"We need every hunter, hiker and walker to keep their eyes out for Kyron"

[Kimster]

Patricia Blackmon was 29 years old when she killed her two-year-old adopted daughter in Dothan, AL in May 1999. Debra Jean Milke was 25 when she killer her four-year-old son in Arizona in 1989.
Dora Luz Durenrostro killed her two daughters, age four and nine, and her son, age 8, when she was 34 years old in San Jacinto, California in 1994.
Caro Socorro was 42 years old when she killer her three sons, age five, eight and 11, in Santa Rosa Valley, California in 1999.
Susan Eubanks murdered her four sons, ages four, six, seven, and 14, in San Marcos, California, in 1996 when she was 33.
Caroline Young was 49 in Haywood, California when she killed her four-year-old granddaughter and six-year-old grandson.
Robin Lee Row was 35 years old when she killed her husband, her 10-year-old son and her eight-year-old daughter in Boise, Idaho in 1992.
Michelle Sue Tharp was 29 years old in Burgettstown, Pennsylvania when she killed her seven-year-old daughter.
Franic Elaine Newton was 21 when she murdered her husband, seven-year-old son and two-year-old daughter in Houston, Texas.
Darlie Lynn Routier was 26 in Rowlett, Texas when she killed her five-year-old son.
Teresa Michelle Lewis killer her 51-year-old husband and 26-year-old step son in Keeling, Virgina when she was 33 years old. <snipped> http://crime.about.com/od/female_offenders/a/mother_killers.htm

Here's a list of women who killed their children. (Makes me so sick!!!)

I couldn't find any cases of step-moms though.

Perhaps as time allows we can look over these cases and see if any took the children to the woods and see if there is a pattern.

 

[Kat]

I remember there was a link on the KC threads where the FBI or some other entity had a description of where a Mother would leave her child that she had murdered.

But IMHO, we can't assume that a stepmother would behave exactly like an adoptive or birth mother.

There is a chance that some Stepmothers are not as bonded with a stepchild and wouldn't subconsiously do the same things that a Mother subconsiously does when she disposes of a murdered child.

(That is not a direct comment about Terri, and it is not a sweeping generalization about stepmoms).

For instance, the one case from KY that has been linked a few times on Kyron's board where a stepmother murdered her stepson, she and a friend murdered the young boy, violently and then burned his body. IIRC.

Quite different from a primary caretaker or a Mother would have done IMHO.

Just some thoughts.

 

[Ms Suzanne]

I do think he will be found in the woods somewhere.I always felt on or near NW brooks rd.but I don't think Terri did anything to him.Maybe someone who worked for the school or a sexual predator.What areas are near where the man Kelley said he saw a white truck? 2:00 am sighting?

 

[tfrohning]

her you go on step mom...this case still haunt me

Stephanie Baker
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they were not. Disposing of the body was one pressing detail. The women decided to dump Scotty in an abandoned strip mine and burn him, but they didn't have any gasoline. On the way to get some, they stopped at Stephanie's trailer home. In a bizarre touch, Stephanie called Donnie's voice mail to leave a tender message. "Hi, sweetheart," she said. "Me and Alex [the couple's dog] just walked around the loop, and I thought I'd call and tell you just how much I miss you, and I love you next to God." She and Susanne then returned to the strip mine, doused Scotty's body with fuel and set it ablaze.
The Stepmother Murder
http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20104652,00.html

 

[tfrohning]

sorry kat I was posting on Stephaine Baker at the same time.

 

[ThoughtFox]

I couldn't find any cases of step-moms though.

Here's a fairly famous one: Scotty Baker, murdered by his step-mom with help from her friend. This one is uncannily like the Hormon case - gives me the creeps!

http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20104652,00.html

ON THE MORNING BEFORE Thanksgiving 1992, 10-year-old Scotty Baker was summoned to the office at Paces Creek Elementary School in the poor, onetime mining town of Manchester, Ky. There school secretary Charlotte Smith told the fifth-grader that a woman had just come to fetch him. Scotty hesitated for an instant, not recognizing the woman, but he responded happily when she gently told him she was taking him to see his father. Moments later they walked out to the parking lot together and got into the woman's Buick Skyhawk. What Scotty didn't know was that, crouched in the backseat, covered by sheets, was his father's second wife, Stephanie Baker, then 22. Minutes later Scotty Baker was dead, strangled by his own stepmother.

