Was Burke involved?

[SapphireSteel]

It says they were made on a Sunday School notepad. Sunday School teachers aren't above selling things to the tabloids. The Ramseys themselves may have given it to the tabloid. I think they threw their son under the bus from the get go to take the heat off themselves. It worked.

So theres zero proof B even drew them in the first place?

:banghead:

 

[MyBelle]

So theres zero proof B even drew them in the first place?

:banghead:

exactly. There is no way to prove BR made the drawings and they sure aren't evidence of murder.

 

[otg]

Not my cup of tea... but if anyone else might be interested, I'm just passing it on. (I couldn't really find an appropriate thread, and I didn't want to start a new one.)

JonBenet's Murderer Identified -- News Conference Monday

News Conference: Our 1st Speaker Shall Identify JonBenet's Murderer. With Documentation.

Contact: Doug Millar, CEO, Unite For Justice, 707-396-8215, [email protected]

BOULDER. Colo., March 29, 2014 /Christian Newswire/ -- Speakers to address JonBenet issues, help protect children and demand action at news conference in Boulder, Colorado.
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More info on topics covered at the conference in this link:
http://www.earnedmedia.org/wiley0329.htm

 

[Tawny]

I take offense to words being put in my mouth when I've already explained numerous times that I do not think the child was capable of "raping and murdering". I have explained numerous times the events I believe may have led to the tragedy. I take offense to being asked questions, responding with silly things like psychological studies regarding sibling abuse, only to have those links and studies ignored and dismissed. It becomes tiresome.

What part of "it was likely an accident stemming from ongoing experimentation/curiosity that the parents then covered up" is hard to wrap one's mind around?

Spending days upon days attempting to explain the rationale is far from "disappearing in a puff of smoke."

No disrespect intended. I am simply explaining why I am absolutely exhausted with this conversation. BDI can't have their own reasonable discussion right now, that much is now clear.

 

[Tawny]

Not my cup of tea... but if anyone else might be interested, I'm just passing it on. (I couldn't really find an appropriate thread, and I didn't want to start a new one.)

JonBenet's Murderer Identified -- News Conference Monday

News Conference: Our 1st Speaker Shall Identify JonBenet's Murderer. With Documentation.

Contact: Doug Millar, CEO, Unite For Justice, 707-396-8215, [email protected]

BOULDER. Colo., March 29, 2014 /Christian Newswire/ -- Speakers to address JonBenet issues, help protect children and demand action at news conference in Boulder, Colorado.
​

More info on topics covered at the conference in this link:
http://www.earnedmedia.org/wiley0329.htm

WHOA Is that for really real? Do you think it's going to be yet another individual's theory or do you think it's something substantial? ETA: I just read the link. Heh.

also: Clear out your inbox :floorlaugh:

 

[Linda7NJ]

But we're not discussing "sibling abuse"!



We are discussing torture, rape, and murder!



I can name many small girls who were groomed by their mothers to be raped by their fathers.



Nowdays we also see mothers grooming their kids for other men, online and off.



It's a disgustingly common occurrence.



What is NOT common, in fact I believe is without precedent, is a 9 year old carrying off The Crime Of The Century, somehow enticing his own parents to cover for him and finish the job, then being able to resist and evade a battery of child psychs, forensic examinors, hard bitten detectives, judges, juries AND a good chunk of the gen public, for decades, all without skipping a beat in his education or apparent development into a well balanced member of society.



Do you have ANY examples of another such child?



Child murderers almost always tell someone. They are children, not sophisticated criminals.

Yes. There are plenty of documented instances. Kolar's book highlights the stats as well as directs to other sources and books on the topic.

You really should read the book

Actually it could very well have been in a momentary fit of rage. A whack and then sheer panic trying to hide it.

Whoever hit her, heard her skull crack. She dropped like a sack of cement. Unconscious.


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[Linda7NJ]

Honestly how do we even know B drew those pictures?

To the best of my knowledge...and my opinion. Those drawing were obtained by the reporter and independently interpreted.

There are drawings he did with the forensic interviewer ....these are not those. IMO


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[Linda7NJ]

You would have to ask someone who believes Burke did EVERYTHING that happened to JBR. I am not one of those people. I'm done with this discussion.

I don't believe he did everything. I've considered he could have done most of it.
I think I've pretty much considered every possible scenario we have ever discussed here.
I wouldn't dismiss or toss out any of them.


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[Linda7NJ]

I find BDI to be so bizarre that I do struggle to understand hence my querelous and skeptical postings.



I'm not aiming to annoy, rather gain insight to the rationale of BDI.



Every single scenario seems to argue against itself if broken down logically. To my mind anyway.



Having a BDI type person take offence and vanish in a puff of smoke instead of taking the opportunity to educate me, is the direct opposite of what this forum is about.



