Was Josh Seen Buying A LARGE Amount of Shrink Wrap?

[PickieChickie]

I would love to be wrong--and hear Dr P ask some real questions of the family such as "For what purposes would Josh in the normal course of his activities be purchasing torches, or shrink wrap?" [/COLOR]
arrot:

I don't think Dr. Phil visits this forum. Could you imagine how that would go over? Probably like a big FART in church!

 

[RubyRed]

Something else that's disappeared," Kirk said, "Is Josh's talkative and obsessive personality - that's gone too."

"I just wonder," Kirk asked, "Why is Josh working so hard to remove any trace or memory of Susan from his life?"

"And what about the kids," Jennifer Graves, Josh's sister said, "No one has access to time alone with them anymore. To the family, it feels like they, too, have disappeared. He's shut down visits outside our dad's home and that's uncomfortable for everyone."http://www.examiner.com/x-34328-Sea...Powell-update-Where-have-all-the-ribbons-gone

Something else that is disappearing is you tube videos that are not very flattering to Josh . One was a satire of him making smores and moving. That one and a few others have disappeared. Wonder if the Powell camp is at work? moo

 

[grayjay]

"I just wonder," Kirk asked, "Why is Josh working so hard to remove any trace or memory of Susan from his life?"

It's ... it's such a mystery. They were so in love and there are all these cute photos, and had such normal problems in their marriage. I just don't have a clue why he would want to remove all memory of her. I can't think he would MURDER her!

<snark> :doh:

 

[RubyRed]

it's ... It's such a mystery. They were so in love and there are all these cute photos, and had such normal problems in their marriage. I just don't have a clue why he would want to remove all memory of her. I can't think he would murder her!

<snark> :doh:[/quote

LOL

 

[hollyblue]

it's ... It's such a mystery. They were so in love and there are all these cute photos, and had such normal problems in their marriage. I just don't have a clue why he would want to remove all memory of her. I can't think he would murder her!

<snark> :doh:[/quote

LOL

It's my opinion Steven P/C has done a fine job of poisoning Josh's mind against Susan. What a truly wicked man he must be. It is clearly obvious from his past and present behavior there are deep psychological problems embedded within him.

I was always intrigued with the situation of his divorce, and he being granted custody of the children and Terrica having to pay child support. That is not in the norm and would be very telling.

I fear for those boys. It is sad and frightening to think this screwball has had the opportunity to influence his 5 children in his bitter, toxic, controlling manner. I just can't imagine how the boys lives could be damaged. I think if just one of his children living under his roof would seek counselling, how the others might benefit. But the father would surely see this as an enormous threat to his psyche. (shivers)

Do you think there is anything in Susan journal referring to Josh's dad? I do. I have a inkling she put it all down there.
Every little bit.

I also think he was a big part in her demise. No way was he going to let Josh lose everything (which he would have) in the same costly and drawn out divorce he sought. Josh didn't have the finances, nor the fortitude of daddy. Let a strong willed, Mormon women "beat" his son. I think not--not in HIS mind.

The two Powell men are going to lose this battle...no doubt in my mind. Their controlling and manipulative days are over. Period.

I'm confused on the Coxs' not pursuing visitation with the boys--even at the Powell's residence. I'm sure they have their reason, but I was always told to face the devil, grab him by the tail and then box his jaws!!!

 

[PickieChickie]

It's my opinion Steven P/C has done a fine job of poisoning Josh's mind against Susan. What a truly wicked man he must be. It is clearly obvious from his past and present behavior there are deep psychological problems embedded within him.

I was always intrigued with the situation of his divorce, and he being granted custody of the children and Terrica having to pay child support. That is not in the norm and would be very telling.

I fear for those boys. It is sad and frightening to think this screwball has had the opportunity to influence his 5 children in his bitter, toxic, controlling manner. I just can't imagine how the boys lives could be damaged. I think if just one of his children living under his roof would seek counselling, how the others might benefit. But the father would surely see this as an enormous threat to his psyche. (shivers)

Do you think there is anything in Susan journal referring to Josh's dad? I do. I have a inkling she put it all down there.
Every little bit.

I also think he was a big part in her demise. No way was he going to let Josh lose everything (which he would have) in the same costly and drawn out divorce he sought. Josh didn't have the finances, nor the fortitude of daddy. Let a strong willed, Mormon women "beat" his son. I think not--not in HIS mind.

You just made me realize something I hadn't thought of. It appears that JP's father's goal is to have all his adult children live with him in his home. Perhaps he brainwashed JP into getting rid of Susan, knowing full well JP wouldn't be able to make it on his own and would ultimately come back home to live with him.

Why else would JP's father allow four of his adult children to reside with him? That is VERY unusual! I do not know of any other family who has 4 out of their 5 ADULT children living with them! That is just plain strange!

