Was Burke involved?

[MyBelle]

That detail, that B was too young to prosecute, takes away the need to "cover" for him.

If he hurt JB any parent would call 911 instead of murdering their injured baby!

BDI makes zero sense, as does exonerating J or P.

I agree. I think it was a stunt that worked beautifully.
John Ramsey wants ALL the Grand Jury records unsealed and I think it is because he is still willing to throw his own son under the suspicion bus. Ramsey aspires to be a politician.

 

[SapphireSteel]

I agree. I think it was a stunt that worked beautifully.
John Ramsey wants ALL the Grand Jury records unsealed and I think it is because he is still willing to throw his own son under the suspicion bus. Ramsey aspires to be a politician.

Only in America....!

The fact that he still posseses enough power and influence makes me sick.

 

[MyBelle]

Only in America....!

The fact that he still posseses enough power and influence makes me sick.

He certainly played a sick game while hiding behind religion, imo.

 

[Chewy]

Could you tell me why "how many fingerprints," "where on the bowl," and "which fingers" were used is relevant? Please and thank you.

Just about anything one wants to know about this case can be found at www.acandyrose.com or on Forums For Justice and what they don't have a web copy of will likely be referenced so that one can personally obtain the information (e.g. buying books on Amazon; ordering files from the court, and so on). Then there's always Google.

One example of objectivity is a Grand Jury who evaluates evidence known only in that courtroom, both for and against, yet who decide a True Bill is needed so that John and Patsy Ramsey can be indicted. The Grand Jury found enough evidence to take the case to trial, charging Mr. and Mrs. Ramsey.

[modsnip]

Excerpts from National Enquirer book, "JonBenet, The Police Files" by Don Gentile and David Wright

1997 April 30 - Taped Interrogation interview of Patsy Ramsey by Steve Thomas and Tom Trujillo in Colorado

[modsnip]. I guess I'm just shocked at how little information is actually out there. It's like someone who's only seen the inside of a prison trying to explain a foreign country to someone





I've already explained how details change the interpretation of evidence.

Take an accusation of rape, where a pubic hair is found changes everything

 

[Tawny]

My understanding is that acandyrose is an acceptable source since most MSM and other sources have expired.

 

[Chewy]

It could be very important, for example if they were on the bottom like he was holding it for her or just glancing off it as if he pushed it out of the way, or multiple prints showing he shared it with her, only outside or inside too. How can you say it's not important?

Timing has nothing to do with it.

Well, I wouldn't entirely agree with that. They had been washed in a dishwasher and thus cleaned off. If partial prints were found on the edge that's one thing but if prints indicate he was actually holding the bowl, it tells a different story.

I explained it here.

 

[SapphireSteel]

Prints on a bowl = prints on a bowl.

Nothing more.

We dont know how/when/why they got there.

Seriously, is this the "evidence" that "implicates" Burke!???

Really?!

 

[MyBelle]

Prints on a bowl = prints on a bowl.

Nothing more.

We dont know how/when/why they got there.

Seriously, is this the "evidence" that "implicates" Burke!???

Really?!

The only reason it implicates Burke is because his parents were evasive. If they had been truthful, it wouldn't implicate Burke. It was a very clever way to implicate Burke.

 

[Venom]

That detail, that B was too young to prosecute, takes away the need to "cover" for him.

If he hurt JB any parent would call 911 instead of murdering their injured baby!

BDI makes zero sense, as does exonerating J or P.

BBM- There is no way of knowing if the R's knew that before they staged.

 

[SapphireSteel]

BBM- There is no way of knowing if the R's knew that before they staged.

Youre kidding right?

The Ramseys had enough money, influence, and fancy lawyers to ensure any"punishment" would be negligible and revolve around psychiatrists not jailers.

Think Edmund Kemper...he came from nothing, killed his grandparent (iirc) and spent a few years in a nice cushy psych ward where he learnt how to appear normal. He was then pronounced "cured" and sent home to murder his mother and a series of innocent women.

The same would have happened to Burke.

Heck they couldve flown him to another country if needed, money was no object.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Years ago when I was about 8 I was bickering with my sister while she was standing over me and she hauled off and slammed me over the head with a broom handle. I could easily see something like that going down but I have a hard time explainng Burke being able to keep that secret under so much scrutiny.

When I was 10, I got very angry at a boy I was friends with and threw a quart of canned Hawaiian Punch at him. Hit him in the head, he ended up getting 8 stitches. I lied and said he banged it on the picnic table. He didn't contradict me. We're still friends, believe it or not and he never told his parents what really happened.

 

[Linda7NJ]

He certainly played a sick game while hiding behind religion, imo.

Myself, Being an atheist, their religion never factored into what I think about the Ramsey's. I wouldn't trust any of them as far as I could throw em.

"Deeply religious" is NEVER a word I would use to describe Patsy Ramsey or any other Ramsey.

Twist and pervert and hide behind their religion ....absolutely

 

[Linda7NJ]

That detail, that B was too young to prosecute, takes away the need to "cover" for him.

If he hurt JB any parent would call 911 instead of murdering their injured baby!

BDI makes zero sense, as does exonerating J or P.

Patsy the narcissist that needs to present herself and her family as perfect....and the stigma if the truth ever got out? Please. She preferred the umbrella of suspicion to the truth. IMO

 

[lawstudent]

Youre kidding right?

The Ramseys had enough money, influence, and fancy lawyers to ensure any"punishment" would be negligible and revolve around psychiatrists not jailers.

