Was Josh Seen Buying A LARGE Amount of Shrink Wrap?

[PickieChickie]

I am not defending JP...actually I have thought he was responsible from day one, I am only trying to put a little balance in the red hands. He very well COULD have been digging in the snow bare handed....but he may just suffer from the extremes up here in this wonderful (sarcastic) state.

I appreciate your information as it was quite helpful. However, Tim Peterson, JP's long time friend and neighbor said, during a TV interview, "He had the worst case of windburned hands I've ever seen" and "he kept putting lotion on them".

I would assume, if JP had a skin problem as you've described, and was sensitive to the winter weather, Tim Peterson wouldn't have even thought about mentioning the red hands because it wouldn't have been out of the ordinary for JP to have this problem.

The fact Tim Peterson brought it up during the TV interview indicates to me that he (Peterson) was very suspicious about the red hands or he would have most likely either not mentioned them or said something to the effect that the redness was something JP has had problems with in the past.

I do not know, of course, what caused the redness but it is VERY suspicious to me that it showed up AFTER he rented the car and was not a result of whatever he was doing during the time he left the house on Sunday night and returned on Monday evening, December 7, 2009 at 5:00 PM.

Also, if he were to have horrible problems with his hands getting so dried out they cracked and bled, one would think the guy would always be putting lotion on his hands and would definately wear gloves. There is not one photo or news video which shows him wearing gloves, and there are many photos and videos which were taken on different days.

 

[grayjay]

Yes, he's caught red-handed. I do remember from the old days ice skating and then standing next to a bonfire with exposed hands, it will cause this sort of thing. It can be a combination of very cold hands and then hot dry heat on hands that have become slightly numb from the cold.

 

[GrandmaTo4]

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The thing that worries me is that, other than attending his wife's vigil JP doesn't really seem overly concerned about public opinion or how bad any of this looks and I would go as far as to say has now written the book on how to look as guilty as #ell.

Refusing from early on to work w LE, packing up and fleeing WVC, and holing up w dad... either he is really confident... really foolish... or likely a little of both.
arrot:

I'd bet he's simply a very, very dim narcissistic sociopath, kiki.

From what I understand, these unfortunate characters have no empathy, no conscience, no true understanding about how to act appropriately, especially in new or unusual social situations. They must take their cues from observing others. Eventually many become excellent mimics.

I guess poor Joshua hasn't had the opportunity to learn up close and personal from another wife-murderer's more successful behavior. His mimicking in this situation is sorely lacking

Death Row resident, Golden-Boy Scott Peterson had exactly the same problem. _

 

[nitasch]

PickieChickie,

As I said, he very well could have been out diggin in the snow without gloves...

But then again, with Mr. Peterson....his "hinky" meter went off from the word go in this case. He has been the most outspoken person against JP from the first day, with good cause. But, this may lead him to look at everything with suspicion as far as JP is concerned. WHich is not a bad thing mind you, but could lead to reading into to something that is actually unrelated.

I guess I only mentioned it, because it seems to be the least important "hint" that may be something completely unrelated in this case (dry hands not burned hands). Not that there needs to be more to point guilt in the right direction.. I appreciate your input and your response!

 

[kiki the parrot]

I'd bet he's simply a very, very dim narcissistic sociopath, kiki.

From what I understand, these unfortunate characters have no empathy, no conscience, no true understanding about how to act appropriately, especially in new or unusual social situations. They must take their cues from observing others. Eventually many become excellent mimics.

I guess poor Joshua hasn't had the opportunity to learn up close and personal from another wife-murderer's more successful behavior. His mimicking in this situation is sorely lacking

Death Row resident, Golden-Boy Scott Peterson had exactly the same problem. _

(bbm) Exactly!!

Agree grandma (shocker, right?!) I've had the misfortune of running across one or two of these characters--known a mime (or thought I did) in my time. Frankly all the sniveling and emoting we saw Josh do in the first days was more consistent w what I've come to expect from a poser, or pretender, like JP #ell I'd be mad if he didn't Guess even he soon wearied of the mask and charade tho and couldn't stay in character or keep up the performances day after day--time to exit stage left and go behind the curtain and the safety of daddy's gated insular cocoon. Let's see now if daddy can keep his son out from behind real bars. Personally I think SP will be doing well to keep himself out. JMO

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arrot:

 

[diphi]

Yes, I'm sure. That's why he can make a fire in a minute! Lol!

