Wayne Millard: Dellen Millard Charged With Murder In The First Degree #1

[Tamarind]

There still could be texts found through other phones owned by DM. People often assume texts are not as traceable as email...

Maybe because you cannot see who is writing the text especially with a phone that is registered to no-one! Emails usually link back to a server and then a computer I believe.

 

[Sillybilly]

"Police said that phone records revealed that one of the suspect’s had obtained a cellphone under a fake name three months ago, with most calls made in Toronto’s west end. That phone has not been used since Bosma’s disappearance."

Now that's interesting. Never really noticed that before. So who, in this parade of fools, lived or lives in Toronto's west end?

http://www.torontoneighbourhoods.net/neighbourhoods/west-end

Dufferin to Jane. The lake to St Clair Ave. And including High Park???? Wheee. Now this is different!!! MOO.

Depends which article you read ...

from:
http://torontowestforsale.com/Neighbourhoods

The Kingsway is a premier residential neighbourhood in Toronto's west end. It is located in the former City of Etobicoke, an area that became the west end of Toronto upon amalgamation in 1998.

Maple Gate Court in Etobicoke (off Markland Dr) has Markland Woods to the south and Centennial Park to the north, both of which are considered to be in Toronto's west end.

http://torontowestforsale.com/Neighbourhoods/Islington-City-Centre

 

[swedie]

Well wouldn't that be something if MWJ sold DM a burner phone and the gun used to murder his father. MOO.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Maybe because you cannot see who is writing the text especially with a phone that is registered to no-one! Emails usually link back to a server and then a computer I believe.

SMS (texts) also link back to an account (the phone was registered to someone after all) and a server at the phone company, that may keep the text messages on file for years.

 

[SnooperDuper]

"Police said that phone records revealed that one of the suspect’s had obtained a cellphone under a fake name three months ago, with most calls made in Toronto’s west end. That phone has not been used since Bosma’s disappearance."

Now that's interesting. Never really noticed that before. So who, in this parade of fools, lived or lives in Toronto's west end?

http://www.torontoneighbourhoods.net/neighbourhoods/west-end

Dufferin to Jane. The lake to St Clair Ave. And including High Park???? Wheee. Now this is different!!! MOO.

Etobicoke - all of them?

 

[SnooperDuper]

Did the one buying use the DM email that was apparently being used by another? I wonder which employees of MA had use of company cards? Just wondering. So many questions, so few answers. IMO

Just because some other employee acting as an administrative assistant filled in DM's email address on a form, it does not mean the admin has access to that email, just as having that admin fill in the boss's home address does not mean the admin has the keys to that house.

There is no proof that anyone else had access to DM's email account, even if someone referenced it by filling that value in on a form.

It is good for LE that DM has a Hotmail address though! Microsoft proudly collaborates with LE to catch bad guys, and they have an amazing feature now on webmail: you can delete things, empty your Deleted Items, and they are not truly deleted! You can go back and recover completely "deleted" mail if you use Hotmail. Things are never truly deleted!

 

[Tamarind]

Just because some other employee acting as an administrative assistant filled in DM's email address on a form, it does not mean the admin has access to that email, just as having that admin fill in the boss's home address does not mean the admin has the keys to that house.

It also does not mean that DM had access either ! Hotmail accounts can be set up by anyone if the name is available ! Talking of keys to houses, I wonder who had access to DM's house ?

There is no proof that anyone else had access to DM's email account, even if someone referenced it by filling that value in on a form.

There is no proof that DM even had access to it ! We have no idea at all who set up that account. But we do know that someone other than DM was using it, whether to set up somethimg or to use as an email account. We do NOT have that same proof that DM was using it IMO

It is good for LE that DM has a Hotmail address though!

As I just said, we do not know it was DM that created that hotmail account. Hotmail accounts are created by anyone in any available name !

Microsoft proudly collaborates with LE to catch bad guys, and they have an amazing feature now on webmail: you can delete things, empty your Deleted Items, and they are not truly deleted! You can go back and recover completely "deleted" mail if you use Hotmail. Things are never truly deleted!

Maybe that means that the true user of the account will have put some clues in the emails themselves. Just signing off as D.Millard or Dell or Mr Millard will not really prove anything if the user is using the account per proxy or because they decided to use an account in DM's name.

 

[cansleuther]

Talking of keys to houses, I wonder who had access to DM's house ?

That's an interesting question. Did DM provide all of the various "basement dwellers" over the years with their own keys? And, if so, did he ask them to return the keys when they moved out?

