Wayne Millard: Dellen Millard Charged With Murder In The First Degree #1

[deugirtni]

The possibility exists that any LE didn't/doesn't do a good job every time when dealing with a stated suicide. Apparently a homicide is mistaken for a suicide often enough that guides and books have been written. Add to that the volume that TPS has to deal with on a daily basis. Add to that the fact that at the time, WM was nothing but a reputable individual with no weird reasons to suspect his son. Who would've thought? Really! I just hope that ME and TPS did all the tests and took all the photos they would need to prove one way or another. Was DM checked for GSR?? I hope so! Was WM?
TPS obviously didn't do a good job in pursuing the LB case. It seems that TPS isn't the only service that doesn't take seriously the status of women known to be involved in the things it is said that LB was involved in.
If TPS didnt' do an outstanding job in the above 2 cases, it is only due to lack of interest, little work done, whereas with the TB case, obviously everyone put their 'all' into that one, and they clearly did an outstanding job, which fortunately also led them to pick up the balls they dropped on the other 2 cases.

 

[Sillybilly]

So according to that link it seems to suggest that it would be a possibility that LE were not doing a good job? I am just wondering then, why if it is assumed that LE were not doing a good job identifying a homicide and documented it incorrectly as a suicide, why are we supposed to believe that they have done an exquisite job with the TB and LB cases? Is infallibility case sensitive? Just a thought.

IIRC, TPS revisited WM's death and were investigating LB's disappearance, and then the cases were handed over to the OPP Major Case Management ("Project Capella" .. fresh eyes) ... additional charges for the murders of WM and LB were subsequently laid.

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2...osma_killing_charged_with_2_more_murders.html

 

[redheadedgal]

The possibility exists that any LE didn't/doesn't do a good job every time when dealing with a stated suicide. Apparently a homicide is mistaken for a suicide often enough that guides and books have been written.

and then there was the time pittsburgh police mistook a movie set for a grisly murder :facepalm:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-set-murder-scene-grisly-murder-35-years.html

 

[drlucas]

I don't see where Tamarind said he was shot in a different part of the body, but the original releases only said the left side of the head

Was WM left handed? I've never handled a gun before (shotgun or hand pistol) but I am right handed and my first instinct would be to hold a pistol in my strong hand.

IMO this could be important info but I'm sure there are more important facts to come out in 2015 when this gets to the courts.

 

[Tamarind]

Was WM left handed? I've never handled a gun before (shotgun or hand pistol) but I am right handed and my first instinct would be to hold a pistol in my strong hand.

IMO this could be important info but I'm sure there are more important facts to come out in 2015 when this gets to the courts.

After attempting to act out lifting a revolver with my right hand to use as if for a suicide, I found that if I consciously lifted my right hand in a slow manner, it would be easier to place it to the temple than if you decided to use the gun on impulse. I think that if you were acting impulsively you would likely quickly grab, and not aim, thereby shooting towards face. Also I think if someone was depressed and leaning on their gun, it is very likely the trigger would be pulled and again the face/eye area would be a strong possibility. To me it's more theatrical to place gun to temple. If shooting at close range it's not likely you are going to survive even with a scull bone between the gun and the brain tissue, if the face is aimed at I would imagine a large chunk of the face and eye area would be blown away, I don't see it as being odd at all. JMO

I know you weren't saying anything about eye area drlucas, but your post got me thinking about it, thats why I replied with a quote.

 

[Tamarind]

and then there was the time pittsburgh police mistook a movie set for a grisly murder :facepalm:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-set-murder-scene-grisly-murder-35-years.html

I wonder how many 'movie sets' have been the scene of a murder(s) ? just wondering.

 

[matou]

I wonder if WM ever met Laura before she died? I wonder if Laura ever spent any time in his home?

 

[Tamarind]

I wonder if WM ever met Laura before she died? I wonder if Laura ever spent any time in his home?

Lets say he did and she did, what significance would that have in your opinion?

 

[Arnie M]

I wonder if WM ever met Laura before she died? I wonder if Laura ever spent any time in his home?

