Wayne Millard: Dellen Millard Charged With Murder In The First Degree #1

[SnooperDuper]

Why would there be a public outcry? The public have only been given one side so far, so they have nothing to counteract that with just yet.

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The public includes people who know the probable truth.

 

[swedie]

It sounds like he didn't realize what occurred at the property JMO. In Sept 2013 there were no LB or WM allegations so it is possible that he didn't believe anyone could be at his farm. He would have had limited information at that time IMO. JMO

Will bail reviews being a synopsis of the Crowns unchallenged position, it would be hard for any defense lawyer to counteract that without revealing their hand. JMO I would think that is the main reason that any defense would not apply for bail. Its not a shoplifting case so the stakes are higher JMO

I highly doubt that was the case. Four months later and his lawyer didn't tell him the guy he was accused of murdering, his remains where found incinerated on his farmland property? Seriously? And he's paying top dollar for this lawyer to work for him? And four months worth of court appearances didn't reveal that information? Nor the newspapers being delivered to him didn't carry this information?

I conclude DM knew and partook in what occurred on his farmland property on May 6, 2013. But that's MOO.

What do you suggest might have been in the defence's hand to reveal?

 

[Tamarind]

I highly doubt that was the case. Four months later and his lawyer didn't tell him the guy he was accused of murdering, his remains where found incinerated on his farmland property? Seriously? And he's paying top dollar for this lawyer to work for him? And four months worth of court appearances didn't reveal that information? Nor the newspapers being delivered to him didn't carry this information?

I conclude DM knew and partook in what occurred on his farmland property on May 6, 2013. But that's MOO.

What do you suggest might have been in the defence's hand to reveal?

It's all up for opinion Swedie. The defense lawyer will obviously present the defense version of events. This may well mean that in order to preserve the details and impact of the defenses case, the defense lawyer is saving the best for last. Like you say, he DP is being paid the big bucks so any client will be hoping he has a strategy to present the facts from the defense perspective JMO

 

[Tamarind]

<rsbm>

The public includes people who know the probable truth.

The people who are witnesses will be waiting to testify and will be being advised to not say anything to the press. JMO

 

[SnooperDuper]

The people who are witnesses will be waiting to testify and will be being advised to not say anything to the press. JMO

What's wrong with publicly declaring "I think he's innocent" or "I think he's wrongly accused"? Why will no one but DM's paid lawyer put his or her name to a statement like that?

 

[Tamarind]

What's wrong with publicly declaring "I think he's innocent" or "I think he's wrongly accused"? Why will no one but DM's paid lawyer put his or her name to a statement like that?

Oh I don't know, let me think. If I had information in the case that could help the defense and the defense lawyer advised me to write it all down and be prepared to testify, I would do just that. I would also fear for repercussions if some details would eventually point fingers in directions that could have dire consequences. JMO

 

[Alethea Dice]

I don't think I would want to stay in the area if I were wrongfully accused of such a crime. I think I would sell everything and move to a location that didn't have my name tarnished. Also somewhere with sunshine, this Canadian weather isn't too healthy. It is no surprise that I favor the presumption of innocence, and the right to a fair trial so based on that I see the selling of property as more of a release from the confines of injustice rather than the resignation to a life in jail. JMO IMO

This is true. There are so many people who believe that, if you're arrested, you must be guilty. Accused people have had to move away from their home town to avoid public harassment even when it was later determined that they were falsely accused and no crime had been committed, let alone when they have only been found "not guilty" at trial. Unfortunately, the press isn't usually so generous with the scope of their reporting when it is later determined that "oops, the witness lied, it never happened".

 

[Alethea Dice]

There's been no public outcry that LE's got the wrong people. Would DM be calling visits "precious" if all of his friends and family backed him and believed in his innocence? Would his best friends betray him and help sell off his toys? Would his mother sell DM's and her own house if she knew DM was innocent and was going to be out on bail and needed a place to stay? Where are the people putting their real names to cries that DM is innocent? No one, it seems, wants to taint their own name by declaring that belief publicly.

I wasn't there so I have no idea whether the visit being "precious" was said with sincerity or with sarcasm, but how is he supposed to get visits from all his friends, both believers and non-believers, if they are all on his do not contact list? If they are potential witnesses, how can they ask a reporter to tell the world how they feel and what they will be attesting to? If his best friend is helping him sell off his toys, how is that a betrayal? It's only a betrayal if the friend wasn't asked to sell them and was just helping himself. If they are selling all the assets, what difference does it make whether his mother sells her own house too? Maybe she doesn't want to go back to the same neighbourhood either. She hadn't been back for months after the arrest and the neighbours were all wondering where she was. If you're not using it, why not sell it? I highly doubt that she's now living on the street and has nowhere for DM to stay if needed. When she sold her house, why would she be thinking he was getting out on bail and needing a place to stay? By the time she sold her house, it had long since been reported that he wasn't applying for bail.

