Wayne Millard: Dellen Millard Charged With Murder In The First Degree #1

[swedie]

An expensive animal incinerator purchased for the purpose of incinerating typical yard wastes? :blushing: Most people who live in the country have burn barrels. Conveniently DM had numerous barrels at his disposal. Not to mention "the employee" did say it was being purchased to incinerate animal carcasses. Coincidentally and conveniently it was purchased within days after LB disappeared. MOO.

Remember we are talking about someone who claims; “I shop at Costco. I don’t buy expensive clothes. I’m a bargain hunter. I have one Hugo Boss suit,”

 

[matou]

I think the point is THERE WERE NO DEAD FARM ANIMALS on DM's farm to incinerate.

 

[Tamarind]

I think the point is THERE WERE NO DEAD FARM ANIMALS on DM's farm to incinerate.

Were there not? I didn't know that. How do we/you know there weren't any dead animals?

 

[Tamarind]

An expensive animal incinerator purchased for the purpose of incinerating typical yard wastes? :blushing: Most people who live in the country have burn barrels.

Conveniently DM had numerous barrels at his disposal. Not to mention "the employee" did say it was being purchased to incinerate animal carcasses. Coincidentally and conveniently it was purchased within days after LB disappeared. MOO.

I think the 'employee' may have said more or the reporter did not report on every word. Until the witnesses speak at trial we will not know what was said. If it was purchased for LB then IMO it would have been purchased prior to rather than after her disappearance JMO. Not sure how you get the 'conveniently' as she has not been found to date.

I don't think we can speak for everyone when people make decisions on purchases. They can and do buy items without following what everyone else does. I never buy something because someone else has it. I don't care what anyone else does or buys. If I want to buy something because I think it suits my needs I will buy it.

Remember we are talking about someone who claims; “I shop at Costco. I don’t buy expensive clothes. I’m a bargain hunter. I have one Hugo Boss suit,”

Someone can be frugal with themselves and generous to others. If a company purchases something it can be written off against taxes. I don't think we can insinuate that because someone is frugal in their dress sense that they have to be as frugal with their business or friends. Dropping someone into a square mould and suggesting they must not venture out, becomes the problem of the one wanting them to stay there, not the one who is not quite fitting into it.IMO

 

[swedie]

Were there not? I didn't know that. How do we/you know there weren't any dead animals?

IIRC the previous owners stated.

Why would there be animals on the property with no one there to take care of them? I highly doubt hogs came with the sale of the farmland. Another indication of DM's thrifty ways. MOO.

In May 2011, Mr. Millard bought a large farm in Ayr, Ont., for $835,000.

“He drove a hard bargain,” said Vera Snider, who had owned the farm for 45 years with her husband, John. “Afterwards we felt a little cheated.”

The Sniders raised hogs on the hilly farm that has a swampy section and a forested area. It has an old barn but no house.

Police have been scouring the farm since the weekend, setting up a large, enclosed tent over an area where the fields end and trees begin. It is believed this is where the charred remains of Mr. Bosma were found.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/0...was-always-a-little-different-classmate-says/

 

[Carli]

Here are the regulations for burns in North Dumfries:

http://www.northdumfries.ca/en/ourservices/resources/2316-08.pdf

It would be interesting to learn if DM applied for a burn license although that wouldn't be necessary if one intended to use an enclosed incinerator because obviously there's little to no potential for the fire to escape unlike burn barrels, for instance. Again, if you were clearing a driveway, or clearing slash from a swamp because you intended to backfill it or whatever, burning is a fast and efficient and, again, portable.

http://www.northdumfries.ca/en/ourtownship/BurnPermits.asp

I guess you could do this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTs2ceCk8q0

Or alternatively, you could just call up a distributor and have basically the same thing delivered. IMO. MOO.

 

[Tamarind]

IIRC the previous owners stated.

Why would there be animals on the property with no one there to take care of them? I highly doubt hogs came with the sale of the farmland. Another indication of DM's thrifty ways. MOO.

In May 2011, Mr. Millard bought a large farm in Ayr, Ont., for $835,000.

“He drove a hard bargain,” said Vera Snider, who had owned the farm for 45 years with her husband, John. “Afterwards we felt a little cheated.”

The Sniders raised hogs on the hilly farm that has a swampy section and a forested area. It has an old barn but no house.

