at a new beginning, the third time, just shows you that the people who never learn from history are condemned to repeat it.

The asperger syndrome is something I have never seen confirmed anywhere.



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asperger syndrome -
Sort of like the 911 call and the fact that Burke has seen physiologists probably from about day one. Maybe it is simply a rumor. But what we do know is that the RDI and obviously there will never be an answer. I just keep thinking that we are missing one important detail. Personally I believe that detail may lay with the Stines; and the Whites know about it. MOO
Wondering if JR passes before Fleet, if Fleet still has to keep his mouth shut?

 

[UKGuy]

asperger syndrome -
Sort of like the 911 call and the fact that Burke has seen physiologists probably from about day one. Maybe it is simply a rumor. But what we do know is that the RDI and obviously there will never be an answer. I just keep thinking that we are missing one important detail. Personally I believe that detail may lay with the Stines; and the Whites know about it. MOO
Wondering if JR passes before Fleet, if Fleet still has to keep his mouth shut?

Flatlander,
Could be, no reason to think otherwise. Although if its BDI then Fleet White and the Stines may never be able to go on the record.

This is one way we will eventually find out, since BDI will indirectly be confirmed or rejected by some official procedure.

So if the silence continues after John passes on then, for me, this will firm up the BDI theory!


You have to wonder about the Stines, was it just a money thing, or are the Ramsey links slightly more intimate?