Think Edmund Kemper...he came from nothing, killed his grandparent (iirc) and spent a few years in a nice cushy psych ward where he learnt how to appear normal. He was then pronounced "cured" and sent home to murder his mother and a series of innocent women.

The same would have happened to Burke.

Heck they couldve flown him to another country if needed, money was no object.

I strongly disagree - I don't think most people know much about the law even when they are rich and well-educated. They may know more about certain types of law, but most of them leave the nuances to the attorneys. Many politicians I meet have no grasp of the law and they deal with it every day. Even a lot of lawyers don't know much about criminal prosecution of children - it comes up so rarely - someone specializing in the finance industry may have no idea about it. Plus it differs by state and other factors - a lot of children were executed in the early 1900s, particularly minority children. And even without prosecution, the child's life is ruined - it's not easy to hide that sort of thing anymore. It's certainly not as easy to get them released from mental institutions as it used to be, thanks to some high profile cases. Many wealthy people are still quite ignorant. They weren't the Kennedys - their influence didn't extend that far. And we've seen that the Kennedys' luck with covering things up eventually ran out to a large extent.

 

[Linda7NJ]

That detail, that B was too young to prosecute, takes away the need to "cover" for him.

If he hurt JB any parent would call 911 instead of murdering their injured baby!

BDI makes zero sense, as does exonerating J or P.

With all due respect you haven't read the book. What the heck would Patsy do with a brain damaged JonBenet? IMO Patsy would rather see her dead than damaged in some way. IMO I've often considered that perhaps Patsy caught them ...yet again, engaging in inappropriate behavior and being stressed out by the last minute packing, snacking, getting kids to bed while John was of no help, simply went to bed..... it was the straw that broke the camels back and she swung in a momentary fit of rage. Patsy would have heard her skull crack and witnessed the immediate result.

Do you believe an intruder killed JonBenet?

 

[Venom]

Here goes....

There are BR's fingerprints on a bowl and glass that also has JB's and PR's on. Presuming that the bowls were already washed before used for the pineapple, the prints should be fresh.
Also BR's tdna is found on JB's nightgown which was stuck to the blanket used to wrap her in. In an interview when presented with the nightgown being on the blanket, JR says something to the effect of "that wasn't supposed to be there." Also LHP stated that the blanket was put in the dryer and PR would have known it was there.
In JB's room, pj pants with feces were found, and a box of candy smeared with feces. We have an interview with PR talking about feces being smeared around the basement bathroom.
LHP has said she caught BR and JB under the covers.
BR told a psychologist and a friends mom that he knew what happened to his sister- someone took her and she was hit on the head.
BR showed a lack of emotion about JB's death, almost indifferent about it.
He was awake during the 911 call, something that for years the adult R's lied about....why?
The round marks on JB which could have come from train track.
JR not letting police ask BR any questions that morning, he said that BR "knows nothing"
The fact that anyone under the age of 10 cannot be charged or named as a suspect in CO. And the GJ indictments against the parents for helping the killer and permitting JB to be placed in a dangerous situation that led to her death.

Now remember, it's not one thing but the totality of everything that makes for a BR did it possibility.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I strongly disagree - I don't think most people know much about the law even when they are rich and well-educated. They may know more about certain types of law, but most of them leave the nuances to the attorneys. Many politicians I meet have no grasp of the law and they deal with it every day. Even a lot of lawyers don't know much about criminal prosecution of children - it comes up so rarely - someone specializing in the finance industry may have no idea about it. Plus it differs by state and other factors - a lot of children were executed in the early 1900s, particularly minority children. And even without prosecution, the child's life is ruined - it's not easy to hide that sort of thing anymore. It's certainly not as easy to get them released from mental institutions as it used to be, thanks to some high profile cases. Many wealthy people are still quite ignorant. They weren't the Kennedys' - their influence didn't extend that far. And we've seen that the Kennedys luck with covering things up eventually ran out to a large extent.

Patsy was all about outward appearances. Appearing perfect. Not being perfect.
Dress up JonBenet up for a party...but the child hadn't been bathed in days....
What's important to Patsy is what others see and perceive....decorate for Christmas invite others to walk through the pretty areas...meanwhile there is a bathroom & hallway downstairs with feces smeared on it that she's well aware of...but doesn't bother to clean.
I don't believe they even owned a hamper...iirc according to their housekeeper.

 

[DeeDee249]

It could be very important, for example if they were on the bottom like he was holding it for her or just glancing off it as if he pushed it out of the way, or multiple prints showing he shared it with her, only outside or inside too. How can you say it's not important?

Timing has nothing to do with it.

I never said it wasn't important. I said it wasn't provable that they were together when she ate it by the prints alone.

 

[MyBelle]

Myself, Being an atheist, their religion never factored into what I think about the Ramsey's. I wouldn't trust any of them as far as I could throw em.

"Deeply religious" is NEVER a word I would use to describe Patsy Ramsey or any other Ramsey.

Twist and pervert and hide behind their religion ....absolutely

The fact that Smit immediately prayed with them when he first met them is an indication they were willing to do anything necessary to influence perception. And it worked!

 

[SapphireSteel]

No i think John molested her and Patsy killed her.

Burke is excluded from my theory, entirely.

If B had been party to ANY of it, his voice would not have been heard on the 911 call.

His parents would have already prepped him. He clearly had no idea what they were up to... MOO!!!

Eta- including B just stretches credibility - its hard enough to accept 2 adults conniving and staging...too many cooks spil the broth - B is just one cook too many imo.