Was Burke involved?

[MyBelle]

With all due respect you haven't read the book. What the heck would Patsy do with a brain damaged JonBenet? IMO Patsy would rather see her dead than damaged in some way. IMO I've often considered that perhaps Patsy caught them ...yet again, engaging in inappropriate behavior and being stressed out by the last minute packing, snacking, getting kids to bed while John was of no help, simply went to bed..... it was the straw that broke the camels back and she swung in a momentary fit of rage. Patsy would have heard her skull crack and witnessed the immediate result.

Do you believe an intruder killed JonBenet?

BBM. Your theory may very be what happened, imo.

 

[SapphireSteel]

BBM. Your theory may very be what happened, imo.

That theory means that PR took the time to rape her dying daughter with a paintbrush.

Seriously? To "cover up" for Burke?

Would that not be offensive to her public persona?

 

[MyBelle]

No i think John molested her and Patsy killed her.

Burke is excluded from my theory, entirely.

If B had been party to ANY of it, his voice would not have been heard on the 911 call.

His parents would have already prepped him. He clearly had no idea what they were up to... MOO!!!

Eta- including B just stretches credibility - its hard enough to accept 2 adults conniving and staging...too many cooks spil the broth - B is just one cook too many imo.

I think Burke's only crime was being less than perfect. I don't know how any kid could be "normal" growing up in that kind of dysfunctional mess.

 

[MyBelle]

That theory means that PR took the time to rape her dying daughter with a paintbrush.

Seriously? To "cover up" for Burke?

Would that not be offensive to her public persona?

No, I think she flew into a rage and lost total control. The coverup was to implicate anybody but herself.

 

[Mama2JML]

Patsy was all about outward appearances. Appearing perfect. Not being perfect.
Dress up JonBenet up for a party...but the child hadn't been bathed in days....

She didn't take a bath Christmas Day.

What's important to Patsy is what others see and perceive....decorate for Christmas invite others to walk through the pretty areas...meanwhile there is a bathroom & hallway downstairs with feces smeared on it that she's well aware of...but doesn't bother to clean.

I don't recall reading of this. Do you have a source to share?

I don't believe they even owned a hamper...iirc according to their housekeeper.

You believe this may be true, but you don't know for sure? You know there was a laundry chute, right?

 

[SapphireSteel]

I think Burke's only crime was being less than perfect. I don't know how any kid could be "normal" growing up in that kind of dysfunctional mess.

Yes no one can use Burke's demeanor as "guilt" when he was clearly traumatised.

Maybe not the hysterical roll on the floor type trauma, but the low grade personality erosion which comes from growing up in dysfunction.

Boys especially can shut down emotionally...Lord knows, he had a good role model for emotional detachment - his father.

 

[dodie20]

I agree it is not the crime of a child. Kolar did the same thing as Smit and that was to factor in their religion as though it was some kind of proof of innocence for the parents. I think the Ramseys really did intentionally implicate Burke. I'm shocked anybody fell for it but that could be the reason DA Lacy cleared him by name in 2008 and why DA Hunter refused to sign the true bill.

Parents pointing to their own child as the perp is the kind of stunt a defense attorney would pull knowing full well the child was too young to prosecute.

JMO

I've always thought this to be the case.

 

[Linda7NJ]

"Kolar had access to 60,000 pages of evidence, including interviews, forensic reports, grand-jury records, crime-scene photos and video. He says he’s now sharing everything but the grand-jury information (which he swore an oath to keep secret) because he “wants the truth out there.”


http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/07/18/new-clues-in-jonbenet-ramsey-murder.html

Interestingly, as came to light through the persistence of the New York Post in its slow capitulation to a Ramsey lawsuit over Burke's possible involvement in the death of JonBenet, lawyers for the Ramseys and the District Attorney's office had evidence regarding Burke that neither side wanted the press to examine. Burke was a few weeks shy of being ten years old at the time of his sister's death, and, under Colorado law, he could not be charged with the crime of murder at so tender an age. One may speculate that the grand jury was prevented from issuing a report because only one of the three persons in the Ramsey household on December 26, 1996, Burke, was called to testify. The information provided by police interviews with virtually every other potential witness was provided to the defense lawyers and leaked to the press. Burke's was not.

http://www.tommillerlaw.com/Chapter...ution-of-Justice-by-Thomas-C-Doc-Miller.shtml

 

[MyBelle]

Yes no one can use Burke's demeanor as "guilt" when he was clearly traumatised.

Maybe not the hysterical roll on the floor type trauma, but the low grade personality erosion which comes from growing up in dysfunction.

Boys especially can shut down emotionally...Lord knows, he had a good role model for emotional detachment - his father.

It all fits the profile of a household being controlled by a narcissistic mother with a personality disorder. The husband does nothing to intervene. Image is everything and children expected to be perfect.

 

[Linda7NJ]

No i think John molested her and Patsy killed her.

Burke is excluded from my theory, entirely.

If B had been party to ANY of it, his voice would not have been heard on the 911 call.

His parents would have already prepped him. He clearly had no idea what they were up to... MOO!!!

