Wayne Millard: Dellen Millard Charged With Murder In The First Degree #1

[Tamarind]

Except for close contact with Dellen Millard on the final days of their lives.

I wonder who else they had close contact with?
We have no idea when DM and LB last saw each other, she could have met with many people in the days before going missing, so by that logic they should all be suspects.

WM may have been home at his house while DM was out for dinner, we have no idea who had a key to that house or whether the door was left open or who entered that house, if anyone, to kill him, if he did not kill himself.

We also have no idea who the third person was on a test drive, or if they met anyone else. We don't know if test drive ended and TB was followed by someone else. The accused have kept their right to remain silent, so we have no idea what really happened at this point or who may have been in close contact with him prior.

 

[swedie]

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I doubt that. If he got off on snuffing people out, that means he only got off three times according to that logic. Surely if he enjoyed it that much it would have been more than 3 and a little more theatrical, rather than have one termed a suicide, one body not found and one unrecognizable. Usually serial killers have a theme from what I have read. I should think he could have made quite a few people disappear had he really wanted to, with access to a helicopter he had ample options. I don't think he is any type of serial killer from anything I have read or heard about this case. JMO

Maybe he felt three murders over the course of less than a year was enough to get off on? Who knows maybe he has more victims. Theatrical? Huh? IMO the theme appears to be power, control and people who get in his way of having what he wants.
BBM - Understandably because that's JYO and TY for sharing.

The Crown believes they can prove otherwise. Surely you are not as knowledge on this case as they are, right? Just curious and MOO.
It will be interesting to find out if these three murders will be tried as one. If separate, will the Crown request bypassing PH's also? MOO

 

[swedie]

I see. So in these cases the killer's motivations were in a state of flux. They just cherry picked among various psychotic states. Therefore a thrill kill motivated by "lust" may have explained LB's death; "comfort" underscored the father's demise and "thrill" accounted for the murder of TB. I think it would be extremely unusual for one person, much less two or more, to have all these differing motivations. I think the "pleasure" element probably and most ususall derives from a single individual murdering the same sort of person in same sort of way, thus engaging in the same twisted fantasy over and over again.

IMO neither of the accused fits the profile outlined in the article, as far as we know. No taunting messages to the police. No cryptic information for the media. The murders were carried out by more than one person. The death of WM was carried out very differently than the murder of TB. But again, and more importantly, the victims had nothing in common with each other.

MOO IMHO.

DM.

Now, after establishing an “investigative link” between the three cases, Ontario Provincial Police are directing the streamlined case under the province’s Major Case Management (MCM) system.
Multi-jurisdictional cases are not frequent but “not unheard of,” OPP spokesperson Pierre Chamberland said Wednesday.
The MCM system was created after the 1995 Paul Bernardo trial and, according to the Ministry of Community Safety and Correctional Services website, it is “especially useful in helping police identify common links in crimes committed in different locations — crimes that might have been committed by the same person.”

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/201...s_to_dellen_millard_added_to_joint_probe.html

 

[Sillybilly]

So he suddenly turned into a serial killer at the age of 27?, proceeded to possibly off LB, although no body has been found. He then decides to off his dad and then invite his mother and ex over to view the scene. He then plans some type of thrilling type murder while in the company of one , two or more friends who can witness the event, he then puts the remains of a body on his farm and the truck at his moms, and in the process he decides to leave an incinerator close to remains which mysteriously moves by itself at some point to another position according to neighbors who just happened to notice this from the roadside or while trespassing across property at this particular time.

That is some planning ! Who plans a murder to have at least two witnesses, leaves the remains of a body close to an incinerator on their own property and then drives several miles to take the truck to his own mothers driveway? I can think of a few other plans that would have been less conspicuous that that one, if someone was intent on murder. It doesn't add up for me.

What does DM's age have to do with whether or not he is classified as a serial killer? The average age for male sks is 27.5 at their first kill (and sks have been as young as 9 and as old as 72):

http://maamodt.asp.radford.edu/Psyc 405/Serial Killers.pdf

Profiling of serial killers is an ongoing process, evolving with each new one that comes along.