I bet he did ... and I bet he may even have figured out what happened to her , and maybe WM finally came to the stark realization that the path his son was taking was opposite to the path he envisioned for him

WM was most definitely a major victim in this whole tragedy , he was respected and highly thought of by most who knew him. The worse thing anyone could ever say about him was that he cared too much about nature and animals , and that he wore his hair a little too long when he flew for the National Airlines. That's about it.

If WM did take his own life .... maybe it was because his only alternative was to turn DM & associates in to police which would make all WM's plans come crashing down ..... that would be an extremely tough position for any father to be in.

Or possibly an ethical WM told DM he HAD to turn him in .... then DM HAD to remove WM so that HIS plans did not come crashing down

I expect one , or both those scenarios will come out at trial . LB had been missing for over 4 months , the incinerator had been purchased back then , rumors floating around , inadvertent things mentioned during parties at the house .... WM could have figured it out , he was no dummy.

 

[Tamarind]

I bet he did ... and I bet he may even have figured out what happened to her , and maybe WM finally came to the stark realization that the path his son was taking was opposite to the path he envisioned for him

Do we know that he knew she was missing? Do we know that WM would have suspected his son in her disappearance?

WM was most definitely a major victim in this whole tragedy , he was respected and highly thought of by most who knew him. The worse thing anyone could ever say about him was that he cared too much about nature and animals , and that he wore his hair a little too long when he flew for the National Airlines. That's about it.

Yes I agree WM was a victim, we just need to find out for sure whose victim. IMO

If WM did take his own life .... maybe it was because his only alternative was to turn DM & associates in to police which would make all WM's plans come crashing down ..... that would be an extremely tough position for any father to be in.

Why would that be his only alternative ? It would be a tough thing for a father to realize that his father before him and his own business ventures were about to crash around him and he could not leave his only son the dynasty that his own father had built up. Now that IMO would be catastrophic for WM and likely to plummet him into a deep despair. JMO

Or possibly an ethical WM told DM he HAD to turn him in .... then DM HAD to remove WM so that HIS plans did not come crashing down I expect one , or both those scenarios will come out at trial . LB had been missing for over 4 months , the incinerator had been purchased back then , rumors floating around , inadvertent things mentioned during parties at the house .... WM could have figured it out , he was no dummy.

How does the incinerator relate to LB?

 

[matou]

LE has stated that she was incinerated.

By Susan Clairmont

Homicide detectives believe Dellen Millard bought a gun illegally and used it to murder his father. And that he also murdered Laura Babcock and incinerated her body — just as he allegedly did with Tim Bosma.

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/4...ed-bosma-killer-s-girlfriend-was-incinerated/

The incinerator was purchased at around the time she went missing. Many links already posted.

 

[Tamarind]

LE has stated that she was incinerated.

By Susan Clairmont

Homicide detectives believe Dellen Millard bought a gun illegally and used it to murder his father. And that he also murdered Laura Babcock and incinerated her body — just as he allegedly did with Tim Bosma.

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/4...ed-bosma-killer-s-girlfriend-was-incinerated/

The incinerator was purchased at around the time she went missing. Many links already posted.

So there is still no body? Homicide detectives 'believe' ... so this is not based on a fact as yet?

 

[SnooperDuper]

I bet he did ... and I bet he may even have figured out what happened to her , and maybe WM finally came to the stark realization that the path his son was taking was opposite to the path he envisioned for him

WM was most definitely a major victim in this whole tragedy , he was respected and highly thought of by most who knew him. The worse thing anyone could ever say about him was that he cared too much about nature and animals , and that he wore his hair a little too long when he flew for the National Airlines. That's about it.

If WM did take his own life .... maybe it was because his only alternative was to turn DM & associates in to police which would make all WM's plans come crashing down ..... that would be an extremely tough position for any father to be in.

Or possibly an ethical WM told DM he HAD to turn him in .... then DM HAD to remove WM so that HIS plans did not come crashing down

I expect one , or both those scenarios will come out at trial . LB had been missing for over 4 months , the incinerator had been purchased back then , rumors floating around , inadvertent things mentioned during parties at the house .... WM could have figured it out , he was no dummy.