Police have been scouring the farm since the weekend, setting up a large, enclosed tent over an area where the fields end and trees begin. It is believed this is where the charred remains of Mr. Bosma were found.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/0...was-always-a-little-different-classmate-says/

Wildlife is everywhere , I don't see how anyone would know what was living underground or thereabouts, unless they owned it and had witnessed their presence.

Most people who sell property feel cheated. We all like to get the best price for our property and buyers want the best deal, nothing odd there IMO

 

[swedie]

Wildlife is everywhere , I don't see how anyone would know what was living underground or thereabouts, unless they owned it and had witnessed their presence.

Most people who sell property feel cheated. We all like to get the best price for our property and buyers want the best deal, nothing odd there IMO

Deja vu. Seems we are going in circles once again as this has all been disgusted at great lengths in the two incinerator threads. Should anyone want to rehash or review, I suggest visiting there. MOO.

 

[Tamarind]

Deja vu. Seems we are going in circles once again as this has all been disgusted at great lengths in the two incinerator threads. Should anyone want to rehash or review, I suggest visiting there. MOO.

Cant do much else but go in circles to a point, without fresh material to work with. Some go in circles and thats ok but when those who maintain a presumption of innocence want to discuss possibilities they get diverted to the old posts/ threads. It is known that police very often go back to the start when trying to solve a case, even a cold case. I find it interesting that on a forum such a common sense approach is often frowned on by posters who have already decided the outcome of the case. JMO MOO

 

[Alethea Dice]

Here are the regulations for burns in North Dumfries:

http://www.northdumfries.ca/en/ourservices/resources/2316-08.pdf

It would be interesting to learn if DM applied for a burn license although that wouldn't be necessary if one intended to use an enclosed incinerator because obviously there's little to no potential for the fire to escape unlike burn barrels, for instance. Again, if you were clearing a driveway, or clearing slash from a swamp because you intended to backfill it or whatever, burning is a fast and efficient and, again, portable.

http://www.northdumfries.ca/en/ourtownship/BurnPermits.asp

I guess you could do this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTs2ceCk8q0

Or alternatively, you could just call up a distributor and have basically the same thing delivered. IMO. MOO.

Interesting video. And here I was led to believe that farmers and country folk don't use incinerators. Judging by the comments, he isn't the only one either. One even uses it for burning "household trash containing plastic, paper, wood etc.", where the timer comes in handy. Imagine that.

 

[swedie]

Cant do much else but go in circles to a point, without fresh material to work with. Some go in circles and thats ok but when those who maintain a presumption of innocence want to discuss possibilities they get diverted to the old posts/ threads. It is known that police very often go back to the start when trying to solve a case, even a cold case. I find it interesting that on a forum such a common sense approach is often frowned on by posters who have already decided the outcome of the case. JMO MOO

BBM - True enough. That has probably happened in TB's case to confirm LE have the correct murderers behind bars, no one else was involved (CN arrest almost a year later), that it wasn't a frame up (no one else arrested), making sure they have collected all pertinent evidence. Oh I feel certain LE also go back to the start not only cold cases, but cases originally deemed suicide and missing persons' cases. Yes those types of cases certainly would definitely require them to start at the begin. MOO.

There are a million and one, if not more scenarios/theories/excuses we could come up with to try and rationalise or explain away the who, what, where, when and why. Until the evidence is presented at trial, we won't have the truth, but by all means speculate away. HTH.

UBM - Interesting, so do I. All MOO.

 

[swedie]

Interesting video. And here I was led to believe that farmers and country folk don't use incinerators. Judging by the comments, he isn't the only one either. One even uses it for burning "household trash containing plastic, paper, wood etc.", where the timer comes in handy. Imagine that.

Surprised thrifty DM didn't think of this instead of purchasing one. He had the hangar to construct one in. Then again it was likely WM's money which paid for the new incinerator. If he had constructed one of his own with his buddies, he could have use the HD trailer or the trailer that TB's truck was found in to transport it to his farmland. MOO.

 

[Carli]

Surprised thrifty DM didn't think of this instead of purchasing one. He had the hangar to construct one in. Then again it was likely WM's money which paid for the new incinerator. If he had constructed one of his own with his buddies, he could have use the HD trailer or the trailer that TB's truck was found in to transport it to his farmland. MOO.

True. But I thought everyone was expected to bend over backwards to insure that the Texan found the premises pristine enough that he might consider inviting possible clients to drop in. That messy big old wonderful workshop featured in the video would have thrust that guy into conniptions. IMO. Maybe not.

