was Deb's brother there that night ?

[Karmaa]

http://www.ksdk.com/rss/article/283...-police?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Who is the source of this information anyway? There is no attribution in the story.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

What's it stand for? his name? can it not be posted? just trying to know the names an not just letters. Thanks!

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[Deleted member 39678]

http://www.ksdk.com/rss/article/283...-police?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Who is the source of this information anyway? There is no attribution in the story.

Good question. Maybe its the authors personal opinion.

 

[Eileen730]

MOO ... still makes no sense.


4:30 p.m. Neighbor checks on Baby Lisa -- who is in crib.

Question : Is Baby Lisa asleep ? Is Baby Lisa up ?

And according to this "new and revised" Timeline -- Jeremy is HOME watching the "children" while DB and PN are at store.


snipped from : http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/ne...-day-and-night-of-disappearance#ixzz1cZV0d0dm

5:00 p.m.
-Deborah Bradley returns from store with wine and baby food.

5:30 p.m.

-Brother leaves Irwin home.
-Family finances are stressed, so Jeremy Irwin returns to work overtime as an electrician at a Starbucks.

6:00 p.m.
-Neighbor, who checked on baby earlier returns for a moment, then leaves to purchase additional alcohol.

6:30 p.m.
-Neighbor returns and neighbor’s daughter sees Baby Lisa apparently safe.
-Deborah Bradley puts Lisa in crib.


Questions :

Was BL "asleep" from 4:30 - 6:40 p.m. ?
Did DB "feed" or give BL a bottle between 4:30 - 6:40 p.m. ?
Did BL "play" with the other children ?
Why did DB put Lisa in crib so "early" -- even if she had a cold ?

:waitasec: Oh that's right ... DB wanted her "adult time" ...

MOO ...

tThats why i said maybe she had wayyyy too much cold medicine. she was asleep a forever sleep. Just a thought!

I also think DB had alot of ADult time!

 

[Karmaa]

Good question. Maybe its the authors personal opinion.

Maybe we shouldn't be treating it as gospel even if it came from MSM? If there is no source, there is really no telling.

 

[nursebeeme]

we are not discussing facebook of PN... thanks peeps

 

[Sleuths4Me]

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Thanks much!

 

[Mountain_Kat]

This whole PN business is giving me a splitting headache.

 

[mamacita]

so, now I'm supposed to believe that on this first night of JI working, an intruder went into a well lit, door unlocked for the first time, home, with 2 boys, a woman and a man (sleeping who knows where)... mom is luckily so drunk that she's passed out... took the baby, took 3 phones... made a call with one of them... all while leaving next to no evidence for LE??

im sorry, but if this uncle is trying to help DB by saying he was there too... it's not working for me. if anything, it makes the story less believable. this information should have been released as soon as this baby went missing!!!

i don't believe anything any of them say. i've been away for a few days and now i see something about a man named Jersey... WOW. i hope baby lisa gets justice... AND SOON!!!

 

[curiousjo]

Another odd twist-

I read that DB bought a box of wine at grocery store.

AND the neighbor went to the store to buy alcohol too!

What?! DB bought a box of wine - so, I assumed that was for DB and the neighbor. Now, we find out that was just for her and the neigbor had to bring her own liquor.

I suspect that DB planned on entertaining that night, and planned on sharing the box of wine with others. So - who else showed up to party? Or was she celebrating something?

The interview where she announces that she was drunk and may have passed out is odd. Rather than acting embarrassed or apologetic --- she appeared to be saying F U, I did it and if you don't like it who cares... very odd affect. No tears for a baby who was "kidnapped" under her watch.

 

[gwenabob]

so, now I'm supposed to believe that on this first night of JI working, an intruder went into a well lit, door unlocked for the first time, home, with 2 boys, a woman and a man (sleeping who knows where)... mom is luckily so drunk that she's passed out... took the baby, took 3 phones... made a call with one of them... all while leaving next to no evidence for LE??

im sorry, but if this uncle is trying to help DB by saying he was there too... it's not working for me. if anything, it makes the story less believable. this information should have been released as soon as this baby went missing!!!

i don't believe anything any of them say. i've been away for a few days and now i see something about a man named Jersey... WOW. i hope baby lisa gets justice... AND SOON!!!

