Was Burke involved?

[MCDRAW]

If he was responsible, don't you think he should have continued with this behavior with others? I have never heard a complaint elsewhere about Burke. This is not the type of behavior people do once. They can't stop. If as a child, he was able to commit such a horrible crime, he wouldn't stop. Just my opinion.

 

[2 percent]

Oh I get debate...but some research comes in handy when trying to dismiss other peoples ideas.

People aren't even reading the sources they demand, and I've often found long posts with quotes, that have no source, or the source only represents part of what they're attributing the quote to.

As for my own theory, I don't have all the answers. But I most certainly have posted why I believe the Rs are suspect, and why BR should have never been given a free pass. And yes, I've listed the "evidence" that we have in this case, but that's discounted too. Its all rationalized away by people who want to rationalize it away.


I'm not trying to argue with you b/c I know you're not that type of poster I'm just replying to your post

I understand what you mean about research but this is not the easiest site to do that. Don't freak...I'm not blaming the admins or anyone else involved in the setup of this site!!

The problem is some of these threads are too long and it literally feels like you are finding a needle in a haystack just to find that one nugget you are being told to find. When you're in the heat of debate and the ideas and theories are firing, having to stop and search through pages and pages for just one little thing is incredibly frustrating and, in my case, inhibits creativity.

But that's the nature of forums like this~people don't stay on topic and there is very little actual structure when it comes to subjects....and I am in no way saying I want that to change! I'm not a huge fan of overly structured posting rules and micro-managing admins in sites like this where unsolved crimes are debate. pssst...don't get me started on a really awful, micromanaged site I won't name grrrr

Anyway, I think a few easy things could help what I feel is at least a minor problem - 1) utilize the Member's Theories thread and, 2) those that have facts with links, etc could put them in the About Me portion of their Profile Page. Just a thought. Sorry Admins....not trying to step on your toes, this is JMO

 

[Frigga]

Burke Ramsey was never interogated, as some here suggest. He was interviewed.

The Ramseys went to great lengths in the critical first days of the investigation to distance Burke from investigators.

Why? If, as Patsy Ramsey says in the quote above, she would do anything for her children- why wouldn't that include helping the police to undertsnd what Burke knew or didn't know about what happened on the night of the murder.

Even more importantly, what he may have known of events leading up to her murder. After all, this was according to the Ramsey's "an inside job". They began implicating LHP immediately- Santa Bill etc. I would want the police to know exactly what my son may have seen, heard or known in retrospect- leading up to his sisters murder.

Officer French had attempted to speak to Burke the morning of the ransom note as he was leaving the house with Fleet White but John Ramsey intervened and told him that Burke had been asleep. Why wouldn't he want the investigators to ask Burke important questions about events leading up to the murder- let alone the events of the night everything went down?

The family repeatedly stated that they NEVER WOKE BURKE UP TO ASK HIM anything about his sister's disappearance.

I guess Patsy really didn't give a s**t about other peoples children if there was a child murderer/pedophile on the loose as she claimed:

"I don't know who it is. I don't know if it's a he or a she. But if I were a resident of Boulder, I would tell my friends to keep -- keep your babies close to you, there's someone out there."~ Patsy Ramsey

... but we won't bother to ask our son what he may may have seen, heard or known.

 

[Venom]

Please explain how a "troubled" nine year old boy has been able to dupe a professional team of crime investigators and a Grand Jury?

How did he dupe the GJ? Under CO law, he cannot be charged or named a suspect, (this is stated many places on here) If the GJ thought it was him, they couldn't charge him, or even say that they solved the case.

 

[Venom]

If he was responsible, don't you think he should have continued with this behavior with others? I have never heard a complaint elsewhere about Burke. This is not the type of behavior people do once. They can't stop. If as a child, he was able to commit such a horrible crime, he wouldn't stop. Just my opinion.

Yes, as in he planned for it.
No, not if it was an accident and it snowballed into what it was in the morning.

 

[Venom]

I think the issue is that no one has to post their theory. This place is to help you formulate yours.

Thank you Scarlett.

 

[Venom]

Burke Ramsey was never interogated, as some here suggest. He was interviewed.

The Ramseys went to great lengths in the critical first days of the investigation to distance Burke from investigators.

Why? If, as Patsy Ramsey says in the quote above, she would do anything for her children- why wouldn't that include helping the police to undertsnd what Burke knew or didn't know about what happened on the night of the murder.

Even more importantly, what he may have known of events leading up to her murder. After all, this was according to the Ramsey's "an inside job". They began implicating LHP immediately- Santa Bill etc. I would want the police to know exactly what my son may have seen, heard or known in retrospect- leading up to his sisters murder.

Officer French had attempted to speak to Burke the morning of the ransom note as he was leaving the house with Fleet White but John Ramsey intervened and told him that Burke had been asleep. Why wouldn't he want the investigators to ask Burke important questions about events leading up to the murder- let alone the events of the night everything went down?

The family repeatedly stated that they NEVER WOKE BURKE UP TO ASK HIM anything about his sister's disappearnace.