You know, I could probably dig a fire pit in the middle of my back yard and prepare the family's meals everyday out there. The results might be a bit iffy, but it certainly could be done and has been done for centuries. However, I happen to own a fabulous Five Star double oven gas range which reliably does a sensational job. I also use the stoves to create fun crafts with the grandkids, like pretty little plastic sun catchers, etc. http://www.instructables.com/id/Melted-Bead-Sun-catcher/ and clay hand molds and papier mache lamp shades and all manner of things. I've also dyed fabrics in hot dye on the cook top. Would Five Star people approve of or endorse such usage? I greatly doubt it. Their stoves are made for cooking food which they do exceptionally well.

The point being, if you can summon up the ingenuity to retask a tool, then who's to say that's unacceptable or can't be done. For me, I've never seen a kitchen knife that can't be used as a perfectly acceptable screw driver, scraper, hammer or, sometimes, bottle opener. MOO. IMHO.

I'm just saying if I wanted to clear slash as part of the construction of a half mile long driveway or get rid of the swamp growth so I could backfill the damn thing and eradicate vulture sized mosquitoes and if I didn't have a power source and I wasn't a "country boy" so I didn't come with any preset notions about "how folks do things around here" then I might think buying a portable propane fired incinerator was a damn good idea. IMO. IMHO.

 

[Tamarind]

What, Carli, you only have a Five Star oven? Remember along with DM's Hugo Boss, he was planning to pick up some Alexander McQueen to wear to court (I wanna see him in classic McQueen bumsters). It's amazing how people can get caught up in self-image.

Anyway, willfully disbelieving, that is being willing to accept anything but the apparent facts, is a luxury the jurors would not have. Aside from incorrigible alcoholics, I've never seen such strong denial in someone.

I have seen denial from the so called best of people, you would be surprised who thinks they can't put a foot wrong or who think their opinions are held in the highest regard. However, I see no problem with a very rich guy wearing Hugo Boss or McQueen. When you are raised a certain way and mix in certain crowds, certain things are considered the norm. Not knowing how 'the other half lives' is not a crime. People with money can still be frugal, but it is being frugal as they understand it. People without money only know frugal usually, and some try to fight that by taking on credit cards or in some cases by stealing. Monied people steal too but its usually called embezzlement or fraud or corruption IMO.

Jurors of ones peers as they say. I expect the selection will be people who have a bit of money to speak of. JMO

 

[SnooperDuper]

I have seen denial from the so called best of people, you would be surprised who thinks they can't put a foot wrong or who think their opinions are held in the highest regard. However, I see no problem with a very rich guy wearing Hugo Boss or McQueen. When you are raised a certain way and mix in certain crowds, certain things are considered the norm. Not knowing how 'the other half lives' is not a crime. People with money can still be frugal, but it is being frugal as they understand it. People without money only know frugal usually, and some try to fight that by taking on credit cards or in some cases by stealing. Monied people steal too but its usually called embezzlement or fraud or corruption IMO.

Jurors of ones peers as they say. I expect the selection will be people who have a bit of money to speak of. JMO

Ah, I see, only the monied can judge DM. All of a sudden I have a visual of CH, Hilton Hotel heir, screaming at the others in business class that they are just a bunch of peasants and Daddy has paid up to $300k to get him off the hook before...

Ugly picture.

I didn't know that it isn't called stealing when you steal when you have money! Wow, a different set of rules.

 

[SnooperDuper]

However, I see no problem with a very rich guy wearing Hugo Boss or McQueen. When you are raised a certain way and mix in certain crowds, certain things are considered the norm.

Just a note on fashion: Hugo Boss you can buy at the mall. You don't have to be in fantastic shape in fit into Hugo Boss. Alexander McQueen is strictly boutique. You have to have a certain body type to fit in these rather lean-cut clothes (poor people would say, fits like Le Chateau) and a lot of money. Hugo Boss is ordinary, and Alexander McQueen is a label for aficionados of fashion who are willing to put money into their interests. Hugo Boss makes me shrug, but Alexander McQueen makes me say WTH? I didn't know you liked to dress up like a doll, DM.

Well we could have expected DM was the kind of guy that liked all eyes on him: the mohawk. The tattoos. Look at me! Look!