I like your post, Arnie.

I seems that DM was associating with people with criminal records, at least 2 or which had faced charges for trafficking in cocaine.

Why did DM have these kinds of people around him?

What could WM and MB, or LB's parents do, in the face of what really seems to be some serious drug problems with their children? NO ONE can force you into rehab. Not even your parents.

What could WM and MB, or LB's parents do?

 

[Arnie M]

So there is still no body? Homicide detectives 'believe' ... so this is not based on a fact as yet?

If you are expecting everybody to supply you with literal facts , you will be waiting for a long time

Our justice system gathers as much evidence as it can and presents it to a judge or jury who decide if it is believable or doubtful

And that is a fact !!!

 

[matou]

DM and Smich are charged with the FIRST DEGREE MURDER of Laura Babcock. This means LE believe she is dead. They also believe that she was incinerated. What evidence does LE have to arrest not only DM for this murder but also Smich? We don't know that info. There is no body, true. But they believe she is dead. I'm curious to see what the evidence is for the charges. Maybe someone is informing police with info. Maybe someone who is also charged with another crime. JMO

 

[Tamarind]

If you are expecting everybody to supply you with literal facts , you will be waiting for a long time

Our justice system gathers as much evidence as it can and presents it to a judge or jury who decide if it is believable or doubtful

And that is a fact !!!

Yes thats the point I have been making, there are very few literal facts in this case. Evidence, circumstantial evidence and some speculation and inferences are gathered by the police, who are not the justice system as far as I can tell. The police then forward that to the crown prosecutors who begin to make it into a package ready to present to the court and to the defense in the form of disclosure. The crown presents this to the judge or jury and the defense presents their counter. Based on the two versions of events the jury or judge decides which is more believable, either the crown or the defense. The justice is supposed to be the part where the jury or judge reaches a decision.

 

[Sphinx]

There was likely some trace evidence in the barn, or in the near vicinity of the incinerator. There was tv news footage of police carrying a plank out of the barn with a paper bag over one end. There was speculation at the time that Laura's body may have been tied to it, and moved this way. The bag could have been covering blood and/or hairs on the plank. If either were there, and contained her DNA that would be quite strong evidence. If they had that, along with a statement from a witness, I can see them reaching the conclusion that she was murdered, and that the body was disposed of on the farm.

 

[Carli]

Hmmm. I think maybe we're in the wrong thread with this, Sphinx. I'm moving my reply over to the Laura Babcock forum.

 

[Alethea Dice]

I like your post, Arnie.

I seems that DM was associating with people with criminal records, at least 2 or which had faced charges for trafficking in cocaine.

When was MS charged with trafficking? Although I wouldn't be surprised if he was selling, the only charges I know about are 2 drug possessions (including cocaine and magic mushrooms), 2 failing to comply (failure to appear and breach of curfew), impaired driving and the pending mischief charge for the graffiti.

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/dailybrew/tim-bosma-murder-suspect-mark-smich-162553578.html

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/05/23/we-will-be-defending-this-case-vigorously-second-accused-in-tim-bosma-murder-case-to-plead-not-guilty/

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/chilling-details-emerge-in-mysterious-bosma-case/article12757899/

 

[Arnie M]

Yes thats the point I have been making, there are very few literal facts in this case. Evidence, circumstantial evidence and some speculation and inferences are gathered by the police, who are not the justice system as far as I can tell. The police then forward that to the crown prosecutors who begin to make it into a package ready to present to the court and to the defense in the form of disclosure. The crown presents this to the judge or jury and the defense presents their counter. Based on the two versions of events the jury or judge decides which is more believable, either the crown or the defense. The justice is supposed to be the part where the jury or judge reaches a decision.

You just dont get it .... there is obviously plenty of evidence available to bring several major charges against several people.

Just because you (we) dont know what it is (yet) means absolutely nothing.

LE and Prosecutors are probably still working overtime piecing it all together.