 

[hollyblue]

Was this site "down" for a bit? 10 mins.? I was in the act of editing my post when the I get the Oops. Site not available. Could not get a response till a few minutes ago. What gives? Strange.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Then, the next evening when the police served a warrant and took his mini-van he took off in a rental car and disappeared until the next day."

I keep thinking this was a visit to a girlfriend or boyfriend.

 

[grayjay]

You just made me realize something I hadn't thought of. It appears that JP's father's goal is to have all his adult children live with him in his home. Perhaps he brainwashed JP into getting rid of Susan, knowing full well JP wouldn't be able to make it on his own and would ultimately come back home to live with him.

Why else would JP's father allow four of his adult children to reside with him? That is VERY unusual! I do not know of any other family who has 4 out of their 5 ADULT children living with them! That is just plain strange!

I agree it is very strange. The finances, especially. The most expensive attorney, those two moving vans, a rental car, a plane ticket back to SLC, a generator and the list goes on. This doesn't seem like the right expense report for the guy they said on TV made just a few thousand dollars one year.

Isn't it illegal to clean out the family bank account once a spouse goes missing like that?

Who's covering those bills? It starts to look like a cult group is assembling in that house.

 

[hollyblue]

Dr. Fessel, I think he was meeting Papa. Didn't the dad show up in WVC around that time? Rumors of him being in the rental car when the famous 6 min video was done?

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Dr. Fessel, I think he was meeting Papa. Didn't the dad show up in WVC around that time? Rumors of him being in the rental car when the famous 6 min video was done?

That might very well be it. I keep wondering too if Susan found something on Josh's computer when he was on the sledding trip if the trip really happened.

 

[PickieChickie]

Was this site "down" for a bit? 10 mins.? I was in the act of editing my post when the I get the Oops. Site not available. Could not get a response till a few minutes ago. What gives? Strange.

I have been having that problem on various web pages. It must have to do with our Internet service providers! It's been happening to me on Facebook, GMail and YouTube as well.

 

[PickieChickie]

Then, the next evening when the police served a warrant and took his mini-van he took off in a rental car and disappeared until the next day."

I keep thinking this was a visit to a girlfriend or boyfriend.

I have felt all along that he went to meet someone to talk about what he should do because he didn't want to talk on the phone. The puzzling part was the red hands. Also, where did he spend the night?

I believe Chris Jones conducted "The Blue Cap Interview" [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCXDpQEfZm8"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCXDpQEfZm8[/ame] after JP returned from this several hundred mile jaunt. JP seemed lethargic as though he hadn't gotten much sleep, leading me to believe he was perhaps on a manic swing the night he left with the boys to go camping, a manic episode that caused him to lose his temper with Susan.

It has also crossed my mind that perhaps JP had a boyfriend and I have a particular person in mind who I won't mention. But, if you send me a message with your guess as to who I think it may have been and you are correct, I will affirm my suspicion!

 

[PickieChickie]

Dr. Fessel, I think he was meeting Papa. Didn't the dad show up in WVC around that time? Rumors of him being in the rental car when the famous 6 min video was done?

I don't ever remember reading that Steven Powell aka Steven Chantrey ever went to West Valley City. I do believe that is the rental car JP stepped out of just before Chris Jones conducted the infamous "Blue Cap Interview", although it has never been confirmed by anyone that I am aware of.

When JP was gone with the rental car, he left the boys with his sister, Jennifer Graves (which has been confirmed), so the fact he states that he needs to go pick up his boys leads me to believe that was indeed the rental car. I do know the Blue Cap Interview was conducted on December 10, 2009 and there would be no need for JP to have a different vehicle unless his van was impounded. So, it is fair to assume that was the rental car.

How Chris Jones knew to be where JP arrived to pick up the boys is unclear, unless he was tipped off that JP was going there to pick up the children. (I am assuming this interview took place in front of Kirk and Jennifer Grave's home but am not certain.)

Also note that JP is not wearing gloves nor has he ever been caught on film, video or photograph, wearing gloves that I've ever seen.

If he had a problem with his hands being sensitive to the cold and developing dry, cracked hands, one would think he would be in the habit of wearing gloves.

 

[rd_jfc]

Why else would JP's father allow four of his adult children to reside with him? That is VERY unusual! I do not know of any other family who has 4 out of their 5 ADULT children living with them! That is just plain strange!

Cartwright's
Ewing's

just joking. But you're right. That sort of enablement seems to go hand in hand with the arrogance to just disappear your wife.

rd

 

[hollyblue]

I don't ever remember reading that Steven Powell aka Steven Chantrey ever went to West Valley City. I do believe that is the rental car JP stepped out of just before Chris Jones conducted the infamous "Blue Cap Interview", although it has never been confirmed by anyone that I am aware of.