Thanks for the clarification!. After doing some research I now see the difference between a cutting torch and a hand-held propane torch. I understand a cutting torch is much more heavy duty - used for cutting heavy metal, etc. as previously mentioned. The little propane torch is NOT what we're talking about - right?

 

[PickieChickie]

Thanks for the clarification!. After doing some research I now see the difference between a cutting torch and a hand-held propane torch. I understand a cutting torch is much more heavy duty - used for cutting heavy metal, etc. as previously mentioned. The little propane torch is NOT what we're talking about - right?

The temperature of a cutting torch is about 2000 degrees hotter than a propane torch! And, when I realized that a cutting torch requires two tanks, I realized my friend wasn't using a cutting torch after all.

There is a post of mine down maybe about 12 posts or so which has links and lists the three different types of "torches", the gasses they use and so forth.

So, my friend was not using a cutting torch but a propane torch! See how confusing this all is which leads me to believe that whomever started this story that it was a cutting torch could have been confused as well because they start at $300.00 whereas the hand held torches are very inexpensive.

One would think that JP would NOT have purchased a cutting torch on Monday morning! How suspicious and stupid would that be. I honestly believe he bought a simple, hand held torch like pictured here to start a campfire to keep warm and roast marshmallows for the S'Moures.

I'm not saying I'm right but buying a cutting torch just doesn't make sense to me as doing so would have been a BIG RED FLAG on his credit card statement. Surely he realized he would be a suspect in his wife's disappearance!

 

[diphi]

The temperature of a cutting torch is about 2000 degrees hotter than a propane torch! And, when I realized that a cutting torch requires two tanks, I realized my friend wasn't using a cutting torch after all.

There is a post of mine down maybe about 12 posts or so which has links and lists the three different types of "torches", the gasses they use and so forth.

So, my friend was not using a cutting torch but a propane torch! See how confusing this all is which leads me to believe that whomever started this story that it was a cutting torch could have been confused as well because they start at $300.00 whereas the hand held torches are very inexpensive.

One would think that JP would NOT have purchased a cutting torch on Monday morning! How suspicious and stupid would that be. I honestly believe he bought a simple, hand held torch like pictured here to start a campfire to keep warm and roast marshmallows for the S'Moures.

I'm not saying I'm right but buying a cutting torch just doesn't make sense to me as doing so would have been a BIG RED FLAG on his credit card statement. Surely he realized he would be a suspect in his wife's disappearance!

I saw your post about the different types of torches. Frankly, I can't see him puchasing any type of torch on Monday morning. I agree, he would not have purchased a cutting torch (seriously heavy-duty) because it would have been too much of a red flag. Even a little hand-held propane torch would raise all kinds of questions. If he had purchased either one, though, that would indicate that he didn't plan very well beforehand.

I don't know. The torch story is kind of sketch if you ask me.

 

[PickieChickie]

I saw your post about the different types of torches. Frankly, I can't see him puchasing any type of torch on Monday morning. I agree, he would not have purchased a cutting torch (seriously heavy-duty) because it would have been too much of a red flag. Even a little hand-held propane torch would raise all kinds of questions. If he had purchased either one, though, that would indicate that he didn't plan very well beforehand.

I don't know. The torch story is kind of sketch if you ask me.

But buying a propane torch would make sense and be easily explainable. All he would have to say to explain would be that he couldn't get the campfire to start and had promised the boys a fire and S'Moures and decided to drive into town to buy a $12.00 propane torch, that he just went to a nearby area, built a fire, made S'Moures and let the boys play. That purchase would have made sense and would be no reason to draw suspicion.

I think it is highly likely that he did purchase a propane torch for that purpose, a purchase he could easily explain. But, what he can't explain is why he drove around West Valley City for two hours after being notified by Tim Peterson the police were at his house and that Susan was missing!

 

[diphi]

But buying a propane torch would make sense and be easily explainable. All he would have to say to explain would be that he couldn't get the campfire to start and had promised the boys a fire and S'Moures and decided to drive into town to buy a $12.00 propane torch, that he just went to a nearby area, built a fire, made S'Moures and let the boys play. That purchase would have made sense and would be no reason to draw suspicion.