 

[Variant]

True. But I thought everyone was expected to bend over backwards to insure that the Texan found the premises pristine enough that he might consider inviting possible clients to drop in. That messy big old wonderful workshop featured in the video would have thrust that guy into conniptions. IMO. Maybe not.

You know, I could probably dig a fire pit in the middle of my back yard and prepare the family's meals everyday out there. The results might be a bit iffy, but it certainly could be done and has been done for centuries. However, I happen to own a fabulous Five Star double oven gas range which reliably does a sensational job. I also use the stoves to create fun crafts with the grandkids, like pretty little plastic sun catchers, etc. http://www.instructables.com/id/Melted-Bead-Sun-catcher/ and clay hand molds and papier mache lamp shades and all manner of things. I've also dyed fabrics in hot dye on the cook top. Would Five Star people approve of or endorse such usage? I greatly doubt it. Their stoves are made for cooking food which they do exceptionally well.

The point being, if you can summon up the ingenuity to retask a tool, then who's to say that's unacceptable or can't be done. For me, I've never seen a kitchen knife that can't be used as a perfectly acceptable screw driver, scraper, hammer or, sometimes, bottle opener. MOO. IMHO.

I'm just saying if I wanted to clear slash as part of the construction of a half mile long driveway or get rid of the swamp growth so I could backfill the damn thing and eradicate vulture sized mosquitoes and if I didn't have a power source and I wasn't a "country boy" so I didn't come with any preset notions about "how folks do things around here" then I might think buying a portable propane fired incinerator was a damn good idea. IMO. IMHO.

That Five Star may burn a roast but is it designed to completely consume body parts?

I fully agree with you that ovens and incinerators can be repurposed to multiple uses. Prolific French serial killers Henri Landru and Marcel Petiot used, respectively, a kitchen oven and a heating furnace to dispose of their victims. The old fashioned coal oven is still superior to the Five Star in that it was built to withstand higher temperatures. Landru cooked his meals in the oven between body burns, but I suspect he ate out a lot.

Presumably they also burned household wastes in the oven and furnace (I do in the wood fired oven at my cottage, but no animal matter). Landru and Petiot were both charming and well liked, maybe trained cooks too, being as they had a French background. Landru was quite the ladies man, to the misfortune of the ladies.

Anyway I don't think LE hauled away DM's incinerator because some discovery or tip made them think they would only find charcoal and racoon teeth in the residual, or that they did it to prejudice the public. And apparently LE still have custody of it, maybe because it did contain pertinent evidence? Otherwise I expect that it would have been released, and wouldn't it have been up for sale on Kijiji by now?

Yes, testimony about the incinerator will likely be interesting, if it becomes necessary.

 

[Tamarind]

Ah, I see, only the monied can judge DM. All of a sudden I have a visual of CH, Hilton Hotel heir, screaming at the others in business class that they are just a bunch of peasants and Daddy has paid up to $300k to get him off the hook before...

Ugly picture.

I didn't know that it isn't called stealing when you steal when you have money! Wow, a different set of rules.

That is not what was said. I can't help your visuals, they are yours. Of course its stealing, it is just called something else when its classified as embezzlement, corruption or fraud and you know that I expect.

Not a different set of rules just a different name for the theft.

Thats not to say that I believe DM has stolen anything. JMO

 

[Tamarind]

Just a note on fashion: Hugo Boss you can buy at the mall. You don't have to be in fantastic shape in fit into Hugo Boss. Alexander McQueen is strictly boutique. You have to have a certain body type to fit in these rather lean-cut clothes (poor people would say, fits like Le Chateau) and a lot of money. Hugo Boss is ordinary, and Alexander McQueen is a label for aficionados of fashion who are willing to put money into their interests. Hugo Boss makes me shrug, but Alexander McQueen makes me say WTH? I didn't know you liked to dress up like a doll, DM.

Well we could have expected DM was the kind of guy that liked all eyes on him: the mohawk. The tattoos. Look at me! Look!

Thats your take on it I guess. I think a lot of young guys and gals like to make a statement with hair and clothing, no big deal.

 

[SnooperDuper]

That is not what was said. I can't help your visuals, they are yours. Of course its stealing, it is just called something else when its classified as embezzlement, corruption or fraud and you know that I expect.

Not a different set of rules just a different name for the theft.

Thats not to say that I believe DM has stolen anything. JMO

He only borrowed TB's truck? Borrowed the Harley and its trailer?