As for what a serial killer does when, why, how, etc .. as laypersons we are using normal brains and emotions to try to understand what could possibly be a psychopathic personality or just a deranged mentality of some other kind. Psychopathy or garden variety serial killing doesn't "add up" for the average person and requires indepth psychoanalytical study of each and every one to determine all the factors that we question.

 

[ABro]

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Maybe he felt three murders over the course of less than a year was enough to get off on? Who knows maybe he has more victims. Theatrical? Huh? IMO the theme appears to be power, control and people who get in his way of having what he wants.
BBM - Understandably because that's JYO and TY for sharing.

The Crown believes they can prove otherwise. Surely you are not as knowledge on this case as they are, right? Just curious and MOO.
It will be interesting to find out if these three murders will be tried as one. If separate, will the Crown request bypassing PH's also? MOO

Highly unlikely the trials will be joined. They are not even in the same jurisdiction.

I've heard the Crown is looking for a direct indictment in the LB case but as of today there is no indictment.

I believe the accused will plead after the Bosma trial. I can't see their families agreeing to support them through more trials.

 

[Tamarind]

Highly unlikely the trials will be joined. They are not even in the same jurisdiction.

I've heard the Crown is looking for a direct indictment in the LB case but as of today there is no indictment.

I believe the accused will plead after the Bosma trial. I can't see their families agreeing to support them through more trials.

What do accused families have to do with it? Yes they are family but if the accused is innocent why should they take a plea? What if they never had a family they would have to go it alone.

 

[Tamarind]

What does DM's age have to do with whether or not he is classified as a serial killer? The average age for male sks is 27.5 at their first kill (and sks have been as young as 9 and as old as 72):

http://maamodt.asp.radford.edu/Psyc 405/Serial Killers.pdf

Profiling of serial killers is an ongoing process, evolving with each new one that comes along.

As for what a serial killer does when, why, how, etc .. as laypersons we are using normal brains and emotions to try to understand what could possibly be a psychopathic personality or just a deranged mentality of some other kind. Psychopathy or garden variety serial killing doesn't "add up" for the average person and requires indepth psychoanalytical study of each and every one to determine all the factors that we question.

Most serial killers I have heard of do not plan everything to point to themselves (TB)

I mentioned age as one factor along with other factors. Yes it is my opinion as yours is yours. Both valid.

 

[Sillybilly]

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I doubt that. If he got off on snuffing people out, that means he only got off three times according to that logic. Surely if he enjoyed it that much it would have been more than 3 and a little more theatrical, rather than have one termed a suicide, one body not found and one unrecognizable. Usually serial killers have a theme from what I have read. I should think he could have made quite a few people disappear had he really wanted to, with access to a helicopter he had ample options. I don't think he is any type of serial killer from anything I have read or heard about this case. JMO

Rather interesting that the 3 victims are within a reasonably short timeframe ... I guess snuffing peeps out probably just gets easier after the first one. If by 'theme' you are referring to an MO, that can evolve and be refined as a killer finds appropriate to both carry out the crime and avoid apprehension.

 

[Tamarind]

So just out of interest, is the general consensus that DM:

a.Killed for a truck
b.Killed for a thrill
c.Killed because he is a serial killer
d.Killed because 27.5 is the median age of serial killers
e.Killed because he is a spoilt brat
f. all of the above

 

[Tamarind]

Rather interesting that the 3 victims are within a reasonably short timeframe ... I guess snuffing peeps out probably just gets easier after the first one. If by 'theme' you are referring to an MO, that can evolve and be refined as a killer finds appropriate to both carry out the crime and avoid apprehension.

Can't be easy killing your dad though, right?