. . . Stephanie and Susanne, disguised in a black wig, arrived at Scotty's school. Claiming to be his "cousin," Susanne signed him out of school and drove off with him in her car. When they got to an empty stretch of road, Stephanie suddenly reached into the front seat, grabbed Scotty by the neck and pulled him between the bucket seats. As his stepmother began choking him, he kicked frantically, scuffing the air vents and breaking the gearshift lever. When she was done, Susanne later said, Stephanie triumphantly announced, "Now all my troubles are over."

Of course, they were not. Disposing of the body was one pressing detail. The women decided to dump Scotty in an abandoned strip mine and burn him, but they didn't have any gasoline. On the way to get some, they stopped at Stephanie's trailer home. In a bizarre touch, Stephanie called Donnie's voice mail to leave a tender message. "Hi, sweetheart," she said. "Me and Alex [the couple's dog] just walked around the loop, and I thought I'd call and tell you just how much I miss you, and I love you next to God." She and Susanne then returned to the strip mine, doused Scotty's body with fuel and set it ablaze.

 

[ThoughtFox]

sorry kat I was posting on Stephaine Baker at the same time.

Me too! Sorry to be repetitious! :angel:

 

[Oriah]

Some Canadian cases- but it does cite some mothers and stepmothers.
A wide variety of murdered children and their found locations, unfortunately.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/missingchildren/childmurders.html

 

[xin]

Women will not tend to go too far into the woods. Men would track further back and look for landmarks to do their deed. Birds of prey will have taken what they want by now.

Women will cover their deed with blankets, bags, etc. Men might use bags, drag with a blanket. They will more likely bury the body than a woman. A woman will only do that with preparation. She'll not want to spend a lot of time in the woods with a dead body.

Men will tend to do this away from where they assume hunters might wander in, and a woman will not consider that at all.

JMO.

Thanks.
Maybe I missed it, but we need to know what Terri did the day before Kyron's disappearance. Could she have shopped for equipment intended for evil deeds?

 

[tfrohning]

I just watch a doc on ID channel last week on this one. Broke my heart but mom never gave up.

Stepmom charged in boy's death 22 years ago

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Rosalind Brown, 50, and Montel Pettiford, 43, are accused of poisoning, then drowning Christopher Brown in 1985 in the Flint River about 60 miles north of Detroit
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18853422/

 

[tfrohning]

It still bothering me about the man that was interview early on about the white truck and the woman by the school.

I always thought that whoever it was was checking to see if something had been found. (like Scott Peterson checking the area of the bay)

I hope the guy check out this area well. I pretty sure that the search team did but it make me feel that Kyron is close to the school (just a theory if I thought he was dead)

 

[tfrohning]

OT but this update on Baker that p me off!
Convicted kidnapper, killer leaves prison after 15 years served
By Allison Altizer Johnston
Tue May 06, 2008, 09:34 PM EDT

Convicted killer Susanne Baker walked free Thursday, after serving only 15 of the 25 years to which she was sentenced.

http://www.sentinel-echo.com/local/x155250358/Susanne-Baker-walks-free

so this murder is walking free.

 

[just]

I just watch a doc on ID channel last week on this one. Broke my heart but mom never gave up.

Stepmom charged in boy's death 22 years ago

snip
Rosalind Brown, 50, and Montel Pettiford, 43, are accused of poisoning, then drowning Christopher Brown in 1985 in the Flint River about 60 miles north of Detroit
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18853422/

I saw that show soon after Kyron went missing and couldn't help but wonder at the coincidences. The stepmom said she put McDonald's on the table and ran an errand (I believe) and came back and Christopher was just gone. The mom didn't believe that for a minute but it took so long to find out, then prosecute, the SM and her husband for poisoning and molesting Christopher before dumping him in the river. Very very sad.