 

[ABro]

French, Francy, Franco-Ontarian.

Who can spot the gaulicisms in DM's July 2013 jailhouse letter. There are quie a few.:jail:

 

[Tamarind]

That's an interesting question. Did DM provide all of the various "basement dwellers" over the years with their own keys? And, if so, did he ask them to return the keys when they moved out?

Maybe, or maybe a key was left outside in one of those magnetic boxes or under a pot. Many people may have had access for all we know. JMO

 

[Tamarind]

French, Francy, Franco-Ontarian.

Who can spot the gaulicisms in DM's July 2013 jailhouse letter. There are quie a few.:jail:

I don't see them, can you point them out?

 

[Deleted member 102539]

www.mississauga.com/news-story/5319...ives-find-new-evidence-to-lay-murder-charges/

Even though this man's body was cremated, detectives find new evidence to lay murder charges

In an interview last year with The Mississauga News, Homicide Insp. George Koekkoek said that normally when a case is re-examined to determine if it's a homicide, a potential option for investigators is to exhume the body for forensic testing.

But since Harrison was cremated, that isn't an option.

"...Forensically, there's nothing we can do, but there are other avenues of investigation that may lead us to a different conclusion," Koekkoek said.


Re Wayne M.'s death .... a creepy story too (also on WS).

 

[swedie]

www.mississauga.com/news-story/5319...ives-find-new-evidence-to-lay-murder-charges/

Even though this man's body was cremated, detectives find new evidence to lay murder charges

In an interview last year with The Mississauga News, Homicide Insp. George Koekkoek said that normally when a case is re-examined to determine if it's a homicide, a potential option for investigators is to exhume the body for forensic testing.

But since Harrison was cremated, that isn't an option.

"...Forensically, there's nothing we can do, but there are other avenues of investigation that may lead us to a different conclusion," Koekkoek said.


Re Wayne M.'s death .... a creepy story too (also on WS).

Interesting case ForGermany and thanks for sharing. Cannot wait to find out how LE untangled that web to determine all 3 were murder cases and then to have charged those two. This tidbit from the TO Star I found interesting. Will have to go over and read up more on the forum which I linked at the bottom should anyone wish to read also. MOO.

Detectives are conducting a “complete 360,” delving into his history, which is a complicated one. Terrible things have befallen the Harrisons and others connected to them: an assault conviction, a jail term for a drunk driving death, an abduction and a house fire, to name a few.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-mystery-**ARRESTS**&highlight=Caleb+Harrison

 

[SnooperDuper]

High stakes: DM has liquidated everything and no doubt reinvested it. He faced 75 years in prison, which means his millions will grow to a phenomenal sum while he awaits freedom (death) and the money will never be used by him or his (non-existent) offspring. Distant family members will inherit, and DM will die in prison. Or, has he signed everything over to MB in acknowledgement of this?

It is possible that DM has so much ego that he insists on going to trial...or is he well-educated enough to see the inevitable and has he (and MS) begun to negotiate a plea so that DM may enjoy his money and freedom one more time before death?

Why has DM not applied for bail? Is there no hope of bail in face of the direct indictment?

Why has he been held in segregation, and like PB, will he remain in segregation when he serves his sentence?

What is the best tactic for DM: face a trial, with a faint hope of winning, or negotiate now so that the terms of his imprisonment and parole are more favourable to him?

ETA: At this point IMO DP is not on record for the trial, because DM is hoping to avoid one.

 

[swedie]

High stakes: DM has liquidated everything and no doubt reinvested it. He faced 75 years in prison, which means his millions will grow to a phenomenal sum while he awaits freedom (death) and the money will never be used by him or his (non-existent) offspring. Distant family members will inherit, and DM will die in prison. Or, has he signed everything over to MB in acknowledgement of this?

It is possible that DM has so much ego that he insists on going to trial...or is he well-educated enough to see the inevitable and has he (and MS) begun to negotiate a plea so that DM may enjoy his money and freedom one more time before death?

Why has DM not applied for bail? Is there no hope of bail in face of the direct indictment?

Why has he been held in segregation, and like PB, will he remain in segregation when he serves his sentence?

What is the best tactic for DM: face a trial, with a faint hope of winning, or negotiate now so that the terms of his imprisonment and parole are more favourable to him?

ETA: At this point IMO DP is not on record for the trial, because DM is hoping to avoid one.

Snooper do you think there is the possibility the money well has dried up? DP is not getting paid any more, therefore it's game over? Although there is still the hangar, there is that possibility it cannot be sold due to Civil Forfeiture:

The Criminal Code of Canada, the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act
and numerous other statutes contain provisions that allow for the seizure or
restraint of tainted assets in the course of a criminal investigation and provide for
forfeiture upon conviction. Other federal statutes also provide for seizure,
restraint and forfeiture through adoption of the Criminal Code regime. Criminal
seizure, restraint and forfeiture apply to assets derived or obtained directly or
indirectly from the commission of almost all criminal offences.
Criminal asset forfeiture is primarily conviction-based, meaning the Crown
usually must first obtain a criminal conviction against an offender in order to seek
a forfeiture order. The Crown must establish, on a balance of probabilities, that
the target asset arose from or was used in the commission of an offence.

http://www.attorneygeneral.jus.gov.on.ca/english/about/pubs/20070824_CRIA_Update.pdf

MOO.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

I don't have access to the Bosma/Dellen Millard thread and I'm wondering, whether I'm the only one or others have the same problem?

 

[bessie]

The thread has been pulled for review. Again.

Seems there are those who would like the Bosma/Millard/Babcock discussions to shut down. Don't worry. It ain't happenin'.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Snooper do you think there is the possibility the money well has dried up? DP is not getting paid any more, therefore it's game over? Although there is still the hangar, there is that possibility it cannot be sold due to Civil Forfeiture:

The Criminal Code of Canada, the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act
and numerous other statutes contain provisions that allow for the seizure or
restraint of tainted assets in the course of a criminal investigation and provide for
forfeiture upon conviction. Other federal statutes also provide for seizure,
restraint and forfeiture through adoption of the Criminal Code regime. Criminal
seizure, restraint and forfeiture apply to assets derived or obtained directly or
indirectly from the commission of almost all criminal offences.
Criminal asset forfeiture is primarily conviction-based, meaning the Crown
usually must first obtain a criminal conviction against an offender in order to seek
a forfeiture order. The Crown must establish, on a balance of probabilities, that
the target asset arose from or was used in the commission of an offence.

http://www.attorneygeneral.jus.gov.on.ca/english/about/pubs/20070824_CRIA_Update.pdf

MOO.

Well the hangar is a white elephant. Who can you sell it to, especially as the country faces another economic downturn? There just aren't enough buyers, I'd bet, to get a fair price for the hangar, and that is no doubt why DM still holds it. The value of the 6-plex was claimed by the bank, but that still leaves millions in real estate.

I think DM still has loads of money (and big but far from insurmountable legal bills). DM biggest problem is IMO the fact that he turned out to be the kind of guy everyone first imagined: a rich, self-centred playboy. No doubt he would like a deal, but any deal that leaves DM to live his life freely with his investment-bolstered millions years in the future is not going to be justice in many people's eyes. I am sure someone is going to argue that DM felt so entitled, he thought nothing of killing others. The idea of ever reuniting this man with his money and freedom is repellant, IMO.

 

[Tamarind]

Well the hangar is a white elephant. Who can you sell it to, especially as the country faces another economic downturn? There just aren't enough buyers, I'd bet, to get a fair price for the hangar, and that is no doubt why DM still holds it. The value of the 6-plex was claimed by the bank, but that still leaves millions in real estate.

I think DM still has loads of money (and big but far from insurmountable legal bills). DM biggest problem is IMO the fact that he turned out to be the kind of guy everyone first imagined: a rich, self-centred playboy. No doubt he would like a deal, but any deal that leaves DM to live his life freely with his investment-bolstered millions years in the future is not going to be justice in many people's eyes. I am sure someone is going to argue that DM felt so entitled, he thought nothing of killing others. The idea of ever reuniting this man with his money and freedom is repellant, IMO.

Unless he is not guilty as charged.

 

[Carli]

The hangar is a corporate asset, not a personal one and the corporation has not been charged with any crimes. It's also not immediately evident how the company benefited from crime. Nevertheless, I suppose it might eventually be possible to nab DM's shares under the civil seizure regulations, in the event that DM is convicted.

I recall there were also a number of large municipal and other government loans associated with building the hangar, so given the company's inactivity and the current circumstances of its CEO, I think seizure could basically have the effect of having the gov agencies and the banks absorbing the bad debts. IMO. While a decision to relieve him of his shares in a debt burdened corporation might be profoundly welcomed by DM, that's rather far from the intention of the legislation. MOO.