Wayne Millard Murder Trial - Dellen Millard Charged With Murder - #1

[deugirtni]

I would definitely be rubbing my forehead, and shaking my head, in a "how did this happen" manner. Does he even sip any water? I haven't watched the whole video yet.

People can also tend to 'shake', and become chilly when undergoing emotional events, I have been told it is the body's reaction to 'shock'. There was none of that.

 

[deugirtni]

It's seems so strange DM and MB mention being an alcoholic at this point. Man sleeping with blood on his pillow doesn't say alcoholic like a slip on the stairs or floor even...Wonder why they seem to think it is pertinent.

Good point, like.. wouldn't the first thing one might wonder, be whether the man could've perhaps fallen, due to his bad back and less than 100% ability to move around? Perhaps he had endured a fall of some kind and then gone to bed? But no... alcohol!

 

[Kamille]

Adam Carter‏Verified account @AdamCarterCBC 4m4 minutes ago
Madeleine Burns also told him that Wayne Millard had "battled alcoholism over the years," Bevilacqua says. #Millard

Adam Carter‏Verified account @AdamCarterCBC 4m4 minutes ago
We're now taking the lunch break. Back at 2:15 p.m. #Millard

 

[Kamille]

I will not be available to post the tweets after lunch. Here's the link to AC's twitter account if anyone is able to do it.

Adam Carter (@AdamCarterCBC) | Twitter

 

[JuneBug67]

DM specifically asked what was the next size up from a 26'er, and officer said 40 ozer. He made the hand measurement, obviously exaggerating, because his hand made it look like he was talking a 2 foot bottle. Even if you take it to the next size, which is a '60 oz'er', that's still only average 4.3oz per night. A far cry from the raging alcoholism that was apparently portrayed to the medics on scene. I have myself witnessed functioning alcoholics who put down a 40oz'er per day, and still, amazingly didn't end up exploding with blood. Again, not to diminish alcoholism's horrible effects on families and people, but just saying. moo.

A Texas Mickey is 101 oz and IS about 2 feet high! LOL. Of course I can't say what he actually meant, but that was one big bottle he indicated with his hands. His words and gestures didn't really make sense together. You would think though that a young guy into the party scene would come up with something other than "bigger than a 26" if he meant a really big bottle, even if he didn't drink liquor himself.

 

[Ontario Mom]

I will not be available to post the tweets after lunch. Here's the link to AC's twitter account if anyone is able to do it.

Adam Carter (@AdamCarterCBC) | Twitter

Thanks for posting them today, it's much appreciated.

 

[SomeITGuy]

Or did you mean there is something more to the meaning of shooting someone in the eye? Isn't that a reference in the movie The Godfather?

MOO

This.

More to the meaning, within their "circle" at the least.

 

[JoS13]

People can also tend to 'shake', and become chilly when undergoing emotional events, I have been told it is the body's reaction to 'shock'. There was none of that.

Well to be fair the interview took place several hours after the initial "shock" of "finding" his dad... but still... I agree that it seems like a rehearsed script.
Good observation Shaz14 re: him not having anything to say about Wednesday as that wasn't in his "script"!

 

[Tilly23]

I like this theory but my thought on it would be he smothered him first (essentially either killing him that way or incapacitating him) otherwise I sure there would be a struggle and I doubt you would get a clean shot off. IMO only.

I wonder about this. I keep going back to how all the witnesses say he was laying there as if sleeping, his right hand carefully tucked under his left cheek. I don't have any experience with guns, but in my imagination, a gunshot is somewhat violent? So, shouldn't there have been either some involuntary reflex reaction or an actual movement of the body upon impact? So, maybe he was incapacitated. And if so, wouldn't it be incredibly difficult to pull the trigger on yourself in that state?

MOO

 

[MsSherlock]

I like this theory but my thought on it would be he smothered him first (essentially either killing him that way or incapacitating him) otherwise I sure there would be a struggle and I doubt you would get a clean shot off. IMO only.

This is the first time I've heard WM had oxycodone for pain relief (Johnson said other officers at the scene told her: AC tweets) Wonder if we're going to find out if he had a prescription for them? I had previously heard of his other meds- but not this one, which now has me thinking that DM may have actually drugged him. LE knew that for a reason, and IMHO, it was to explain the presence of oxy in his system if they were to do a blood test. I think enough Oxy with booze could have put him out like a light, maybe even comatose and they'd never be questioned by LE. MOO

 

[deugirtni]

I found it curious when the coroner was giving testimony yesterday, that he mentioned the thumb of WM's left hand being raised, which made him wonder if he had pulled the trigger with his thumb.

First, would that not be a weird way to pull a trigger? I always thought triggers were pulled via forefingers? I'm not a gun person, obviously.

Second, why would the thumb BE in a position like that to begin with? If WM had shot himself and instantly died, then wouldn't his thumb and every other muscle in his body go limp? For his thumb to be raised some 18 hours later, would that not suggest that the gun was removed from his hand at a time AFTER rigor mortis had already set in? And if the gun did not become removed from his hand until rigor mortis had set in, then how/why did the gun come out of his hand at all?