I think it is highly likely that he did purchase a propane torch for that purpose, a purchase he could easily explain. But, what he can't explain is why he drove around West Valley City for two hours after being notified by Tim Peterson the police were at his house and that Susan was missing!

Normally, a purchase like that might be explainable, but in this situation, I don't think so. His wife has been missing for awhile now.
The other thing he can't explain is that he said he went camping near the Pony Express Trail. That is a long way away from WVC. Would someone seriously drive all the way to the Pony Express Trail to go camping without a sure way to start a fire, especially with two young children? Don't think so. If anything, the puchase would be much more believable if he had bought it before the camping trip.

 

[RubyRed]

It seems a few you tube video's that do not reflect well on Josh , have suddenly disappeared. This one is fairly good, music not so much. Overall it sums up events .


[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8udgNVodBQ[/ame]

 

[GrandmaTo4]

This is the ABC Interview with Chuck and Judy Cox. The video is in the upper right corner.

Nothing is new except that the Cox parents want Josh to "man-up" and start cooperating with police. They both believe Susan is still alive.

http://www.abc4.com/content/news/sl...-message-for-Josh/V9UjCSrVaUSnVub2mVQ9gQ.cspx

 

[Mesmerized]

This is the ABC Interview with Chuck and Judy Cox. The video is in the upper right corner.

Nothing is new except that the Cox parents want Josh to "man-up" and start cooperating with police. They both believe Susan is still alive.

http://www.abc4.com/content/news/sl...-message-for-Josh/V9UjCSrVaUSnVub2mVQ9gQ.cspx

Keep in mind that saying it doesn't make it true. Deep down they likely suspect he killed her, just like we do, but that's a HUGE leap to make when it's your own little girl and your grandkids involved. Denial can be a very effective emotional defense mechanism.

Besides, if they come right out and say they think she's dead or he killed her they are GUARANTEED not to get cooperation from him regarding the boys OR the investigation. Whereas if they give the impression they believe he did NOT hurt her, they keep him feeling all cocky and comfortable in his skin - thinking he pulled a fast one on everybody - and more likely to slip up.

I sure hope local LE in Puyallup is keeping a watchful eye out for those boys. Would hate to see them 'relocated' when nobody's watching...

 

[Gin]

This is the ABC Interview with Chuck and Judy Cox. The video is in the upper right corner.

Nothing is new except that the Cox parents want Josh to "man-up" and start cooperating with police. They both believe Susan is still alive.

http://www.abc4.com/content/news/sl...-message-for-Josh/V9UjCSrVaUSnVub2mVQ9gQ.cspx

I thought there was a huge change in their public attitude. They seem like they are usually kindly, soft-spoken folks, but tonight's interview showed they are worried sick and just shocked at Josh's total lack of cooperation. To me, the look on their faces says, enough is enough. We've been patient, but now we're speaking out.
The parents specifically mention that Josh has an attorney, and he continues to not cooperate with the West Valley Police. Beyond that, they are still asking to see their grandchildren, something that hasn't happened since Jan 3. Josh will only allow them to see the children at his daddy's home. The Cox's feel this is awkward. I totally understand.


I forgot to add: They showed a shot of the house, all the purple decorations are down. The reporter said Josh left Saturday night.

 

[PickieChickie]

I forgot to add: They showed a shot of the house, all the purple decorations are down. The reporter said Josh left Saturday night.

I wonder what JP did with all the laminated hearts? Did he save some to bring back to his boys? Is there video footage or photos of JP taking down the decorations? It's quite interesting how he wasn't compelled to deal with the house until learning about the decorations.

Did JP remove all the decorations himself or did the neighbors and or ward/stake members help him?

Did JP totally gut the house, garage and yard of all the Powell's possessions? Is the house truly ready to rent? Or, was his trip to West Valley City due to becoming enraged when he learned about the house being plastered with Susan Powell missing fliers, purple hearts and ribbons, etc.?

Once again, JP is exhibiting his overpowering desire to control. Knowing full well the Cox's wouldn't accept, he has offered to allow them to see their grandchildren on his terms, something he has every right to do.

I wish the Cox's would call JP's bluff and go visit their grandchildren at Steve Powell's house.

 

[Gin]

Once again, JP is exhibiting his overpowering desire to control. Knowing full well the Cox's wouldn't accept, he has offered to allow them to see their grandchildren on his terms, something he has every right to do.