 

[Carli]

So anyway, re tattoos. (We haven't discussed those in at least, uhm, a month or so have we?) Anyway, I've finally lost patience. Much has been made of DM's boxed or unboxed tattoo on one or more wrists , yet nobody has yet mentioned the 2011 Wale "Ambition" tour.

http://creativeallies.com/creations/xdr

Should you be interested in emblazoning inspirational messages on your person, Wale also has rap tunes to help you through the pain of acquiring "Focus", "Gifted" and, if you're really a glutton for punishment, go for "I like the person that you are but I'm in love with the person that you have the potential to be - Wale". (Ouch!!!)

There's a passle of Wale tats at https://www.pinterest.com/Coolc9/rap-and-hip-hop/
and more "rap hip-hop tattoo ambition" tattoos all over the web.

https://www.google.ca/search?q=ambi...v&sa=X&ei=_gLbVMygBsTooAS5qIDICg&ved=0CBwQsAQ

For myself, I'm thinking of getting ahead of Canada's aging demographic avalanche with "O.A.P. Sux" tramp stamp. I'm not sure what this might achieve but, you know, tattoos don't really have an exit strategy.

 

[Carli]

What's wrong with publicly declaring "I think he's innocent" or "I think he's wrongly accused"? Why will no one but DM's paid lawyer put his or her name to a statement like that?

Because if anyone is actually close to the case in the accused's very small family, they are beyond doubt subjected to either a no-contact order or they may be informed that they may be called as witnesses at trial. Others, who are not associated with the family may, like many posters here, interested in hearing the evidence at trial before going out on any limb. Unlike the tragic victim in this case, neither of the accused can call on a compassionate international cadre of active supporters. The accused appear to be pretty much on their own. That situation, at the very least, is not their fault.

 

[Carli]

By the way, and not to put too fine a point on it, but weren't the MillardAir or DM's personal "toys" being sold by a former employee? Do we have any link to confirm that this was at the request of the accused or or MB, the current (I think) CEO? I noted, at the time, that the items were not available for viewing at the hangar but at a private Brantford address. I've lost the ads now, so can't confirm this.

 

[MsSherlock]

Just thinking about DM and his millions. Over the last 2 years, millions of dollars worth of real estate has been liquidated. The general assumption always is that DM is loaded-cashing out-freeing up cash, but what if? What if any money that DM did have access to is "frozen" pending the outcome of WM's murder trial? What if the income property and everything else was sold to repay lines of credit or other debts to the bank? There's actually the possibility that DM is flat broke and maybe that's why DP is MIA? MOO

 

[swedie]

Just thinking about DM and his millions. Over the last 2 years, millions of dollars worth of real estate has been liquidated. The general assumption always is that DM is loaded-cashing out-freeing up cash, but what if? What if any money that DM did have access to is "frozen" pending the outcome of WM's murder trial? What if the income property and everything else was sold to repay lines of credit or other debts to the bank? There's actually the possibility that DM is flat broke and maybe that's why DP is MIA? MOO

That's what I was thinking MsSherlock. Who's paying the taxes on the hangar? That alone is a huge chuck of money. The well has run dry and DP is handing the torch over to Mr. Pillay. That's JMO though.

That confirmation, however, hinges on Deepak Paradkar, who has been acting on behalf of Millard. As of recently, he has not been officially retained by his client, holding up the trial date process at recent court appearances.

Paradkar could not be reached for comment.

Last September, Paradkar told me money is not an issue for Millard and he expected to be on the record by the beginning of November.

Paradkar is representing Millard along with co-counsel Ravin Pillay.

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/5262706-co-accused-in-bosma-murder-case-faces-new-charge/


Oh lookie here! Seems Mr. Pillay also works for Legal Aid...hmm. Legal Services, Nsk

http://www.manta.com/ic/mtqpyb8/ca/...x75j2aA.3&utm_referrer=https://www.google.ca/

 

[SnooperDuper]

I wasn't there so I have no idea whether the visit being "precious" was said with sincerity or with sarcasm,

The accused killer, who celebrated his birthday in jail on Aug. 30, said that "getting a visit is so rare" and called this visit from a reporter "precious."

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/4075078-exclusive-jail-visits-with-bosma-s-accused-killers/

Sounds sincere?

but how is he supposed to get visits from all his friends, both believers and non-believers, if they are all on his do not contact list?

Well if absolutely everyone DM knew, knew what he was up to, he's definitely got a problem.