I guess Patsy really didn't give a s**t about other peoples children if there was a child murderer/pedophile on the loose as she claimed:

"I don't know who it is. I don't know if it's a he or a she. But if I were a resident of Boulder, I would tell my friends to keep -- keep your babies close to you, there's someone out there."~ Patsy Ramsey

... but we won't bother to ask our son what he may may have seen, heard or known.

Thank you Frigga.
Why not want to ask the other child in the house if he noticed something in the days before?
Was he even interviewed anymore then the 1 time and when he testified to the GJ?

 

[Chewy]

Burke Ramsey was never interogated, as some here suggest. He was interviewed.

The Ramseys went to great lengths in the critical first days of the investigation to distance Burke from investigators.

Why? If, as Patsy Ramsey says in the quote above, she would do anything for her children- why wouldn't that include helping the police to undertsnd what Burke knew or didn't know about what happened on the night of the murder.

Even more importantly, what he may have known of events leading up to her murder. After all, this was according to the Ramsey's "an inside job". They began implicating LHP immediately- Santa Bill etc. I would want the police to know exactly what my son may have seen, heard or known in retrospect- leading up to his sisters murder.

Officer French had attempted to speak to Burke the morning of the ransom note as he was leaving the house with Fleet White but John Ramsey intervened and told him that Burke had been asleep. Why wouldn't he want the investigators to ask Burke important questions about events leading up to the murder- let alone the events of the night everything went down?

The family repeatedly stated that they NEVER WOKE BURKE UP TO ASK HIM anything about his sister's disappearance.

I guess Patsy really didn't give a s**t about other peoples children if there was a child murderer/pedophile on the loose as she claimed:

"I don't know who it is. I don't know if it's a he or a she. But if I were a resident of Boulder, I would tell my friends to keep -- keep your babies close to you, there's someone out there."~ Patsy Ramsey

... but we won't bother to ask our son what he may may have seen, heard or known.

By Marilyn Robinson
Denver Post Staff Writer

May 26 - Twelve-year-old Burke Ramsey was secretly questioned last week by the grand jury investigating his sister JonBenet's death. The next day, Boulder authorities publicly reaffirmed that he's not a suspect, only a witness.

Burke, 9 years old when his sister's body was found beaten and strangled in the basement of her parents' Boulder home in 1996, was subpoenaed to appear before the 12 grand jurors last Wednesday, according to a 9News report from Paula Woodward. His attorney, Atlanta-based Jim Jenkins, also attended the hearing, but the questions came only from the jurors, Woodward reported.

Burke's parents, John and Patsy Ramsey, could have contested the subpoena but did not.

http://extras.denverpost.com/news/jon0526.htm

 

[Venom]

Yes, he was affirmed as a witness....because he can't even be mentioned as a suspect at all.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I guess I'm confused about the nature of the site, I thought people were actually trying to solve crimes on here.

This crime is not going to be solved on the internet. There is nothing new here that has not been released to the public.

People over time come up with theories and in time sometimes they change those theories. We discuss things and work out issues we may have with evidence.

Some people like to talk about their theories some don't.

 

[Chewy]

Yes, as in he planned for it.
No, not if it was an accident and it snowballed into what it was in the morning.

If it was an accident that snowballed, how do you explain him never cracking under the pressure of massive public scrutiny and indicating any reason to law enforcement or the GJ over the years that there was more to his story?

 

[Venom]

This crime is not going to be solved on the internet. There is nothing new here that has not been released to the public.

People over time come up with theories and in time sometimes they change those theories. We discuss things and work out issues we may have with evidence.

Some people like to talk about their theories some don't.

Thank you again.
Wow, two posts we agree on.

 

[Venom]

If it was an accident that snowballed, how do you explain him never cracking under the pressure of massive public scrutiny and indicating any reason to law enforcement or the GJ over the years that there was more to his story?

How would he crack under public scrutiny? Shout it to whoever that he was responsible? We don't know him personally, how would we know if he cracked privately?

LE and the GJ cannot tell anyone if there is more to his story because of CO law.

 

[Linda7NJ]

The problem I see is that there's a difference between a hypothesis and an opinion based on hinky meters, personal experience and biased "research" that amounts to "looking only at things that support my opinion and ignoring the rest."


I've not seen a single response, theory or explanation that addresses my issue with the whole thing beyond the actual crime into the investigation.

So one last time

Please explain how a "troubled" nine year old boy has been able to dupe a professional team of crime investigators and a Grand Jury?

Well, if you take in account the psychiatrist comments, Kolar ...who was a professional crime investigator, and the indictment from the grand jury ...seems to me he wasn't able to dupe everyone!


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[Linda7NJ]

If he was responsible, don't you think he should have continued with this behavior with others? I have never heard a complaint elsewhere about Burke. This is not the type of behavior people do once. They can't stop. If as a child, he was able to commit such a horrible crime, he wouldn't stop. Just my opinion.

He was in therapy for years after. Perhaps it was successful? IMO It's a good possibility.


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[Chewy]

Kolar, the guy who had a book to sell and wanted to hook a salacious new angle and also shows NO EVIDENCE in the entire book. Gotta love those money driven hinky meters. cheers all I'm out

 

[Frigga]

Boulder Investigators did get one preliminary opportunity to speak with Burke, when detective Fred Patterson had the foresight to scramble to the White's residense not long after the discovery of the body. The interview took place at approximately 3:00 on December 26, 1996. A woman identifying herself as Burke's grandmother, sat in on the interview. The trascript of the recording was the first glimpse I had into Burke's thought process.

It is not clear wether Burke was aware that JonBenet had been found at the time of the interview, but throughout the questioning I found it odd that he never once expressed concern for his sister or asked about the status of the search for her.

Quite the opposite was observed. Detective Patterson had to stop his interview at one point in order for Burke to finish a sandwhich he was eating. Here was a police detective, asking him about the disappearance of his sister, and he was so engrossed in the act of eating that he couldn't articulate his words.

Patterson was able to elicit some details of events leading up to the kidnapping, and was informed that Burke had played at home until about 4:30-5:00 on Christmas day and had put on a sweater before heading to the White's dinner party. He played and ate some sandwhiches while there and stated the family went directly home after the party.

This conflicted with statements from the parents who stated they had made two stops on the way home to deliver presents to family friends.

Burke stated that he put on PJ's, brushed his teeth and went to bed upon arriving home. He estimated this timeframe to be between 8:30 and 9:00 pm.

The only noise he reported hearing after going to bed was the "squeaking water heater." He did not hear any "scream, cry, yell or any raised voices" during the night.

Burke provided conflicting information about waking: in one instance he advised that he woke and his father told him about JonBenet being gone. In another instance, he advise Detective Patterson that his dad had awakened him and told him his sister was missing and that they were going to find her.

At the close of the interview, Burke again stated that he didn't hear any arguing between anyone the previous night.

A red flag fluttered when I noted that Burke concluded the interview, not with a question about the welfare of his missing sister, but with a comment about his excitement of going to Charlevoix.

- Foreign Faction, by James Kolar p.346 and 347- copyright 2012

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Thank you again.
Wow, two posts we agree on.

Miracles happen!

:loveyou:

 

[otg]

(Let me offer a completely fictional crime to make a point about the vicious brutality of JonBenet’s death.)

A 911 call is made by an obviously distraught mother at 5:45 pm. She tells the 911 operator she just got home from work and found her daughter lying on the living room floor not breathing and unresponsive. There is blood on the body. “Hurry, hurry, hurry!”

Police arrive, pictures are taken of the crime scene, and statements are taken from the mother and her other, 10 year old daughter who says she got home from school at about 4:30 pm after stopping briefly at a friend’s house on the way home. She says she went straight to her room on the second floor after getting home, and didn’t see her sister lying on the floor in the living room. The dead sister’s room is also on the second floor. Police find a pair of scissors in some of the bushes in the backyard, wiped clean of fingerprints but with trace evidence of blood which is later determined to belong to the victim.

The medical examiner’s autopsy reveals the following:

• The 14 year old female victim’s cause of death is from an atlanto-occipital dislocation (internal decapitation) associated with craniocerebral trauma.

External Exam:

• The victim also has two stab wounds in the upper abdomen (possibly from the scissors found in the bushes).
• The victim’s right humerus bone (arm) is fractured.
• Her right shoulder is dislocated.
• There are multiple recent contusions on her legs, arms, and upper torso.

Internal Exam:

• The skull has a linear fracture 6” in length running through the parietal bone and into the occipital bone.
• There is hemorrhaging in the subdural and the subarachnoid layers of the cerebrum.
• Her hymen is torn in two locations, and additional acute vaginal trauma is also found.
• Semen is present in her vagina (swabs taken for DNA testing).

Investigators question the girl’s known friends and associates and take DNA swabs. Soon a DNA match is found to the semen with a male (not really necessary to point that out, I hope :giggle: ) friend in a grade higher than the victim’s. Witnesses at the school say they had seen the two talking to one another between classes. He is accused of the vicious, brutal attack that killed the girl. He denies any involvement and denies ever even being in the victim’s house. The only DNA and fiber evidence found in the home is excluded from being associated with the crime because it all belongs to the victim and her family members.

So in this fictional scenario, can anyone not say that this was a vicious, brutal, heinous, psychopathic attack on the 14 year old girl -- probably committed by the victim’s friend who is arrested and charged with rape and first degree murder? If not, read the list again of all the injuries that were inflicted on her body.

(I’ll tell you what actually happened later today.)

 

[Frigga]

I have a 10, 12 and 14 year old. My children showed more concern, fear and interest when one of our family chickens went missing recently.

My husband had let our 5 chickens out of their coop to free range in the yard for a few hours- and when he went to put them away- there were only four.

I don't need to be a seasoned detective, police officer or FBI agent to know how children act when someone or something they love goes missing, is kidnapped or worse.