Wayne Millard: Dellen Millard Charged With Murder In The First Degree #1

[Arnie M]

When was MS charged with trafficking? Although I wouldn't be surprised if he was selling, the only charges I know about are 2 drug possessions (including cocaine and magic mushrooms), 2 failing to comply (failure to appear and breach of curfew), impaired driving and the pending mischief charge for the graffiti.

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/dailybrew/tim-bosma-murder-suspect-mark-smich-162553578.html

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/05/23/we-will-be-defending-this-case-vigorously-second-accused-in-tim-bosma-murder-case-to-plead-not-guilty/

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/chilling-details-emerge-in-mysterious-bosma-case/article12757899/

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For what its worth , here is a picture of MS graffiti

The message implies SATAN .... not SAINT

Big difference

 

[Carli]

Here's a shotgun / long gun. Most long guns are highly restricted but legal in Canada.



Their ammo is a self contained cylinder loaded with balls of lead shot that expode on contact and pretty much rip the contact point to pieces.

You can find lots more at http://readynutrition.com/resources/how-to-choose-the-best-tactical-and-survival-shotgun_29102013/

and here's a popular handgun /pistol



And lots more Glock pistol choices, including automatic pistols at http://us.glock.com/products

They shoot bullets.

Handguns are not legal in Canada except for law enforcement etc.

As you can tell it would be quite challenging to shoot yourself with a shotgun, unless you had long arms and, as I pointed out earlier, the close range shot explosion would likely not be very well defined.

It's not surprising that in Canada people are unaware of the various kinds of guns. Many, if not most of us have never seen an actual gun except in the movies or on TV.

HTH.

 

[Tamarind]

You just dont get it .... there is obviously plenty of evidence available to bring several major charges against several people.

I think I most definitely do 'get it' ! I get that there is some circumstantial evidence and that there is a lot of speculation and inference in the cases against DM. Allegations are one thing, but truth, proof, facts and jury deliberations are another.

Just because you (we) dont know what it is (yet) means absolutely nothing.

We don't know what? What the presented 'evidence' is?
Whatever it is would be in the same type of presentation box as that of Milgaard, Truscott, Morin and everyone else , I suspect. Some are accurate and some are not.

LE and Prosecutors are probably still working overtime piecing it all together.

Probably, I expect they are still trying to piece it together, trying to make pieces fit somehow. I'll agree with that.

 

[Sillybilly]

Yes thats the point I have been making, there are very few literal facts in this case. Evidence, circumstantial evidence and some speculation and inferences are gathered by the police, who are not the justice system as far as I can tell.

<rsbm>

The courts are just one component of the Canadian criminal justice system.

From the National Criminal Justice Reference Service

https://www.ncjrs.gov/App/publications/abstract.aspx?ID=152222

Understanding the Canadian Criminal Justice System: Process Chart and Handbook

Annotation: This document is designed to help criminal justice system clients in Canada understand the system and its legislative and organizational foundation.

Abstract: The Canadian criminal justice system is comprised of three major components -- police, courts, and correctional services --

 

[Tamarind]

<rsbm>

The courts are just one component of the Canadian criminal justice system.

From the National Criminal Justice Reference Service

https://www.ncjrs.gov/App/publications/abstract.aspx?ID=152222

Police cannot be judge and/or jury, they cannot exact justice. Regardless of what that link says !

Separation of powers.

 

[Alethea Dice]

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For what its worth , here is a picture of MS graffiti

The message implies SATAN .... not SAINT

Big difference

View attachment 64060

Did someone say he was a saint? What does this have to do with a trafficking charge?

 

[Sillybilly]

Police cannot be judge and/or jury, they cannot exact justice. Regardless of what that link says !

Separation of powers.

Your original post said "police are not the justice system, as far as I can tell". I provided a factual link that shows they are considered part of the justice system in Canada, along with the courts.

I responded to the wording in your original post by providing factual links to back up my statement ... and then you move the goalposts. Why get angsty with me when I was only responding to your original post?

Don't get it :waitasec:

 

[Tamarind]

Your original post said "police are not the justice system, as far as I can tell". I provided a factual link that shows they are considered part of the justice system in Canada, along with the courts.

I responded to the wording in your original post by providing factual links to back up my statement ... and then you move the goalposts. Why get angsty with me when I was only responding to your original post?

Right, I said 'they are not THE justice system' . I still say it. No goalposts are moved, no-one is angsty (?) I am sorry you misinterpreted my post. We are even now

 

[SnooperDuper]

When was MS charged with trafficking? Although I wouldn't be surprised if he was selling, the only charges I know about are 2 drug possessions (including cocaine and magic mushrooms), 2 failing to comply (failure to appear and breach of curfew), impaired driving and the pending mischief charge for the graffiti.