And don't forget the intruder just happened to call the very phone that DB had written on her hand that day!! Talk about coincidence!

 

[curiousjo]

IF another family member is truley stating that they were home the night the baby went missing, then it just didn't happen the way DB is telling us. So, an intruder enters the home with DB, 2 boys and another man home- no one hears anything?


Well, if a male relative was sleeping at the house that night... then my theory ---

DB passed the baby through the screen window or door. It was a hand off of deceased babe or live baby for sale.
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Did DB really say she wasn't going back to that home since it was the OMEN HOUSE? If so, then I think the baby died before that date, was temp. buried in back yard (as DB stated afraid what she may find back there), then passed off to someone that night (as witnessed by neighorbor/biker seeing man carrying diaper clad baby).

 

[cityslick]

And don't forget the intruder just happened to call the very phone that DB had written on her hand that day!! Talk about coincidence!

Speaking of what to believe and not to believe, MW said this fact about the number written on the hand, so it must be true, right?

 

[cityslick]

IF another family member is truley stating that they were home the night the baby went missing, then it just didn't happen the way DB is telling us. So, an intruder enters the home with DB, 2 boys and another man home- no one hears anything?


Well, if a male relative was at the house that night then my theory ---

DB passed the baby through the screen window or door. Only way possible. It was a hand off of deceased babe or live baby for sale.

The problem I have with this is now it's gone from DB involved, to DB and JI involved, to now DB/JI/brother/whoever ever else you want to add involved. That's a whole lot of people involved in a supposed cover up. And nobody saw and heard anything either.

Not buying it.

 

[uvamerica]

Debra may have drank more than just wine, from the timeline in this article

6:00 p.m.
-Neighbor, who checked on baby earlier returns for a moment, then leaves to purchase additional alcohol.

So additional alcohol was purchased, and brought to the "party" mixing hard liquor with wine can cause someone to pass out, IF that's what was bought. not saying I believe Deb did pass out..but it's possible :waitasec:



http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/ne...-day-and-night-of-disappearance#ixzz1cZUJYdM7

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Speaking of what to believe and not to believe, MW said this fact about the number written on the hand, so it must be true, right?

I just don't think MW would lie about what the police told her. Maybe LE lied to her about that but I don't think she would lie to the media and risk another visit from LE to find out why she is lying.

 

[1&2&3]

We need a place to go for headaches. . . Wow, step away for a few hours and it is more confusing than ever!!

First step, IMO, what can we find out as fact on PN? Where does he live, does he have a car, job? Does he hang out with MW or who are his buds? Having an older sister, it is likely he does hang with a group closer to DB's age. Does he have a record?

By narrowing some facts down, we can get a perspective on his life style and whether he lives with DB, he roams between grandparents, father, friends etc. With his mom dying at such a young age, he and DB are probably very close and he would do anything to help her. From the bottom of my heart, I hope DB did not get him involved in criminal activity helping with Lisa!!

 

[momshrink]

tThats why i said maybe she had wayyyy too much cold medicine. she was asleep a forever sleep. Just a thought!

I also think DB had alot of ADult time!

I think this is what happened
IMO

 

[dillysmom11]

Backing up. Sorry! I'm confused about a lot of what is being said. I can't imagine what it would be like to (if kidnapping vs. death) have your child go missing and the world pick apart your life... where your family sends auto registrations, whether or not you have your driver's license (I have adult friends who choose not to)...

So, playing the devil's advocate (and sitting on the fence myself)-

Neighbor checks on Baby Lisa, who is in her crib, at 4:30?? Asleep? Then DB puts the baby back in bed at 6:40?? I know the baby had a cold, but really?

My neighbor and I are good friends, she brings home foster children, I love them, she reciprocates. If I have a sick baby but need to run another child somewhere, she will pop in and check on my child- even with my husband is home (and he is not an idiot).

I'm laying the majority of my cards on MW and Jersey. Casing the neighborhood, watching and waiting...

-IMO-

 

[amymarie]

we are not discussing facebook of PN... thanks peeps

Iirc, in the Jersey and MW thread it was said we could discuss FB pages, but not comments?