If he allegedly took the trouble to off LB and take her somewhere never to be found, you would think he would have used the same forsight with WM and TB. Why remove the first 'kill' to location unknown, second invite mother and ex over to see the corpse and third have witnesses and leave all kinds of circumstantial evidence pointing to himself? If he doesn't mind evidence pointing to himself, why move LB to parts unknown? Why not take dad out for a drive and lose him somewhere? None of this makes sense. I don't see any evidence to say that DM doesn't have a normal thinking brain. JMO

 

[Sillybilly]

So just out of interest, is the general consensus that DM:

a.Killed for a truck
b.Killed for a thrill
c.Killed because he is a serial killer
d.Killed because 27.5 is the median age of serial killers
e.Killed because he is a spoilt brat
f. all of the above

Or possibly just because he got away with a first and second time and felt he had become invincible.

 

[Carli]

So just out of interest, is the general consensus that DM:

a.Killed for a truck
b.Killed for a thrill
c.Killed because he is a serial killer
d.Killed because 27.5 is the median age of serial killers
e.Killed because he is a spoilt brat
f. all of the above

You forgot - Killed because he's rich.
Also forgot - Killed because debil made him do it.

 

[Sillybilly]

Can't be easy killing your dad though, right?

If he allegedly took the trouble to off LB and take her somewhere never to be found, you would think he would have used the same forsight with WM and TB. Why remove the first 'kill' to location unknown, second invite mother and ex over to see the corpse and third have witnesses and leave all kinds of circumstantial evidence pointing to himself? If he doesn't mind evidence pointing to himself, why move LB to parts unknown? Why not take dad out for a drive and lose him somewhere? None of this makes sense. I don't see any evidence to say that DM doesn't have a normal thinking brain. JMO

Don't make the mistake of assigning DM (or any other apprehended sk) a superior intellect beyond other killers that have been caught because they made stupid mistakes.

 

[ABro]

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What do accused families have to do with it? Yes they are family but if the accused is innocent why should they take a plea? What if they never had a family they would have to go it alone.

Because after the first trial, the families will not be able to continue to live in denial.

 

[ABro]

Killed because he's a psychopath. The money facilitated the incinerator purchase.

The more interesting question, to my mind, is what made him a psychopath?

 

[Carli]

[/B]

Maybe he felt three murders over the course of less than a year was enough to get off on? Who knows maybe he has more victims. Theatrical? Huh? IMO the theme appears to be power, control and people who get in his way of having what he wants.
BBM - Understandably because that's JYO and TY for sharing.

The Crown believes they can prove otherwise. Surely you are not as knowledge on this case as they are, right? Just curious and MOO.
It will be interesting to find out if these three murders will be tried as one. If separate, will the Crown request bypassing PH's also? MOO

Uh huh. So I'm very interested to learn that you are knowledgeable about the Crown's case. I kind of thought that might be so. Anyway I understand you can't share more without potentially compromising the situation. Thanks anyway.

 

[Carli]

Killed because he's a psychopath. The money facilitated the incinerator purchase.

The more interesting question, to my mind, is what made him a psychopath?

Have the two accused received professional psychological assessments and diagnoses? I don't think I've read that anywhere. Do you have a link. Tnx.

 

[ABro]

Have the two accused received psychological assessments and diagnoses? I don't think I've read that anywhere. Do you have a link. Tnx.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...r-in-the-First-Degree&p=11489311#post11489311

 

[Carli]

Ya know. If you and your buddies have no aversion to stealing vehicles, equipment etc and have decided to start a little thrill kill gang that involved disposing of bodies in a chicken incinerator, why wouldn't you steal that item? I mean shaving VIN numbers of a stolen vehicle is one thing, but sending in a purchase order with your name and address for that home incinerator that you intend to use to dispose of murdered bodies seems to be a warrantless risk. But then again, we've been told the accused men are not as smart as some would have them made out to be so maybe this oversight figures in as just another dumb thing? MOO. IMHO

 

[Carli]

Killed because he's a psychopath. The money facilitated the incinerator purchase.

The more interesting question, to my mind, is what made him a psychopath?

Yes, it's an interesting question if he is a psychopath. If he isn't, an interesting question might be why is it important that people believe he is a psychopath? I use "he", when in fact, I mean "they" because in this case the joint charges suggest more than one such clinically disordered mentality was at work.