"We need every hunter, hiker and walker to keep their eyes out for Kyron"

[eyes4crime]

I think she planned this in advance and had a spot picked and a hole dug, before the day Kyron disappeared.. JMO.

Even if she did dig a spot the day before, wouldn't Terri have had to get the body in and cover the hole back up? Did she use a shovel and where was the dirt? Nobody does that without getting somewhat dirty. moo

Did she change her clothes before going to FM and again before arriving at the gym. How many different attires was she in that day? Wonder if there is video of Terri in different clothes. moo

 

[Aedrys]

Even if she did dig a spot the day before, wouldn't Terri have had to get the body in and cover the hole back up? Did she use a shovel and where was the dirt? Nobody does that without getting somewhat dirty. moo

Did she change her clothes before going to FM and again before arriving at the gym. How many different attires was she in that day? Wonder if there is video of Terri in different clothes. moo

I'm wondering if it wasn't Dede that at least filled the hole back in for her that day, or maybe even dug it for her in the first place. Dede was working on a farm. If anyone asked why her clothes were dirty, she could say it was because she was gardening. Or maybe no one would ask since you're expected to get dirty when you garden.

All Terri would have to do is put him in the hole. No dirt on her clothes, no reason to change.

 

[AbbieNormal]

I've talked about this on the dreams thread, but I'll bring it up here too. I don't think he's just lying in the woods. I've always had the feeling that where ever he is, he's whole. That word has resonated with me since the beginning of this case. I am still puzzled as to what that means, but I don't think it means it's him laying out in the woods. Poor Caylee's bones were scattered over a large area. I don't see Kyron the same way. It's like he's all in one spot or something, nothing missing.

I think he might be in something in the woods, like an abandoned basement or well. Besides, as much as Terri doesn't want to get caught, I highly doubt she'd just toss him in the woods somewhere where someone could literally trip over him. If her planning is so good that they can't tie to her very well to him missing from school, then she was smart enough to plan a place to hide him so that for her sake, he wouldn't be found.

I do think it's a good idea for everyone to keep a lookout, though. They should do so with all senses, not just sight. I think where ever he is will eventually be found.

I don't think he was ever in the truck deceased. I think she might hvae purchased or already had a large rubbermaid type container and figured if she put Kyron in it and buried it, dogs would not get the scent from the closed container under ground. Just a crazy hunch.
So you'de think possibly someone would remember her (the red hair) buying such a container, maybe not I duno how much cashiers really pay attention to. Maybe she asked DeDe to buy this container, and maybe thats the secret between her and DeDe. Just guessing.

Theres some train of thought about what Pat Brown said, I don;t remember it exactly but it was something like most bodies are dumped X feet off of a road, etc They have it down to a science, how murderers think and dispose of their victims.

all JMO

 

[AbbieNormal]

Yeah, y'all are right...way too late for the scavenger birds if Kyron is indeed in the woods somewhere.

As for possible location I would say it's a place Terri is familiar with and has probably gone to on more than one occasion. I think it's close to Kyron's home and may have a deep well or a body of water and I don't think Terri buried him, if indeed she did kill him. I think she hid his body in a well, in water, or under something, like a pier and beam building or house, or in an abandoned house, or an underground tunnel or sewer system.
All just my thoughts and humble opinion of course.

As for finding him...I believe if anyone ever does, it will be purely accidental, they will just happen upon his remains.

Good thoughts. Never thought of some of those places.

I think he will be happened upon also. Could take many seasons of waiting for that to happen, sadly.

 

[AbbieNormal]

I agree, but I must say, with that last statement, let me never get on your bad side, LOL.

Oh I would never hurt a fly. And my bad side is very tiny, no room for you there it's full up!

I'm just saying, after all I have read over the years finding a place to dump would not be a challenge, I don't think. JMO.