Eta- including B just stretches credibility - its hard enough to accept 2 adults conniving and staging...too many cooks spil the broth - B is just one cook too many imo.

Diane Hollis was an Executive Secretary for John Ramsey at his company, Access Graphics Inc. Miss Hollis claimed that she was told that JonBenét was killed by accident when Patsy swung an object at John Ramsey when she caught him molesting JonBenét. Diane Hollis stuck firm to her story and a newspaper hired Gene Parker to give her a polygraph test. Hollis had no problem passing the test. Here are comments about that test from the same radio program that was quoted above:

http://gemart.8m.com/ramsey/polygraph/

 

[Linda7NJ]

BBM. Your theory may very be what happened, imo.

It's only one of like 45 of my theories

 

[Linda7NJ]

That theory means that PR took the time to rape her dying daughter with a paintbrush.



Seriously? To "cover up" for Burke?



Would that not be offensive to her public persona?

To point away from all of them...to pin it on an invisible non existent intruder that can walk through walls like a ghost.

 

[Linda7NJ]

That theory means that PR took the time to rape her dying daughter with a paintbrush.



Seriously? To "cover up" for Burke?



Would that not be offensive to her public persona?

Patsy gets to play the victim.

 

[Venom]

Diane Hollis was an Executive Secretary for John Ramsey at his company, Access Graphics Inc. Miss Hollis claimed that she was told that JonBenét was killed by accident when Patsy swung an object at John Ramsey when she caught him molesting JonBenét. Diane Hollis stuck firm to her story and a newspaper hired Gene Parker to give her a polygraph test. Hollis had no problem passing the test. Here are comments about that test from the same radio program that was quoted above:

http://gemart.8m.com/ramsey/polygraph/

This is another theory of mine.

 

[Linda7NJ]

She didn't take a bath Christmas Day.

I don't recall reading of this. Do you have a source to share?

You believe this may be true, but you don't know for sure? You know there was a laundry chute, right?

I've shared my sources more times than I care to count. Scroll up.


You think the intruder left a wet balled up red top in the sink and clothes scattered all over ? I believe the housekeeper.

 

[lawstudent]

Diane Hollis was an Executive Secretary for John Ramsey at his company, Access Graphics Inc. Miss Hollis claimed that she was told that JonBenét was killed by accident when Patsy swung an object at John Ramsey when she caught him molesting JonBenét. Diane Hollis stuck firm to her story and a newspaper hired Gene Parker to give her a polygraph test. Hollis had no problem passing the test. Here are comments about that test from the same radio program that was quoted above:

http://gemart.8m.com/ramsey/polygraph/

A scenario like this just seems so unlikely to me - how often does someone try to hit someone that hard with an object and accidentally whack someone else? It isn't like a poorly aimed gunshot in a scuffle. While not impossible, it just seems like grasping at straws. How many cases have involved someone accidentally killing their child while trying to kill someone abusive? You go get a heavy object before removing your child from the molestation scenario? I get it's not a well-thought out move, but it just seems like such a weird thing to jump to.

 

[Linda7NJ]

She didn't take a bath Christmas Day.

I don't recall reading of this. Do you have a source to share?

You believe this may be true, but you don't know for sure? You know there was a laundry chute, right?

Do you have a link for when she last bathed?

Iirc Patsy during a transcribed interview couldn't remember...a couples of days ago I believe was her reply...followed by another...I can't remember.


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[Linda7NJ]

This is another theory of mine.

Yep, I have no shortage of theories!


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[MyBelle]

"Kolar had access to 60,000 pages of evidence, including interviews, forensic reports, grand-jury records, crime-scene photos and video. He says he’s now sharing everything but the grand-jury information (which he swore an oath to keep secret) because he “wants the truth out there.”


http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/07/18/new-clues-in-jonbenet-ramsey-murder.html

Interestingly, as came to light through the persistence of the New York Post in its slow capitulation to a Ramsey lawsuit over Burke's possible involvement in the death of JonBenet, lawyers for the Ramseys and the District Attorney's office had evidence regarding Burke that neither side wanted the press to examine. Burke was a few weeks shy of being ten years old at the time of his sister's death, and, under Colorado law, he could not be charged with the crime of murder at so tender an age. One may speculate that the grand jury was prevented from issuing a report because only one of the three persons in the Ramsey household on December 26, 1996, Burke, was called to testify. The information provided by police interviews with virtually every other potential witness was provided to the defense lawyers and leaked to the press. Burke's was not.

http://www.tommillerlaw.com/Chapter...ution-of-Justice-by-Thomas-C-Doc-Miller.shtml

I have no doubt whatsoever that the tip about "Burke's possible involvement" was given to the tabloid by Team Ramsey. They threw the kid under the bus and then filed defamation lawsuits.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I have no doubt whatsoever that the tip about "Burke's possible involvement" was given to the tabloid by Team Ramsey. They threw the kid under the bus and then filed defamation lawsuits.

Iirc it was printed in the Globe and the info was purposely leaked by Hunter through Wolf

If you can't read it let me know, I'll make it bigger.

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