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/dailybrew/tim-bosma-murder-suspect-mark-smich-162553578.html

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/05/23/we-will-be-defending-this-case-vigorously-second-accused-in-tim-bosma-murder-case-to-plead-not-guilty/

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/chilling-details-emerge-in-mysterious-bosma-case/article12757899/

Something slightly differnt (but vague) here:

Court records show that Smich has several criminal convictions, including possession for the purpose of trafficking in 2006 and impaired driving in 2010. He was also scheduled to appear in court on a charge of mischief next month.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/2nd-suspect-named-in-tim-bosma-slaying-1.1329948

 

[Sillybilly]

Something slightly differnt (but vague) here:



http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/2nd-suspect-named-in-tim-bosma-slaying-1.1329948

My understanding of the "possession for the purpose of trafficking" charge is that it is not simple possession in smaller quantity that would indicate it was for personal use but that the person is in possession of a greater amount that would indicate the intention to traffic, even though they were not caught in the actual act of trafficking it.

Scroll down to "Drug Offences":

http://www.defencelaw.com/printversion-chart-contents.html

 

[Arnie M]

Did someone say he was a saint? What does this have to do with a trafficking charge?

-it has nothing to do with the trafficking charge
-it has to do with the mischief charge (graffiti)
-which YOU just mentioned in your post , thank you
-and I decided to post a picture of the graffiti
-I dont think it has been shown before now
-it was not directed toward you specifically

 

[Alethea Dice]

-it has nothing to do with the trafficking charge
-it has to do with the mischief charge (graffiti)
-which YOU just mentioned in your post , thank you
-and I decided to post a picture of the graffiti
-I dont think it has been shown before now
-it was not directed toward you specifically

Sorry, Arnie. You replied to my post and I didn't know what you were getting at. Which I shouldn't have assumed since I've jumped off someone's post many times myself, not because I was actually responding to it, but because it made me think of something. Thanks.

 

[MsSherlock]

We don't know what? What the presented 'evidence' is?
Whatever it is would be in the same type of presentation box as that of Milgaard, Truscott, Morin and everyone else , I suspect. Some are accurate and some are not.
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FWIW, IMHO, the Truscott case is from another time era. Things have changed- a lot. Milgaard and Morin were in fact wrongfully prosecuted and the prime time witness was DNA. Even though they were accused for murders that had happened 45 and 30 years ago respectively, they were both exonerated in the mid 90's, only on the availability of DNA testing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overturned_convictions_in_Canada

"It's not just prosecutors and police who have embraced DNA testing. While genetic matches are extremely reliable in fingering criminals, they're virtually foolproof in exonerating the innocent"
http://content.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1905706,00.html

Perhaps I've watched too many episodes of CSI or the Forensic Files, but IMO it's almost impossible for a person not to leave some type of DNA behind. In todays world, DNA releases the wrongfully convicted and DNA tells no tales in locking the guilty up. We're in an era of prosecution/conviction by science and technology and I personally think LE have these guys nailed. MOO

 

[matou]

So why is this case so staunchly being scrutinized in terms of the "proper suspects being arrested?" Isn't any Canadian case where murder is involved and perps arrested open season for this debate? Why not Noelle Paquette's murder or any other? No worries about the wrong people being arrested in other CURRENT cases? JMO

 

[ABro]

FWIW, IMHO, the Truscott case is from another time era. Things have changed- a lot. Milgaard and Morin were in fact wrongfully prosecuted and the prime time witness was DNA. Even though they were accused for murders that had happened 45 and 30 years ago respectively, they were both exonerated in the mid 90's, only on the availability of DNA testing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overturned_convictions_in_Canada

"It's not just prosecutors and police who have embraced DNA testing. While genetic matches are extremely reliable in fingering criminals, they're virtually foolproof in exonerating the innocent"
http://content.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1905706,00.html

Perhaps I've watched too many episodes of CSI or the Forensic Files, but IMO it's almost impossible for a person not to leave some type of DNA behind. In todays world, DNA releases the wrongfully convicted and DNA tells no tales in locking the guilty up. We're in an era of prosecution/conviction by science and technology and I personally think LE have these guys nailed. MOO

Also, Milgaard and Morin didn't have a team of top defence lawyers from day one.

Millard has more in common with OJ or Conrad Black or Dominique Strauss-Kahn in that way. (In other ways, not so much)

Someone should do an Excel spreadsheet :thinking:

What exactly do the Milgaard and Morin cases have in common with Millard and Smich? Millard suppporters keeps bringing these cases up, but never specify what the similar factors actually are. The "out of the box" logic seems to be:

Some accused murderers are wrongfully prosecuted.