 

[AbbieNormal]

Even if she did dig a spot the day before, wouldn't Terri have had to get the body in and cover the hole back up? Did she use a shovel and where was the dirt? Nobody does that without getting somewhat dirty. moo

Did she change her clothes before going to FM and again before arriving at the gym. How many different attires was she in that day? Wonder if there is video of Terri in different clothes. moo

Good questions, maybe she had throw-away clothes (sneakers, pants, etc) and also disposed of shovel. LE is not dumb, even one grain of dirt/ debris on her sneakers could nail her. Terri was said to be into CSI, maybe she thought this out and planed for this. She cold have changed in the woods ( 10 seconds), taken the bagged soiled disposeable clothing, and with all that time she spent "driving" disposed of the bag and shovel in a far-away dumpster. I don't know the area at all so I can only speculate so much. JMO.

abbie

 

[yosande]

It was said that Terri's teen age son was camping with his dad that weekend, then I read he wasn't but was at the house all along. In any case, since she mentioned a place, ie camping, around a favorite campsite might be a place to look.

Kaine also mentioned a place where he thought Kyron might be, a horse place?
I'm sure that was searched already.

He could be as far as two hours away though, and if Terri is the one, and she disposed of him herself, they should be thinking of any places she would know in a two hour radius.

Since imo the kidnapping was planned, it would also seem if he was dumped somewhere, that was preplanned as well.

It would be unwise to have help so I'm thinking she did this alone, unless she knows someone in Troutdale, or Fairview, especially someone with a boat.. moo Idk, just throwing thoughts out there/
jmo, though

 

[pufnstuf]

My thinking is that this whole thing was planned well and far in advance with every detail polished. I think that his body will never be found, unless somehow he has been unearthed by animals. He's more than likely been--sigh--buried in such an obscure location that it will take sheer luck to find him.

Sorry for the grotesque imagery.

 

[ThoughtFox]

My thinking is that this whole thing was planned well and far in advance with every detail polished. I think that his body will never be found, unless somehow he has been unearthed by animals. He's more than likely been--sigh--buried in such an obscure location that it will take sheer luck to find him.

Well, maybe not. I think TH and whoever helped her thought they would get away free and never be under suspician. People in that frame of mind tend to make stupid mistakes, and one reason Terri and DeDe were so scared and worried might be that they never got to return to the crime scene and clean things up better.

After reading all the search posts from the Caylee Anthony case for months at a time, it was remarkable they found that child down the street from the grandparents house in a place that should have been searched the first day. Casey was in that same frame of mind - they won't suspect me, question my story, or ever arrest me. I still have hope that they will find Kyron somewhere close. :twocents:

But as you say - there is luck, too. Never underestimate luck in these cases.

 

[butterfly1978]

I think Terri is responsible for his death but I don't think that Terri killed Kyron........Let me explain. I think Kyron was alive in the truck and willingly went with Terri, I think she went to the store and got some meds and made Kyron take them maybe made him sleepy, took him out to a place maybe in the woods and took his glasses and left him there. He was blind without his glasses, maybe drugged, and just abandonded somewhere.

 

[Calliope]

Here's a fairly famous one: Scotty Baker, murdered by his step-mom with help from her friend. This one is uncannily like the Hormon case - gives me the creeps!

http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20104652,00.html

http://www.sentinel-echo.com/local/x155250358/Susanne-Baker-walks-free

Friend only served 15 years. SM will have served 23 when up for parole.

 

[gardeness]

"We need every hunter, hiker and walker to keep their eyes out for Kyron"

This reminds me of the reporter and the bloody sock--was there ever a follow-up on that?

 

[Kat010]

"We need every hunter, hiker and walker to keep their eyes out for Kyron"

This reminds me of the reporter and the bloody sock--was there ever a follow-up on that?

I haven't heard anything new. I can't imagine why, with a high-profile missing child case, a report of finding a child-sized bloody sock, given by a credible source, got shoved aside so much. Sigh.

 

[eyes4crime]

"We need every hunter, hiker and walker to keep their eyes out for Kyron"

This reminds me of the reporter and the bloody sock--was there ever a follow-up on that?