I wish the Cox's would call JP's bluff and go visit their grandchildren at Steve Powell's house.

In theory I totally understand your boldened statement. In practice? I think how the Cox's are handling this is the very best way. They are walking a fine line. While they would love to see their grandchildren, they can't risk the problems that may ensure due to a visit to daddy's house. That fam has already shown itself to be of (at best) very low character. They likely wouldn't think twice about making untruthful statements of something the Cox's "said" during a visit. The safest long term policy for the Cox family is visiting on safe neutral ground (with safe witnesses) or at their home.
Down the road I think we all hope the boys will have lots of time with the ethical, loving set of grandparents.

 

[PickieChickie]

In theory I totally understand your boldened statement. In practice? I think how the Cox's are handling this is the very best way. They are walking a fine line. While they would love to see their grandchildren, they can't risk the problems that may ensure due to a visit to daddy's house. That fam has already shown itself to be of (at best) very low character. They likely wouldn't think twice about making untruthful statements of something the Cox's "said" during a visit. The safest long term policy for the Cox family is visiting on safe neutral ground (with safe witnesses) or at their home.
Down the road I think we all hope the boys will have lots of time with the ethical, loving set of grandparents.

Here is where faith comes in. The problem should be handed to our Heavenly Father to take care of. The boys are being told, most likely, that Grandma Judy and Grandpa Chuck have been invited to come see them and they won't come over here because they don't like Grandpa Steve and Daddy. Therefore, it is in the best interest of the boys that the Cox's set aside their doubts and fears and muster up the courage to go visit their grandchildren and let a very capable and all knowing God take care of the rest.

 

[Gin]

Here is where faith comes in. The problem should be handed to our Heavenly Father to take care of. The boys are being told, most likely, that Grandma Judy and Grandpa Chuck have been invited to come see them and they won't come over here because they don't like Grandpa Steve and Daddy. Therefore, it is in the best interest of the boys that the Cox's set aside their doubts and fears and muster up the courage to go visit their grandchildren and let a very capable and all knowing God take care of the rest.

In theory, your is a lovely thought. In practice, I'm sure the sweet boys missing mother had enormous faith and trust in God.

Thanks for your input-we are all wanting the little boys to be safe, and their mother to be found.

 

[RubyRed]

I thought there was a huge change in their public attitude. They seem like they are usually kindly, soft-spoken folks, but tonight's interview showed they are worried sick and just shocked at Josh's total lack of cooperation. To me, the look on their faces says, enough is enough. We've been patient, but now we're speaking out.
The parents specifically mention that Josh has an attorney, and he continues to not cooperate with the West Valley Police. Beyond that, they are still asking to see their grandchildren, something that hasn't happened since Jan 3. Josh will only allow them to see the children at his daddy's home. The Cox's feel this is awkward. I totally understand.


I forgot to add: They showed a shot of the house, all the purple decorations are down. The reporter said Josh left Saturday night.

bbm Well, the decorations didn't last long, did they?

 

[PickieChickie]

In theory, your is a lovely thought. In practice, I'm sure the sweet boys missing mother had enormous faith and trust in God.

Thanks for your input-we are all wanting the little boys to be safe, and their mother to be found.

All the more reason for them not to feel abandoned by Grandma Judy and Grandpa Chuck.

Josh doesn't want the boys to visit unsupervised in Judy and Chuck's home.

Josh doesn't want to meet at someone's home or at a public place so the Cox's can visit with their grandchildren.

Josh does want the Cox's to come to his father's home to visit the boys.

Which statements are true? I say the third statement is false and if the Cox's call JP's bluff, Josh will most likely come up with an excuse to cancel the invitation, thus making him look bad. Right now, JP is making the Cox's look bad. It was the Cox's who declined to go to the Charlie's birthday party. I can't imagine how disappointed Charlie was over that. The grandchildren need to be shown that Grandma Judy and Grandpa Chuck will do whatever it takes to see them or they are going to suffer more psychological damage.

Let's all try to put ourselves in the grandchildren's position for a moment then perhaps we will realize that the most important thing is the effect all of this is having on them. Every day that goes by that the Cox's refuse to accept Josh's invitation to visit the boys is another day that convinces the boys that their grandparents don't love them enough to come see them. So, I think the Cox's need to set aside their fears and surge forward!