Dellen Millard is an accused murderer.

Therefore Dellen Millard is being wrongfully prosecuted.

 

[Carli]

So why is this case so staunchly being scrutinized in terms of the "proper suspects being arrested?" Isn't any Canadian case where murder is involved and perps arrested open season for this debate? Why not Noelle Paquette's murder or any other? No worries about the wrong people being arrested in other CURRENT cases? JMO

Maybe has something to do with the topic of this forum?

 

[Carli]

Also, Milgaard and Morin didn't have a team of top defence lawyers from day one.

Millard has more in common with OJ or Conrad Black or Dominique Strauss-Kahn in that way. (In other ways, not so much)

Someone should do an Excel spreadsheet :thinking:

What exactly do the Milgaard and Morin cases have in common with Millard and Smich? Millard suppporters keeps bringing these cases up, but never specify what the similar factors actually are. The "out of the box" logic seems to be:

Some accused murderers are wrongfully prosecuted.

Dellen Millard is an accused murderer.

Therefore Dellen Millard is being wrongfully prosecuted.

That certainly would be "out of the box" logic. ROFLMAO.

http://www.alphascore.com/resources...formal-logic-for-games-and-logical-reasoning/

HTH

Did you say Millard and Smich have something in common with an alleged murderer, a thief and someone accused of rape because... uhm... because they can pay a lawyer??? If they pay less for their lawyers, what difference would that make? Do you think they should engage legal aid instead? Or are you saying that lawyers who charge their clients more money have much more influence with judges? If so, could we have some illustrations of Canadian murderers getting away with their crimes because their lawyers have some kind of "in" with the judge? Now there IS a story.

Incidentally, I don't know about these fancy teams of high paid influential lawyers. For the WM and LB cases, Pillay's firm appears to be a "team" of one guy, himself, with shared office space that is not exactly trendy. IMO. MOO. IMHO. But at least he has an office. DP, defense in the TB case (assuming he is actually still retained by DM and figured out how to get that odd paperwork thing sorted out) is another one man band and he works from home, it appears. Of course it has been many weeks / months now since he was "officially retained" by DM. Does he, in fact, even have a lawyer anymore in the TB case?

As for the Milgaard and Morin cases, what do you mean by "Millard supporters"? Whatever that means I'm unaware of anybody repeatedly bringing up these cases. Do you mean here, on WS? Nevertheless, by way of explanation, these were both Canadian cases in which murder convictions were overthrown after many years of their wrongful conviction and imprisonment. I'd have presumed most people would be aware of that, but maybe not.

I'm very curious about an odd sort of meme that seems to be running through the thread, IMO, and through society in general. That is, that somehow, upper middle class people are very likely to be guilty of criminal behavior. After all, how else did they get their money? So, there's a particular sense of pleasure, dare I say, guilty pleasure, when misfortune descends upon the monied class, the celebrity class, the business class, etc. regardless of whether they are the cause of their own dilemma or not. IMO. TMZ unleashed. I call it the "hyena factor".

 

[Sillybilly]

Maybe has something to do with the topic of this forum?

I disagree. There are hundreds of WS threads with the same topic, just different names. I've been around this forum for a number of years, and have never seen such staunch, ongoing support for an accused murderer as there is for DM.

 

[Carli]

I disagree. There are hundreds of WS threads with the same topic, just different names. I've been around this forum for a number of years, and have never seen such staunch, ongoing support for an accused murderer as there is for DM.

Yup, lots of firsts with these alleged crimes, it seems. First murder arising from a Kijiji ad. First murder charges involving an iconic family in Canadian aviation history. First nationally televised funeral of a civilian murder victim. First reversal of a suicide determination two years after the fact. Rare murder charges associated with a girl whose body has not been found. Well, I think they're firsts. I haven't participated in other WS forums, so I definitely could be wrong. Which forums were you thinking of? With regard to the "staunch, ongoing support for an accused murderer" you perceive, I really don't know what to say. That statement has been challenged over and over and over and over and over and over again. Yet still biased, such provocative and disparaging comments continue. IMO. MOO. IMHO.

 

[SnooperDuper]

I disagree. There are hundreds of WS threads with the same topic, just different names. I've been around this forum for a number of years, and have never seen such staunch, ongoing support for an accused murderer as there is for DM.

Keep the focus on DM as heir, prodigy, scion, "extension of another life". Well-bred from good folk, well-educated, and wealthy.

There are too many hints, though, that DM was one heck of a party boy.