If they are potential witnesses, how can they ask a reporter to tell the world how they feel and what they will be attesting to? If his best friend is helping him sell off his toys, how is that a betrayal? It's only a betrayal if the friend wasn't asked to sell them and was just helping himself. If they are selling all the assets, what difference does it make whether his mother sells her own house too? Maybe she doesn't want to go back to the same neighbourhood either. She hadn't been back for months after the arrest and the neighbours were all wondering where she was. If you're not using it, why not sell it? I highly doubt that she's now living on the street and has nowhere for DM to stay if needed. When she sold her house, why would she be thinking he was getting out on bail and needing a place to stay? By the time she sold her house, it had long since been reported that he wasn't applying for bail.

I think people want distance.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Just thinking about DM and his millions. Over the last 2 years, millions of dollars worth of real estate has been liquidated. The general assumption always is that DM is loaded-cashing out-freeing up cash, but what if? What if any money that DM did have access to is "frozen" pending the outcome of WM's murder trial? What if the income property and everything else was sold to repay lines of credit or other debts to the bank? There's actually the possibility that DM is flat broke and maybe that's why DP is MIA? MOO

I hope they are talking to the M family and MA business accountants. Poor little rich boy could be broke, I guess. If much were frozen after the death of WM, perhaps DM felt he had rights to a new truck but no money, and decided to make things "right" for himself.

Part of me feels DM was just too spoiled to understand where the lines are normally drawn. A kid you can't say no to. And none to brilliant, either: just a truly indulged, big kid (just like his father?)

 

[SnooperDuper]

CM died in November 2006 http://woodstock.news.halinet.on.ca/954956/data?n=9

...but the family home was not transferred to WM/DM until April 2008

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/2875113-millard-already-owned-truck-and-several-properties/

All these things take time, I guess.

 

[Alethea Dice]

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/4075078-exclusive-jail-visits-with-bosma-s-accused-killers/

Sounds sincere?

It's pretty hard to tell what someone's tone sounds like from the written word. But no, it doesn't necessarily sound sincere to me, especially with the use of the word "precious". This was a response to a reporter who showed up unannounced and unexpected and who did not get the interview that she was apparently hoping for - an interview where basically all she got from him was an "I want to talk to you...but I just can't" before he ended the visit. One would think, if the visit was so "precious", that he might have hung around a bit longer in the hopes of having a conversation about things that he could talk about.

Well if absolutely everyone DM knew, knew what he was up to, he's definitely got a problem.


I think people want distance.

Why would you think absolutely everyone he knew would have known "what he was up to"? The press didn't spend a lot of time looking for people who didn't have something bad to say about him. There were a few articles that included a brief blurb from people who did say something good, or expressed any surprise that he would have been charged for something like this, but those have mostly been ignored.

 

[Alethea Dice]

I hope they are talking to the M family and MA business accountants. Poor little rich boy could be broke, I guess. If much were frozen after the death of WM, perhaps DM felt he had rights to a new truck but no money, and decided to make things "right" for himself.

Part of me feels DM was just too spoiled to understand where the lines are normally drawn. A kid you can't say no to. And none to brilliant, either: just a truly indulged, big kid (just like his father?)

It seems he had enough to purchase a condo in 2013 for cash so I guess everything wasn't frozen after WM's death. Because he paid cash for that, I'm pretty sure there would have been enough for him to buy a "new" 2007 truck.

http://www.macleans.ca/general/suspect-in-test-drive-death-bought-condo-the-day-after-tim-bosmas-disappearance/

 

[robynhood]

the point remains that everyone Knows NOW what Dm is accused of...and I am sure ..JMHO that they do not want to appear visiting someone up for 3 counts of murder ....and I feel is the BIGGEST case to hit our courts this year 2015....Go by any courthouse in Ont when a murder trial is going on and see the media swarming the outside.IMO I certainly would not want be visiting any where near the JAIL where DM or MS are ...but than that is Just my logical Opinion....MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO....robynhood!

 

[Sillybilly]

It seems he had enough to purchase a condo in 2013 for cash so I guess everything wasn't frozen after WM's death. Because he paid cash for that, I'm pretty sure there would have been enough for him to buy a "new" 2007 truck.

http://www.macleans.ca/general/suspect-in-test-drive-death-bought-condo-the-day-after-tim-bosmas-disappearance/

But a 'cash deal' in real estate doesn't mean he had access to cash and physically walked in a laid down gobs of money. A cash deal basically means that the vendor received the full amount agreed upon (i.e. pre-approved financing for the full amount, no vendor take-back, etc). DM could have been cash-strapped but was good on paper, arranging a mortgage using both the condo and other unencumbered property as security for a mortgage.