:truce:

I'm only sharing this because I like you and I'm weary of all the bickering.

My own son, as a few know here, was sexually assaulted by an 11, almost 12 year old. The 11 year kid resided with me for a grand total of 7 months. Six of those months were preadoption, one month after adoption.
The 11 year kid presented like a smart, kind, compassionate and mannerly child. Teachers remarked how wonderful he was and what a joy he was to have in the class at parent teacher conferences. He came with a glowing "profile" by from the private agency as well as DHS.

My education as well as my profession for 15 years prior had been geared toward abused children.

Fast forward... And I'm going to skip all the details. That child would set his watch alarm in the middle of the night, sneak into my sons room, he would hold a pillow over his face, he would punch him, he would threaten to kill him, chop me up and bury me in the bank yard first if he ever told. Then he'd set my son on fire.

My son, never said a word. One day I discovered pry marks on the downstairs bathroom door. After questioning I discovered while I was in the shower, he broke into the bathroom ... I heard from the 11 year old he thought about sexually assaulting him but stopped himself. I drop him off at a crisis center at the hospital.

The rest if the information and details of horrific acts were disclosed to me by my son...Like he sexually assaulted my son, at knife point. and even more details and acts when the 11 year old bargained for blankets and pillows from home in exchange for a full confession to police.

So yeah... I've seen evil.

Oh and through the discovery process, I learned he was caught for the first time sexually assaulting, with a weapon, at the age of 7!!! SEVEN! You know how DHS responded? They simply moved him from foster home to foster home never disclosing the abuse that was so well documented in his file. Oh and they never shared those many moves with me either.
I disrupted the adoption.






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[midwest mama]

Not my cup of tea... but if anyone else might be interested, I'm just passing it on. (I couldn't really find an appropriate thread, and I didn't want to start a new one.)

JonBenet's Murderer Identified -- News Conference Monday

News Conference: Our 1st Speaker Shall Identify JonBenet's Murderer. With Documentation.

Contact: Doug Millar, CEO, Unite For Justice, 707-396-8215, [email protected]

BOULDER. Colo., March 29, 2014 /Christian Newswire/ -- Speakers to address JonBenet issues, help protect children and demand action at news conference in Boulder, Colorado.
​

More info on topics covered at the conference in this link:
http://www.earnedmedia.org/wiley0329.htm

Wow, thanks for this info! Followed some of the links and discovered there will be a live web broadcast of the Monday meeting, link:

http://www.crusaderadio.com/christianradioonline-mon.html

Will be interesting to see the Boulder City Council's reaction to the attendance on Apr 1. Wonder if Brennan knows about this? Maybe an email to him?

 

[Linda7NJ]

Wow, thanks for this info! Followed some of the links and discovered there will be a live web broadcast of the Monday meet



http://www.crusaderadio.com/christianradioonline-mon.html



Will be interesting to see the Boulder City Council's reaction to the attendance on Apr 1. Wonder if Brennan knows about this? Maybe an email to him?

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[Tawny]

Thank you for sharing your story, Linda7NJ, I am SO sorry you and your son had to experience that

 

[Linda7NJ]

Thank you for sharing your story, Linda7NJ, I am SO sorry you and your son had to experience that

Thank you.




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[dodie20]

Iirc it was printed in the Globe and the info was purposely leaked by Hunter through Wolf

If you can't read it let me know, I'll make it bigger.

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I showed my 11 year old daughter these pictures, minus all the background and writing, just to see what she thought they were, and what she said was kind of interesting. In the 1st picture, she saw a person standing at the top of a landing wanting down, but not being able to go any further because there are no stairs so he has to catch himself from falling, so he won't get hurt. In the 2nd, she saw someone strangling, but the face was left blank because the drawer didn't want to give out too many details. In the 3rd, she saw someone going from questioning something, to surprise at the answer, to putting on a forced smile. The last one bugged her. She thought it looked like somebody little trying to get away from somebody big-by kicking, while somebody else's eyes watched. She thought it might be on a bed. Weird thing, my 25 year old daughter looked at the pictures and saw a statue, a frog, punctuation, and a kite, although she thought they were kind of disturbing for a reason she couldn't quite put her finger on. moo

 

[Linda7NJ]

I showed my 11 year old daughter these pictures, minus all the background and writing, just to see what she thought the were, and what she said was kind of interesting. In the 1st picture, she saw a person standing at the top of a landing wanting down, but not being able to because there are no stairs so he has to catch himself from falling, so he won't get hurt. In the 2nd, she saw someone strangling, but the face was left blank because the drawer didn't want to give out too many details. In the 3rd, she saw someone going from questioning something, to surprise at the answer, to putting on a forced smile. The last one bugged her. She thought it looked like somebody little trying to get away from somebody big-by kicking, while somebody else's eyes watched. She thought it might be on a bed. Weird thing, my 25 year old daughter looked at the pictures and saw a statue, a frog, punctuation, and a kite, although she thought they were kind of disturbing for a reason she couldn't quite put her finger on. moo

1st picture looks like a 3D cross to me...(moving like a comet)

2nd picture is definitely a Sleestack

3rd picture is questioning smiley face

4th looks like an ant or praying mantis with a big head.

And they all look like a 4 year old drew them.

All IMO
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[dodie20]

1st picture looks like a 3D cross to me...(moving like a comet)

2nd picture is definitely a Sleestack

3rd picture is questioning smiley face

4th looks like an ant or praying mantis with a big head.

And they all look like a 4 year old drew them.

All IMO
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exactly! we all see something different and like somebody said earlier, we don't know for sure who even drew them. I think it was presumptuous of the person who interpreted the pictures to claim the 2nd drawing was of BR himself, ready to strangle. (I mean really???), and the 2nd of someone screaming, 'help me', and the last one of JB's frightened eyes. And even after studying the last one pretty closely, I didn't see the genitalia. How could they possibly interpret enough to name names? Also, if he did draw them in church, that would explain the cross, for instance. Maybe he was just doodling pictures he saw in a church book. moo

 

[Linda7NJ]

exactly! we all see something different and like somebody said earlier, we don't know for sure who even drew them. I think it was presumptuous of the person who interpreted the pictures to claim the 2nd drawing was of BR himself, ready to strangle. (I mean really???), and the 2nd of someone screaming, 'help me', and the last one of JB's frightened eyes. And even after studying the last one pretty closely, I didn't see the genitalia. How could they possibly interpret enough to name names? Also, if he did draw them in church, that would explain the cross, for instance. Maybe he was just doodling pictures he saw in a church book. moo

I find it hard to believe they were done when he was nine. Or anytime after the death of his sister. It looks like the work of a much younger child.


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[MyBelle]

I'm only sharing this because I like you and I'm weary of all the bickering.

My own son, as a few know here, was sexually assaulted by an 11, almost 12 year old. The 11 year kid resided with me for a grand total of 7 months. Six of those months were preadoption, one month after adoption.
The 11 year kid presented like a smart, kind, compassionate and mannerly child. Teachers remarked how wonderful he was and what a joy he was to have in the class at parent teacher conferences. He came with a glowing "profile" by from the private agency as well as DHS.

My education as well as my profession for 15 years prior had been geared toward abused children.

Fast forward... And I'm going to skip all the details. That child would set his watch alarm in the middle of the night, sneak into my sons room, he would hold a pillow over his face, he would punch him, he would threaten to kill him, chop me up and bury me in the bank yard first if he ever told. Then he'd set my son on fire.

My son, never said a word. One day I discovered pry marks on the downstairs bathroom door. After questioning I discovered while I was in the shower, he broke into the bathroom ... I heard from the 11 year old he thought about sexually assaulting him but stopped himself. I drop him off at a crisis center at the hospital.

The rest if the information and details of horrific acts were disclosed to me by my son...Like he sexually assaulted my son, at knife point. and even more details and acts when the 11 year old bargained for blankets and pillows from home in exchange for a full confession to police.

So yeah... I've seen evil.

Oh and through the discovery process, I learned he was caught for the first time sexually assaulting, with a weapon, at the age of 7!!! SEVEN! You know how DHS responded? They simply moved him from foster home to foster home never disclosing the abuse that was so well documented in his file. Oh and they never shared those many moves with me either.
I disrupted the adoption.






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I'm so sorry your child had to endure all of it. Something is seriously wrong for DHS to be more interested in protecting the privacy of the abuser rather than to provide information to prevent another child from being victimized. Thanks for sharing that painful memory.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I'm so sorry your child had to endure all of it. Something is seriously wrong for DHS to be more interested in protecting the privacy of the abuser rather than to provide information to prevent another child from being victimized. Thanks for sharing that painful memory.

Thank you.

It had nothing to do with privacy. Legally they had the obligation of full disclosure. They do the exact same thing the Catholic Church did. They're still doing it.

Oh it wasn't just DHS. It was the private agency I fostered for, the agency that was paid to read his file and write the profile, the agency that was paid to do the home study & handle adoption and read his file. The agency that had him in one of their foster homes prior to being transferred to the one I fostered for. They buried files and hid information. They lied.

I sued the balls off them all.

I adopted & fostered through one state and resided in another. I couldn't do both in the same state due to a professional conflict of interest.

After it happened. My home state's DYFS was a whole other nightmare!






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[Chewy]

I'm sorry but I think the interpretations of these drawings are such a stretch. It looks like a kid doodling. Nothing more. IMO

Unless Burke stated they were the things Dr. Glass said they were, they represent the mind of the psychiatrist, not Burke. That's some sicko projection. And the Globe is a tabloid. :facepalm: