Was Burke involved?

[UKGuy]

IMO, not exactly. BDI doesn't mean exclusively that this mother wrote the note, tied garrotes, and washed down JB's body. There could have been another helping hand in it- JR's shirt fibers found in the crotch of the underwear? He could have been staging while she was writing.
moo

Venom,
All three R's are linked by forensic evidence to the wine-cellar crime-scene thats a fact!

BR's touch dna is on the pink barbie nightgown as are bloodstains belonging to JonBenet.


Ask those that propose IDI: did the intruder place the asymetric hair-ties on JonBenet, because the R's claimed they never?

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[bettybaby00]

Linda7NJ,
Well put.


Yet he was, by Fleet White et al. Was this a preemptive move, to avoid BR being legally removed as a formal procedure?

If its not BDI then its one of JDI, PDI or IDI, and Boulder Police Department did not have enough forensic evidence to decide which was the most likely line to pursue.

So leaving BR in the house would surely have drawn criticism on child safety grounds?

Does Fleet White think he was duped that morning by JR, has he come to realize he was part of the staging?


The authorities in Boulder still have a duty of care to other children, yet they seemed unconcerned that BR was back in school so quickly?

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Interesting points (including linda7) why BR was not removed from the household.

I think Linda7's point is a very reasonable theory. Yet the idea that Boulder had a "duty" is also a reasonable concept.

Kolar definitely comments on why he thinks BR wasn't removed from the house.

Perhaps the idea that BR wasn't a "threat" to anyone else is b/c it was an "accident"

We have no idea what he said, but I doubt that if he in any way said or suggested that he was the one to deliver the head bash, that he said it was to intentionally kill her.

Idk, this case is so damn confusing, between the staging, the mishandling of the 1st 48 by LO, the defense team obfuscation, and the obvious failings by the DAs office, and it's no wonder it's never been solved. :banghead:

 

[2 percent]

Nah,
IMO the reason they left Burke with them is because they concluded he did it. He couldn't be charged with a crime.
Burke was in therapy for years. I would venture to guess there was lots of talk behind closed doors, the Ramsey's had the ability to provide him the best treatment available.
They couldn't move forward prosecuting the Ramsey's because of the Colorado Children's Code law would prevent disclosure of Burkes role.
Everyone's hands were tied at that point.

Lacy knew it, felt sorry for Patsy. Resented Kolar doing his job and went out of her way to lift the umbrella of suspicion.

Come on... No way she thought for a second JMK did it. She's either a complete and total air headed moron or she was running an agenda. Given the TDNA ridiculousness, the friendship with Patsy, and wining and dining JMK. I vote agenda.



When the newspaper sued for the release of the grand jury findings. The reason the judge only released 4 pages was that's all he could legally release.




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BBM
I seriously doubt anyone, at the time, knew CO law so well. Or would have been confident enough to think that relying on silence would work so well. But even if they did, there is no way a parent would cast away a child who had just murdered his sister! First, because this just isn't parental behavior. You don't abandon a child when something so potentially emotionally damaging happens to them. Second, they had to monitor his communication themselves. If he talked, the ruse was over....they would never be able to follow this supposed plan of keeping quiet and letting the CO law do it's thing for them.

No, I think the most likely explanation for separating Burke from them so quickly and without fear is because they knew he knew nothing. Otherwise you would never trust a child out of your sight. Also, I suspect they wanted him away so he wouldn't hear what they had to say.

As for JMK, you're implying she flew a man to CO based on a lie. Not just any lie, either...a lie to cover for John and Patsy, a lie that completely goes against her oath of office. A lie she told to the public, the public she took money from to bring someone she knew was innocent to the States to begin an investigation she knew was a lie. All for John and Patsy
I don't buy it, sorry. I just don't think John and Patsy were that important to her and I don't think she is that corrupt.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Linda7NJ,

Well put.





Yet he was, by Fleet White et al. Was this a preemptive move, to avoid BR being legally removed as a formal procedure?



If its not BDI then its one of JDI, PDI or IDI, and Boulder Police Department did not have enough forensic evidence to decide which was the most likely line to pursue.



So leaving BR in the house would surely have drawn criticism on child safety grounds?



Does Fleet White think he was duped that morning by JR, has he come to realize he was part of the staging?





The authorities in Boulder still have a duty of care to other children, yet they seemed unconcerned that BR was back in school so quickly?



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I don't believe so. I recall he returned to school with "body guards" and school staff was instructed to keep a very close eye on him, under the guise of "there is an intruder out there"

I believe there is no way in the world Burke would have been left in the house with his parents if they believed Patsy and John covered for anyone Other than Burke .
CPS doesn't need any more than a suspicion to remove children from the home.


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[Linda7NJ]

Linda7NJ,

Well put.





Yet he was, by Fleet White et al. Was this a preemptive move, to avoid BR being legally removed as a formal procedure?



If its not BDI then its one of JDI, PDI or IDI, and Boulder Police Department did not have enough forensic evidence to decide which was the most likely line to pursue.



So leaving BR in the house would surely have drawn criticism on child safety grounds?



Does Fleet White think he was duped that morning by JR, has he come to realize he was part of the staging?





The authorities in Boulder still have a duty of care to other children, yet they seemed unconcerned that BR was back in school so quickly?



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I think Burke was removed because they didn't want anyone asking him questions. They simply claimed he was asleep, no snack, and never woke up.

Until years later and it came to light Burke was awake at that god awful time that early morning.


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[Linda7NJ]

BBM

I seriously doubt anyone, at the time, knew CO law so well. Or would have been confident enough to think that relying on silence would work so well. But even if they did, there is no way a parent would cast away a child who had just murdered his sister! First, because this just isn't parental behavior. You don't abandon a child when something so potentially emotionally damaging happens to them. Second, they had to monitor his communication themselves. If he talked, the ruse was over....they would never be able to follow this supposed plan of keeping quiet and letting the CO law do it's thing for them.



No, I think the most likely explanation for separating Burke from them so quickly and without fear is because they knew he knew nothing. Otherwise you would never trust a child out of your sight. Also, I suspect they wanted him away so he wouldn't hear what they had to say.



As for JMK, you're implying she flew a man to CO based on a lie. Not just any lie, either...a lie to cover for John and Patsy, a lie that completely goes against her oath of office. A lie she told to the public, the public she took money from to bring someone she knew was innocent to the States to begin an investigation she knew was a lie. All for John and Patsy

I don't buy it, sorry. I just don't think John and Patsy were that important to her and I don't think she is that corrupt.

I'm not that naive to think for a second those that swear an oath, always uphold it.

She's human. Like everyone else.


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[Tawny]

Then why DID she bother to fly him all the way to CO?

 

[2 percent]

I'm not that naive to think for a second those that swear an oath, always uphold it.

Agreed. My main forum on this site for years was the political forum. My degrees are in political science and similar subjects so I have a working and practical knowledge of the type of person who is in politics/political office.
But this goes even beyond my imagination. I'm sorry, I just don't think people care that much about each other, nor do they trust each other so much. She'd have to actually trust that the Ramseys are 100% innocent. I don't think so.

One of my sons always says the only people you trust and share real secrets with are the ones you sleep with (don't worry...he's an adult). They aren't sleeping with her so where does the trust come from? So we're left with gain as a motive for her to lie and lie and lie. Only thing, I don't see her gaining anything from spending all that political and actual capital.

She's human. Like everyone else.

Hmmmm...have the DNA tests come back on that yet? :floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

 

[Tawny]

Just speculating, obviously. I have zero evidence or even reason to imply this is true, but one motivation to do all of that would be money. People do all sorts of shady things for money.

Again, NOT accusing the DA of that, just speculating a motivation for wasting everyone's time to bother with JMK at all.

Or possibly, if not money, then to at least make it LOOK like there is progress in an investigation she knows deep down is not going anywhere because she doesn't have the desire to prosecute the Ramsey's.

Which can also lead back to money if you think about it. She likely knew she could never win against the Ramsey Defense Team and all of JR's money.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Agreed. My main forum on this site for years was the political forum. My degrees are in political science and similar subjects so I have a working and practical knowledge of the type of person who is in politics/political office.

But this goes even beyond my imagination. I'm sorry, I just don't think people care that much about each other, nor do they trust each other so much. She'd have to actually trust that the Ramseys are 100% innocent. I don't think so.



One of my sons always says the only people you trust and share real secrets with are the ones you sleep with (don't worry...he's an adult). They aren't sleeping with her so where does the trust come from? So we're left with gain as a motive for her to lie and lie and lie. Only thing, I don't see her gaining anything from spending all that political and actual capital.







Hmmmm...have the DNA tests come back on that yet? :floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

Let me add this tidbit into the mix.

Linda Arnt met with and became friendly with Patsy Ramsey. She claims Patsy confided in her.

Linda after those meetings and even after the death of Patsy, never finished the book she planned on writing.

As you recall, Linda lept to the conclusion that morning that John had done it.

That kinda fits into my theory as well. I can't think of any other reason on the planet for those two to come together.



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[Linda7NJ]

Just speculating, obviously. I have zero evidence or even reason to imply this is true, but one motivation to do all of that would be money. People do all sorts of shady things for money.

Again, NOT accusing the DA of that, just speculating a motivation for wasting everyone's time to bother with JMK at all.

Or possibly, if not money, then to at least make it LOOK like there is progress in an investigation she knows deep down is not going anywhere because she doesn't have the desire to prosecute the Ramsey's.

Which can also lead back to money if you think about it. She likely knew she could never win against the Ramsey Defense Team and all of JR's money.

I think she did it knowing NOTHING would ever be done. She resented the "investigation" was even still open and diverting resources, however little, away from actual police work.
She had the tdna, IMO there is tdna in every case if ya look hard enough.
She only needed to make one big push to look for the killer to have the media all over it.
Enter JMK, the nut job, who handed himself up on a silver platter complete with bogus confession.
She saw an opportunity and seized it.






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[2 percent]

Just speculating, obviously. I have zero evidence or even reason to imply this is true, but one motivation to do all of that would be money. People do all sorts of shady things for money.

Again, NOT accusing the DA of that, just speculating a motivation for wasting everyone's time to bother with JMK at all.

Or possibly, if not money, then to at least make it LOOK like there is progress in an investigation she knows deep down is not going anywhere because she doesn't have the desire to prosecute the Ramsey's.

Which can also lead back to money if you think about it. She likely knew she could never win against the Ramsey Defense Team and all of JR's money.

I forgot to add my opinion to my post :doh:

I think she flew JMK to CO for two reasons.
First because she couldn't ignore a confession in such a very public case. Political suicide.
Second, if she hadn't flown him home, some news company - magazine, newspaper or network - would have and then she would have lost control of the situation. Political and legal suicide.

 

[Tawny]

I forgot to add my opinion to my post :doh:

I think she flew JMK to CO for two reasons.
First because she couldn't ignore a confession in such a very public case. Political suicide.
Second, if she hadn't flown him home, some news company - magazine, newspaper or network - would have and then she would have lost control of the situation. Political and legal suicide.

I agree.

 

[bettybaby00]

I think Burke was removed because they didn't want anyone asking him questions. They simply claimed he was asleep, no snack, and never woke up.

Until years later and it came to light Burke was awake at that god awful time that early morning.


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Agreed. They had to choose between the lesser of two evils. 1) he stays in the house, and would be subjected to questioning, likely from more than 1 officer, or 2) send him to a trusted friend, who isn't likely to press him about anything. It was also unlikely that BR would have spontaneously revealed anything, b/c given his remarks about secrets to the shrink, and the obvious disfunction of the household, he already knew how to keep secrets.

Also, the Rs rightly assumed he would only be at the Ws unattended for a few hours at most.

And why exactly were they so upset that BR did end up talking to a cop that day? If truly an intruder situation there would be no harm in him being questioned. A normal reaction would have been to welcome that. But then again, they didn't see the need to question him themselves now did they?

 

[bettybaby00]

Let me add this tidbit into the mix.

Linda Arnt met with and became friendly with Patsy Ramsey. She claims Patsy confided in her.

Linda after those meetings and even after the death of Patsy, never finished the book she planned on writing.

As you recall, Linda lept to the conclusion that morning that John had done it.

That kinda fits into my theory as well. I can't think of any other reason on the planet for those two to come together.



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Which theory is that JK!

But seriously, I'm not sure I'm following you?

 

[bettybaby00]

I forgot to add my opinion to my post :doh:

I think she flew JMK to CO for two reasons.
First because she couldn't ignore a confession in such a very public case. Political suicide.
Second, if she hadn't flown him home, some news company - magazine, newspaper or network - would have and then she would have lost control of the situation. Political and legal suicide.

Pretty much, also, Tawny's similar comment about appearing to be doing something with the investigation.

Her remarks to Kolar regarding, "I made it clear to you that your focus was current cases ..." Was mind blowing to me.

Eta: forgot to add, I believe an agenda was involved for ML. What exactly idk, but in addition to Karr, she sure as he'll knew her exoneration was a worthless document in the eyes of the law. It's easy to dupe us mere civilians, and it's easy to further dupe the media when LW waved that piece of paper around but in a court of law it would have absolutely zero relevance or value.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Which theory is that JK!



But seriously, I'm not sure I'm following you?

I find it extremely odd Linda would have befriended Patsy, or even met with her or have sympathy for her.
Linda came straight out and accused John. Lost her job, her reputation.

Why would Linda and Patsy ever AGREE to come together?
What secret would Linda be willing to keep????


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[Linda7NJ]

Pretty much, also, Tawny's similar comment about appearing to be doing something with the investigation.

Her remarks to Kolar regarding, "I made it clear to you that your focus was current cases ..." Was mind blowing to me.

Eta: forgot to add, I believe an agenda was involved for ML. What exactly idk, but in addition to Karr, she sure as he'll knew her exoneration was a worthless document in the eyes of the law. It's easy to dupe us mere civilians, and it's easy to further dupe the media when LW waved that piece of paper around but in a court of law it would have absolutely zero relevance or value.

Commenting on your forgot to add..

I agree 100%


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[Tawny]

I feel she would stay quiet if she realized/was told the truth and it WASN'T John. If it were Patsy, why WOULD she stay quiet after Patsy passed?

That leaves one person, whom Linda may have felt was still worth protecting.

Just speculating

 

[Linda7NJ]

I feel she would stay quiet if she realized/was told the truth and it WASN'T John. If it were Patsy, why WOULD she stay quiet after Patsy passed?

That leaves one person, whom Linda may have felt was still worth protecting.

Just speculating

Yep, it's the only theory where ALL the pieces fit. IMO




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