BBM

I like this message: every hunter, hiker and walker need to keep their eyes open for Kyron - can't think of a truer statement or a more productive call for help. hoo

Fully believe that Kyron will be found somewhat close to home. Hopefully, sooner than we expect. moo mho

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

When I have entertained the possibility that Kyron is deceased, I think about him being in water.

 

[LindseyLou]

I agree that she probably wouldn't have buried him - if she did, it was just enough to cover him - not deep enough to never be found.

I'm willing to bet that if she did need to hide his body that she had the place all figured out prior to putting him there. I believe that she planned this all out like some murder mystery novel and I'm more than willing to bet that she thought at some point to herself or said outloud to a friend, after watching her crime shows, "if I were going to kill someone and dispose of a body, I would put it at location X and it would NEVER be found" and that's where he is if she did do something to him. I think she's more calculated than Casey Anthony and therefore wouldn't just toss him somewhere off the side of a road. I just keep picturing this vertical concrete pipe with maybe a lid and/or possibly water at the bottom of it it - sort of like a well or abandoned construction or even old farm land.

Another thing I keep thinking about lately is how right when he disappeared they were announcing that he can't see very well without his glasses and how he wouldn't have ventured very far from the school because he's afraid of getting lost. Do you think she would have played up on that aspect to try to make it look like an accident? I also remember them saying there were lots of blackberry or briar patches (?) and anyone could easily get lost in them and never find their way out. I just wonder if that has any relevance to his location.

I'm still just sooooo puzzled as to what would give her enough reason to kill this child that she pretty much helped raise. It would've had to be something monumental for her to go to these extremes and I still can't figure out any motive that makes sense as to why she would have just stashed him somewhere. I'm truly puzzled with this one.

 

[Cher352]

I think if he is buried in the woods it will not be very deep or in a clearing by my experience. One of our cats died while my DH was out of town. I tried to bury him in a wooded area. Way too many roots, vines, etc to be to able to dig a hole very deep only got as far as enough to barely cover him. Since then with other pets my DH as done it and always picked a spot in a pretty big clearing.

 

[LindseyLou]

Thanks.
Maybe I missed it, but we need to know what Terri did the day before Kyron's disappearance. Could she have shopped for equipment intended for evil deeds?

Good point. Did she hire any landscapers to dig ANYWHERE????

 

[cluciano63]

One of the reasons I think this must have been accidental, if Terri is guilty, is because I can't imagine a reason for killing Kyron, unless she is truly insane.

Therefore, I can't imagine a pre-planned spot to bury him.

(The other reason I can't get to pre-planned is the totally wonky alibi, missing an hour or so. I would have made sure to be on camera or at home on my computer, unless we are assuming she drove Kyron around until 10AM and then spent the time between 10-11:20 or so to dispose of him. Which doesn't make sense either...nothing makes sense about Terri doing this, to me.)

 

[Donjeta]

One of the reasons I think this must have been accidental, if Terri is guilty, is because I can't imagine a reason for killing Kyron, unless she is truly insane.

Therefore, I can't imagine a pre-planned spot to bury him.

(The other reason I can't get to pre-planned is the totally wonky alibi, missing an hour or so. I would have made sure to be on camera or at home on my computer, unless we are assuming she drove Kyron around until 10AM and then spent the time between 10-11:20 or so to dispose of him. Which doesn't make sense either...nothing makes sense about Terri doing this, to me.)

Murdering a child never makes sense but my criminal brain kinda gets the wonky alibi. If I had to spend an hour disposing of a body and can't get a good alibi for that time I might figure that it's less suspicious to have a gap some time after the disappearance than immediately. It would have looked worse IMO if Kyron was last seen at nine-ish and Terri had gone driving for an hour and a half from 9 to 10.30 am. I might like to be on camera doing something innocent like shopping immediately after the disappearance so that people can say that surely I wouldn't have gone shopping if I had just abducted or murdered a child and I wouldn't have had time anyway.