When JP was gone with the rental car, he left the boys with his sister, Jennifer Graves (which has been confirmed), so the fact he states that he needs to go pick up his boys leads me to believe that was indeed the rental car. I do know the Blue Cap Interview was conducted on December 10, 2009 and there would be no need for JP to have a different vehicle unless his van was impounded. So, it is fair to assume that was the rental car.

How Chris Jones knew to be where JP arrived to pick up the boys is unclear, unless he was tipped off that JP was going there to pick up the children. (I am assuming this interview took place in front of Kirk and Jennifer Grave's home but am not certain.)

Also note that JP is not wearing gloves nor has he ever been caught on film, video or photograph, wearing gloves that I've ever seen.

If he had a problem with his hands being sensitive to the cold and developing dry, cracked hands, one would think he would be in the habit of wearing gloves.

As stated, it was rumored, as with the shrink wrap and blow torch. But there is someone in the rental car, if you look at the very beginning of the video.

I think you are correct about that being J&K's house, and agree with the no gloves. I haven't seen a pic or video of him with them on either.

I've always wondered why Josh didn't pull in the driveway?

Media and LE work pretty close together sometimes.

 

[hollyblue]

That might very well be it. I keep wondering too if Susan found something on Josh's computer when he was on the sledding trip if the trip really happened.

Or prior to that. I think he found her other account full of money and may have emailed daddy the info, and she found out he & daddy knew about it. (That would have infuriated Josh--and papa)
I think the only intimate relationship Josh had with another male, was his too close, controlling father. They said he was on the phone with him all the time. One of the contentions Susan had mentioned. Maybe Josh is telling the half-truth, that he doesn't know where she is and he didn't do anything to her.....besides maybe drugging her up. I don't know....but I think dear ole dad had a hand in it. I don't think he running on all cylinders---even tho he is running at full speed to control the family.

 

[PickieChickie]

Or prior to that. I think he found her other account full of money and may have emailed daddy the info, and she found out he & daddy knew about it. (That would have infuriated Josh--and papa)
I think the only intimate relationship Josh had with another male, was his too close, controlling father. They said he was on the phone with him all the time. One of the contentions Susan had mentioned. Maybe Josh is telling the half-truth, that he doesn't know where she is and he didn't do anything to her.....besides maybe drugging her up. I don't know....but I think dear ole dad had a hand in it. I don't think he running on all cylinders---even tho he is running at full speed to control the family.

I don't remember reading a family member or friend being quoted in the press as saying JP was always on the phone with his father nor do I recall this being said during a TV interview and I've watched and read everything. I'm not calling you out, I'm asking if you can give me a link to the media or if perhaps this was something that was written in a comment on Facebook or a newspaper article or video.

If JP was indeed on the phone with his father constantly, this would lead me to believe that he would have contacted his father on December 7, 2009 because of habit! If this adult man (JP) was constantly consulting his father about everything, this would be a time when he would feel an overpowering urge to seek the advice of his father!

I have thought that perhaps the car was rented so he could meet and talk with his father in person who drove the majority of the way, that perhaps his father paid for a motel for them to spend the night in so they could talk undisturbed. This still wouldn't explain the red hands.

Perhaps JP's father met JP somewhere, they talked and then they both decided something must be done; that certain evidence must be moved or destroyed or Susan's body must be moved.

 

[darlin gal]

I don't remember reading a family member or friend being quoted in the press as saying JP was always on the phone with his father nor do I recall this being said during a TV interview and I've watched and read everything. I'm not calling you out, I'm asking if you can give me a link to the media or if perhaps this was something that was written in a comment on Facebook or a newspaper article or video.

If JP was indeed on the phone with his father constantly, this would lead me to believe that he would have contacted his father on December 7, 2009 because of habit! If this adult man (JP) was constantly consulting his father about everything, this would be a time when he would feel an overpowering urge to seek the advice of his father!

I have thought that perhaps the car was rented so he could meet and talk with his father in person who drove the majority of the way, that perhaps his father paid for a motel for them to spend the night in so they could talk undisturbed. This still wouldn't explain the red hands.

Perhaps JP's father met JP somewhere, they talked and then they both decided something must be done; that certain evidence must be moved or destroyed or Susan's body must be moved.

"One of the biggest problems Susan had was that (Josh) talked to his dad for hours, more than he talked to her," said Tim P, a friend and member of the Powells' ward who has been vocal in the past about JP....


http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705352897/Josh-Powell-has-left-Utah.html

 

[hollyblue]

"One of the biggest problems Susan had was that (Josh) talked to his dad for hours, more than he talked to her," said Tim P, a friend and member of the Powells' ward who has been vocal in the past about JP....


http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705352897/Josh-Powell-has-left-Utah.html

Thank you darlin gal, you are an angel. I was searching, but the criteria was too general and I couldn't remember if it was Tim or Kiirsi who had said it, but I remember it was an article. How in the world did you find it? I'm impressed. TY again.:angel: