Wayne Millard: Dellen Millard Charged With Murder In The First Degree #1

[SnooperDuper]

Ohhh, so regular people aren't supposed to hang out with or become friends with rich people. My mistake. How silly of me to think all people are equal and there's no need to keep certain income levels segregated from the rest of the world.

Why would you hang out with someone who can't afford your lifestyle, pay for them, and double your cost of living? Add another friend in the equation and you could be living three times better than you do, if only your friends were able to pay for themselves. Why couldn't DM make any millionaire friends at TFS, an avoid shelling out altogether?

 

[Alethea Dice]

I think it's completely newsworthy that a guy accused of three headline-grabbing murders had the resources to hold parties costing tens of thousands dollars. It's a clear example of his lifestyle and, given his unemployment, what his parents were willing to pay for. It offers insights into his upbringing.

FYI, the person who provided this information was contacted continuously by members of the media. I just happened to be in the right place at the right time and get lucky when the person decided to talk.

I also think this story has been underplayed by a lot of the local MSM who were distracted by the Rob Ford mega-story. Both 48 Hours and Dateline are covering the case as well as the Fifth Estate. I'm told that traffic spikes at CBC News whenever there's a major development in this case. There's huge public interest.

I just don't think that spending tens of thousands of dollars on parties is a major development in the case. Guess that's why MSM hasn't bothered to report how much those parties cost. The fact they had money and he used it has been reported. The rest is anyone's opinion on what his upbringing was like.

I just hope this person is happy with who he finally decided to talk to. And I hope he seriously thinks about whether his reasons for doing so were the right reasons.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Ya, who do these people think they are, accepting gifts from a friend? They should totally stay in their own social class and not mingle with the wealthy. Why don't we have more social systems in place to keep the riff-raff away from luxuries like jet skis?

When was the last time a friend bought you a jetski, or something of equivalent value?

 

[ABro]

How does it change the reasons one person had at the time for buying gifts for friends when it later turns out they were accused of murder? Can context be changed retroactively?

You don't just wake up one day and become a serial killer.

If DM is guilty of these crimes, he was clearly a very troubled personality for quite some time.

So the context is not Joe Normal being generous and treating his less well-off friends to the occasional gift, but a very troubled young man, who did not have one single friend who wasn't deriving (often significant) financial benefit from being friends with DM.

 

[Tamarind]

I think it's completely newsworthy that a guy accused of three headline-grabbing murders had the resources to hold parties costing tens of thousands dollars. It's a clear example of his lifestyle and, given his unemployment, what his parents were willing to pay for. It offers insights into his upbringing.


FYI, the person who provided this information was contacted continuously by members of the media. I just happened to be in the right place at the right time and get lucky when the person decided to talk.

I also think this story has been underplayed by a lot of the local MSM who were distracted by the Rob Ford mega-story. Both 48 Hours and Dateline are covering the case as well as the Fifth Estate. I'm told that traffic spikes at CBC News whenever there's a major development in this case. There's huge public interest.

His unemployment !! Can you give links to parties costing tens of thousands of dollars please as well as his alleged unemployment. I see no clear example of anything other than bias opinion. JMO

So media contacted this informant but they decided to tell all to you instead. Presumably that is what you mean. Have you wondered whether traffic spikes at CBC because people feel there is something very odd about this case and they are wanting more information but none is coming. I know of many people who find this case unbelievable in the sense that it makes no sense.

 

[Tamarind]

You don't just wake up one day and become a serial killer.

If DM is guilty of these crimes, he was clearly a very troubled personality for quite some time.

So the context is not Joe Normal being generous and treating his less well-off friends to the occasional gift, but a very troubled young man, who did not have one single friend who wasn't deriving (often significant) financial benefit from being friends with DM.

No you dont just wake up and become a serial killer. There is also no evidence to suggest DM was troubled, even though many seem to try to make that label stick. Where do you get that he did not have one single friend.. He travelled with a group of friends to Croatia, he obviously had friends with and friends without money, as do I. Does that make me a serial killer.

 

[Juballee]

When was the last time a friend bought you a jetski, or something of equivalent value?

That's kind of personal, but maybe you should ask when the last time I bought a friend a jet ski, or something else so valuable as well. I happen to live in a world where half of my friends are wealthy and half are not, and we still all like to hang out together, despite our differing incomes, backgrounds, or even differing religions or races. We do things for each other, that's what friends do. Sometimes it might make others jealous, our apologies.

 

[Alethea Dice]

The facts...the truth is negotiable, perception is reality.

Maybe in politics and science or the meaning of life. Not in actual events.

The fundamental error of human perception is that they believe they are the center of the universe, and that they can have opinions and concepts. The truth is not a concept or an opinion. It was there long before we invented the term, and it will be there long after …

 

[Tamarind]

When was the last time a friend bought you a jetski, or something of equivalent value?

I have had a friend buy me a trip to the Caribbean does that count? and no it wasnt for services rendered.
I can afford my own trip, but I thought the gesture was a genuine act of my friend. Sorry if this disappoints anyones perceptions.

 

[Alethea Dice]

Why would you hang out with someone who can't afford your lifestyle, pay for them, and double your cost of living? Add another friend in the equation and you could be living three times better than you do, if only your friends were able to pay for themselves. Why couldn't DM make any millionaire friends at TFS, an avoid shelling out altogether?

Maybe because you actually like those people and can afford it. Maybe you're not worried about having three times more money. Maybe he couldn't make any millionaire friends at TFS because they were all snobs and bullies who picked on him for the way he dressed and the truck his dad drove.

 

[Juballee]

You don't just wake up one day and become a serial killer.

If DM is guilty of these crimes, he was clearly a very troubled personality for quite some time.

So the context is not Joe Normal being generous and treating his less well-off friends to the occasional gift, but a very troubled young man, who did not have one single friend who wasn't deriving (often significant) financial benefit from being friends with DM.

Is this your opinion, or do we have factual confirmation that DM didn't have a single friend who wasn't deriving a significant financial benefit from being his friend? And again, wouldn't that just make it seem like DM was a gullible idiot who let his "friends" take advantage of him until he ended up in jail?

And I'm sorry, but I still don't see the connection between being generous or taken advantage of, and being a serial killer. How do many jet skis does one have to buy before they become an accused murderer?

 

[SnooperDuper]

I have had a friend buy me a trip to the Caribbean does that count? and no it wasnt for services rendered.
I can afford my own trip, but I thought the gesture was a genuine act of my friend. Sorry if this disappoints anyones perceptions.

Only if they paid cash not air miles

 

[Alethea Dice]

His unemployment !! Can you give links to parties costing tens of thousands of dollars please as well as his alleged unemployment. I see no clear example of anything other than bias opinion. JMO

So media contacted this informant but they decided to tell all to you instead. Presumably that is what you mean. Have you wondered whether traffic spikes at CBC because people feel there is someone very odd about this case and they are wanting more information but none is coming. I know of many people who find this case unbelievable in the sense that it makes no sense.

Regarding his unemployment, I believe there were a few MSM articles that talked about him negotiating for MillardAir. I guess that doesn't count as employment because it's not a 9 to 5 job.

 

[ABro]

Is this your opinion, or do we have factual confirmation that DM didn't have a single friend who wasn't deriving a significant financial benefit from being his friend? And again, wouldn't that just make it seem like DM was a gullible idiot who let his "friends" take advantage of him until he ended up in jail?

And I'm sorry, but I still don't see the connection between being generous or taken advantage of, and being a serial killer. How do many jet skis does one have to buy before they become an accused murderer?

My point, which for some reason isn't getting through, is that DM was not generous. He bought things for people as a means to control them and have power over them.

You disagree. You think he was an all-around great guy, constantly gifting his friends out of generosity.

Clearly one of us is right and one of us is wrong. Time will tell.

Hope that helps.

P.S. This does not mean that there aren't generous people in the world. It just means that I do not think DM was one of them.

 

[MsSherlock]

Ohhh, so regular people aren't supposed to hang out with or become friends with rich people. My mistake. How silly of me to think all people are equal and there's no need to keep certain income levels segregated from the rest of the world.

IMO, DM's group of friends that included MWJ, MS et al are far from "regular" people.

Regular people are not into drugs, guns and graffiti. IMHO, AM and that crowd are "normal, regular" people and chances are they're not moochers or selling drugs/guns. DM's criminal entourage are scum bags who regular or wealthy people are afraid of and do not make a habit of befriending. Then you have the young women in DM's life, who along with their families are "regular" people who probably envisioned him as not being a bad catch and are now questioning their judgement. MOO

IMHO, DM sharing his wealth with the scum bags may not have been because he was so generous, it may have simply been that he wanted to have a good time and money was no object. Either you go up North on jet ski's or sit in the basement all day with MS. MOO

 

[Alethea Dice]

IMO, DM's group of friends that included MWJ, MS et al are far from "regular" people.

Regular people are not into drugs, guns and graffiti. IMHO, AM and that crowd are "normal, regular" people and chances are they're not moochers or selling drugs/guns. DM's criminal entourage are scum bags who regular or wealthy people are afraid of and do not make a habit of befriending. Then you have the young women in DM's life, who along with their families are "regular" people who probably envisioned him as not being a bad catch and are now questioning their judgement. MOO

IMHO, DM sharing his wealth with the scum bags may not have been because he was so generous, it may have simply been that he wanted to have a good time and money was no object. Either you go up North on jet ski's or sit in the basement all day with MS. MOO

Yes, I totally agree. MS and MWJ are not regular people. More like his suppliers.

However, the tens of thousands of dollars that was spent on birthday parties (the one with the band that ABro referred to), other parties, trips and jet skis was spent on those regular, normal people in AM's crowd. According to ABro, there was not one friend out of those regular, normal people who were not bought by DM and didn't benefit financially from being his "friend".

 

[matou]

“Twisted would be the word,” an officer said.

Police are looking into a small, “close-knit group of friends” that hung around together.

Dellen Millard, charged with first-degree murder, was part of that group.

“Social media was a big part of their activities,” the source said.


http://www.torontosun.com/2013/05/16/tim-bosmas-murder-may-have-been-thrill-kill-source

 

[ABro]

Yes, I totally agree. MS and MWJ are not regular people. More like his suppliers.

However, the tens of thousands of dollars that was spent on birthday parties (the one with the band that ABro referred to), other parties, trips and jet skis was spent on those regular, normal people in AM's crowd. According to ABro, there was not one friend out of those regular, normal people who were not bought by DM and didn't benefit financially from being his "friend".

All correct, but I would also add that some of those people probably enjoyed DM's company just fine. If, on occasion, they noticed worrisome behaviour, they would be more inclined to overlook it due to the fact they were benefiting financially from the friendship.

That's the very nature of a conflict of interest situation -- constant gifting and cool toys put DM in full control of his social circle.

 

[Tamarind]

All correct, but I would also add that some of those people probably enjoyed DM's company just fine. If, on occasion, they noticed worrisome behaviour, they would be more inclined to overlook it due to the fact they were benefiting financially from the friendship.

That's the very nature of a conflict of interest situation -- constant gifting and cool toys put DM in full control of his social circle.

How do you know gift giving was constant?

Gift giving does not put anyone in full control of a social circle. That he gifted may have encouraged a circle to have some control over him, depending on the circle of course. Unless we know the dynamics of the circle we cannot even begin to grasp who was able to use any dynamic, if in fact anyone did, to benefit from it.

It is easy to make assumptions about this and that, but I see no proof of any worrisome behaviour witnessed by these friends.

It seems to me that there are a lot of assumptions being passed of as facts in this case. JMO

 

[matou]

I was just on Dee Em's facebook and there's something weird. Under born, at the beginning, it says July 14th, 2014 at 2:25 a.m when you hover over the date. What's up with that?

https://www.facebook.com/100001853005348/posts/705653616173065/