"Adam Carter
Jun 4 2018 11:59 AM
And, he says, to a certain extent, the decision hinged on how his left hand was found with his thumb curled up, which "might have been consistent" with holding the gun and pulling the trigger with his thumb."

 

[chaines]

I found it curious when the coroner was giving testimony yesterday, that he mentioned the thumb of WM's left hand being raised, which made him wonder if he had pulled the trigger with his thumb.

First, would that not be a weird way to pull a trigger? I always thought triggers were pulled via forefingers? I'm not a gun person, obviously.

Second, why would the thumb BE in a position like that to begin with? If WM had shot himself and instantly died, then wouldn't his thumb and every other muscle in his body go limp? For his thumb to be raised some 18 hours later, would that not suggest that the gun was removed from his hand at a time AFTER rigor mortis had already set in? And if the gun did not become removed from his hand until rigor mortis had set in, then how/why did the gun come out of his hand at all?

"Adam Carter
Jun 4 2018 11:59 AM
And, he says, to a certain extent, the decision hinged on how his left hand was found with his thumb curled up, which "might have been consistent" with holding the gun and pulling the trigger with his thumb."

Your first question: you are correct when shooting a gun normally. It's done with forefinger. However, any movie I've ever seen where a suicide or attempt is shown, the person almost always has the gun nozzle facing them and use the thumb - or both actually - to pull the trigger. Unless the person is holding gun to own temple, then it's forefinger. Must say though, never seen or heard of anyone shooting themselves in the eyeball.

Your second question does raise questions....seems odd the thumb would remain in that position after death

 

[6degrees]

Or, if LE were really going to investigate this as a possible murder, why not make it look like something the guy who sold you the gun would do?

Or did you mean there is something more to the meaning of shooting someone in the eye? Isn't that a reference in the movie The Godfather?

MOO

I recall a character named Moe Green in the Godfather, I think Godfather II was shot in the eye through his glasses as he was laying down getting a massage. He was a business partner of the younger Corleone brother Fredo who I think was trying to buy the other Corleones out of the vegas gambling scene. I'd have to check for sure though.

 

[LN33]

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Just came across this pic of MWJ, the thuggish firearms trafficker who sold guns to DM. Not realizing at the time when I first saw it that DMs father had also been shot through the eye, the photo takes a tone beyond creepiness.

Gun in one hand, a wad of folded money (I think?) in the other, I wonder did this photo motivate and portray DMs actions?[/QUOTE

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[LN33]

(My question turned up in the wrong spot and so trying to fix - clumsy, relatively new member)
Is there any information on when this photo (of MWJ with the gun to his eye and the roll of money) was taken? I always thought it was taken after WM's death, but perhaps that wasn't the case.

 

[6degrees]

Interesting that the male and female officers, both of whom also interviewed MB and then DM for almost an hour, seemed to have different perspectives regarding the situation.

I'm wondering how much of that difference in perspective had to do with both experience and bias. Bias comes in many, many forms and all the professionals at the scene may have been impacted by bias to some degree. Being caucasian, well-spoken and reasonably articulate, residing in a leafy, affluent suburb with another supporting family member on scene etc...could all stack up to create bias even in a seasoned professional.

 

[Shaz14]

That's why I had the thought that LB might have been practice for staging a suicide if he was plotting this for some time. Would this gun, in this position etc. work. It's not something you can afford to fail at.

Something that I was just thought about when you mentioned LB....I think that he shot LB. Whether it was practice for WM or not, I'm not sure. Either way, I think it was likely a relatively clean shot, and easy to clean up from. This gave him confidence. When he killed his father it was also relatively clean, the bullet was lodged in his brain. If he hadn't left him there afterwards there probably wouldn't have been nearly as much blood down the side of the mattress and onto the floor. I think when he killed TB he realized that he made a big mistake because that turned out to be VERY messy and basically ruined the truck, which I doubt he was going for since he wanted to actually use the truck after. I can imagine how mad he would have been after he did that. That is probably why MS said he looked like a raging lunatic on the side of the road. Sorry, a little off topic but just a stream of thoughts I had.

ETA: I was reading an interesting article about sociopaths the other day and it was talking about how sociopaths don't experience emotions the same way that most people do, however they do experience the most primitive of emotions such as anger and rage. I'm not an expert but my impression is that they are fairly level emotionally all of the time unless they just snap.

MOO

 

[TiPe Es]

I recall a character named Moe Green in the Godfather, I think Godfather II was shot in the eye through his glasses as he was laying down getting a massage. He was a business partner of the younger Corleone brother Fredo who I think was trying to buy the other Corleones out of the vegas gambling scene. I'd have to check for sure though.

Bugsy Siegel

 

[Velma]

Hi Kamille (and all) - I will take over the tweets this afternoon.

 

[raffielle]

One of the things contributing to the weird vibe is how unnaturally still he is throughout the interview. There is very little use of gestures and he basically looks like a statue that occasionally swivels it's head. It manages to suggest a bit of arrogance, a bit of contempt and a whole lot of emotional flatness. I wonder if this is what a psychopath thinks shocked and sad is supposed to look like.

or if he is aware that the police are trained in body language and tells (things people do when they lie).