 

[Chili Fries]

Land owners in general need to be aware. A good example is the discovery of Morgan Harrington's remains. They were found by a property owner 3 months after she disappeared, on a remote area of a property the owner visited infrequently. Morgan's remains had not been concealed very well, so they were easily visible to the owner when he happened to walk near them.

In Kyron's case it obviously depends on whether his body was buried carefully or is in the water, which may depend on the amount of help she got from accomplices. If DeDe helped then he would probably be on or near the farm where she was working but is probably buried and concealed well. If she handed him or his body off to someone else then he could be anywhere in any state of concealment. I think the best chance of finding his body, if he is unfortunately deceased, is if Terri worked alone.

 

[Billylee]

OT but this update on Baker that p me off!
Convicted kidnapper, killer leaves prison after 15 years served
By Allison Altizer Johnston
Tue May 06, 2008, 09:34 PM EDT

Convicted killer Susanne Baker walked free Thursday, after serving only 15 of the 25 years to which she was sentenced.

http://www.sentinel-echo.com/local/x155250358/Susanne-Baker-walks-free

so this murder is walking free.

That just burns my arse! Who are the people who let these people out of prison for freakin' "good behavior", there were no little children to abuse or murder where she's been......Good grief, another sicko out on the streets!

 

[LotsaLatte]

Land owners in general need to be aware. A good example is the discovery of Morgan Harrington's remains. They were found by a property owner 3 months after she disappeared, on a remote area of a property the owner visited infrequently. Morgan's remains had not been concealed very well, so they were easily visible to the owner when he happened to walk near them.

In Kyron's case it obviously depends on whether his body was buried carefully or is in the water, which may depend on the amount of help she got from accomplices. If DeDe helped then he would probably be on or near the farm where she was working but is probably buried and concealed well. If she handed him or his body off to someone else then he could be anywhere in any state of concealment. I think the best chance of finding his body, if he is unfortunately deceased, is if Terri worked alone.

I agree that land owners need to be aware, I rarely walk on all of my property.
I am wondering if TH or anyone else present at the time Kyron disappeared, left him somewhere and he was moved later (pre-planned or panic driven move.)

 

[AbbieNormal]

Look to the air for birds of prey.

He may be completely decomposed and skeletal (sorry, hated writing that) by now, birds of prey would have been first few weeks (if he wasn't buried) JMO
Poor baby Kyron.

abbie

 

[AbbieNormal]

Women will not tend to go too far into the woods. Men would track further back and look for landmarks to do their deed. Birds of prey will have taken what they want by now.

Women will cover their deed with blankets, bags, etc. Men might use bags, drag with a blanket. They will more likely bury the body than a woman. A woman will only do that with preparation. She'll not want to spend a lot of time in the woods with a dead body.

Men will tend to do this away from where they assume hunters might wander in, and a woman will not consider that at all.

JMO.

I think she planned this in advance and had a spot picked and a hole dug, before the day Kyron disappeared.. JMO.

 

[AbbieNormal]

So, we are assuming that it was TH that disappeared Kyron?
Or that it was a woman that disappeared Kyron?
A woman, who doesn't hunt, but knows the area that disappeared Kyron?

She didn't have to be a hunter or even "know the area", all she had to do is find a rather isolated road and get a whole dug or whatever, and then later put Kyron there.
I never traipse in the woods but I would have no problem dumping/ hiding a body off of a road in the woods. JMO

 

[Aedrys]

She didn't have to be a hunter or even "know the area", all she had to do is find a rather isolated road and get a whole dug or whatever, and then later put Kyron there.
I never traipse in the woods but I would have no problem dumping/ hiding a body off of a road in the woods. JMO

I agree, but I must say, with that last statement, let me never get on your bad side, LOL.