weekend break: discuss the latest here #123

[suspicious1]

She even had her own investigator!

Really?!

I did not know that.....:what:

 

[gypsyblue]

BBM

You're not the only one. The first video has 290 hits right now. The second one 10. :giggle:

Linky please tyia

 

[askeptikalhippo]

It's not very often I get to watch the trial (more often than not I have to listen while I work :fence: ) but I did get to see some of the trial from yesterday and made a few observations of ALV's physical appearance yesterday.

Mark my words: her non-verbals are NOT getting past the jury. They're seeing this unprofessionalism and disrespect (IMO) and I do think it will reflect how they feel about her "testimony".

 

[Little Mel in ATL]

I'd be prepared to bet that all her diaries were seized in the beginning and photocopies made so you would be able to compare to the originals in any event. However that's not to say she didn't spend three weeks doctoring them knowing full well they would be brought into evidence. That JA even mentions the diaries in her interview with Det Fl makes me think she really wanted them read.

:yes: No question in my mind she wanted the whole world to read her diary entries, just like she wanted everyone to see ALL the receipts she had saved to prove she was not at TA's house on the day he was murdered, as her mother told DF during her interview with him.

 

[JayB12]

Someone on a previous thread aptly changed the spelling to Alyce in Juanderland. Perfect!!! :clap:

This made me think of the John Mayer song...

Your Body is a Juanderland


Now that I have instilled this thought into the minds of the many adoring WS female fans...I will carefully step back to avoid getting trampled.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I just watched Juan's OS because I had not seen all of it and IMO he has proved everything he told the jury he would prove.

Willmott's Opening made me chuckle because IMO she and KN have not proved self defense by a long shot.

IMO

 

[SmoothOperator]

Snipped by me.

ALV was initially retained as the DT's Mitigation Specialist.

Thank you, gauntlet..so, I was incorrect regarding there ever being any type of neutral position wrt Prosecution vs. Defense.. she has from day one "worked" for the Defense.. but initially her job did not involve any testimony throughout the course of the trial, but rather her role was played in the penalty phase.. thanks for clarifying for me, gauntlet.

Now, I ponder on what/who came to believe Miss ALV was actually needed for her testimony during the actual trial?

Was she the piece to the defense puzzle that would allow Jodi to play the victim of abuse role more effectively by Jodi maintaining her striving to IN NO WAY "DE-EDIFY" TRAVIS?..BUT rather Alyce come in behind Jodi's sheepish, abused and frail role, and be the one to actually paint the vibrant, colorful illustration of Travis the evil abuser who literally forced this frail creature to slaughter him?

hmmm..seems to me that this is likely exactly what role Alyce was assigned in this horrific, sideshow this Defense is putting on..jmo.

 

[rose222]

HLN has shown the opening statements this afternoon. I didn't see the start of this trial, so I watched JM. What struck me most is, this girl who sees herself as so intelligent was just SO incredibly stupid and clumsy in the way she went about this murder. Her planning and her alibis were just so soap opera standard! Her anger just got the best of her intellect I guess?

I see a lot of manipulation. The amount of planning (to cover her tracks) is astounding. She thought about her journals, colour of car and hair, gas cans, gas receipts, license plates, phone turned off etc....

She obviously didn't do a good job of covering up evidence post murder. No one, not even a person who premeditates a murder can know how the murder will really play out. She was sloppy in that regard although she'd get a B+ for her efforts.

 

[MeeBee]

OT

Hey Little Mel...Be on the lookout for the Louisville Cardinals to be in your city....We're coming!

Go Cards! :seeya:

I hope today everyone is wearing red....it's National WARE red day!

sorry for the ot.

GAH! Sorry for the OT as well, but go Lousiville! I'm not even a fan but watch college B-Ball sporadically, but OMG, poor Kevin Ware! What a great kid though and what a great team!

 

[TartLemon]

The THs keep asking "is this what sent Jodi over the edge".

Jodi is the one who kept putting herself on the edge. Travis didn't want her. Never went to her. He told Jodi to stay away. She kept reappearing.

Travis did not go to her. Jodi ALWAYS went to him.

 

[VALee]

She had 5 1/2 weeks to manufacture evidence. IIRC, some have said the rest of the shirt or perhaps the back of it, says something about Bigger Better Blog. In other words, the shirt in total reads Travis Alexander's Bigger Better Blog. The shorts, well I did some comparison on the fonts. IMO, they are not the same, but whatever, no proof where they came from, or that they even exist, she could have photo-shopped them for all we know.

 

[Horace Finklestein]

Her behavior on the stand was simply bizarre. She really lives the fantasy that men are out to get her. I have no idea what led her down this irrational path, but it's just unbelievable. The idea of someone so unprofessional and behind the times is condescending to JM is insane.

 

[Nosey Parker]

I agree! Obviously she thought they'd be read or why bother with all the nonsense entries after TA was found dead? It wouldn't be difficult to create one journal in a couple of days and she had lots of time before being arrested. Also didn't Paul Sterns, who loaned her money just before June 2nd, say she spent all her time writing in her journal in the bar/restaurant? Some of the mistakes she makes and words she crosses out, the few I've seen, look like the sort of mistakes you make when you're copying rather than writing. And the handwriting looks too consistent ......

Oh, for sure they were meant to be read by relevant others, and memorized by her. Even Samuels said a person remembers better when they write something down. Freudian slip?

... and who lies to themselves in their journals??

She is a cunning and devious killer. Heaven forbid that jury lets her out into society again!

 

[tinkabella]

With the computer witness coming up in rebuttal is he going to further prove that Travis had no /boys images on his computer? i think the point was made but i'm hoping that he's gives info on Jodi's computer. Maybe showing her looking up stuff like "How to murder and get away with it" or showing her hacking into Travis' computer and sending herself emails..I'm curious to as what he will bring to the table. I wonder why there isn't more info on what jodi was doing on her computer.

 

[megmono]

Gotta get back to work but had to share that said boyfriend
Who hates this trial and supposedly does not watch
Just sent me a txt to tell me
"Now Pebbles is addressing the jury " lol

My poor husband let me pose him in the shower to get angles right, let me drag him down our tile hallway wet, even let me drag him over the elevated part of the shower to see if it was possible. I'm currently not working so when he calls me during the day and asks what I'm doing he replies " I'll let you get back to killing the b-word. " he won't watch hln shows at night w me but he sure asks about updates. He even likes me to read kcl and pasa observations but won't participate after his workday lol. Ill take what I can get, even of I have to watch march madness.

 

[gauntlet]

This made me think of the John Mayer song...

Your Body is a Juanderland


Now that I have instilled this thought into the minds of the many adoring WS female fans...I will carefully step back to avoid getting trampled.

His intelligence and wit win equal points

 

[VALee]

Someone on a previous thread aptly changed the spelling to Alyce in Juanderland. Perfect!!! :clap:

Indeed, and she's only just entered the front gate, a full service tour of Juanderland awaits.

 

[rose222]

I've studied the lingo and am preparing the lexicon for those who don't speak 'Jodese'.

Some excerpts:

• "Fog" = Convenient and selective amnesia
• "The gun went off" (all by itself) = I shot Travis
• "Travis died" (all by himself) = I murdered Travis
• "It" (Gramps' stolen .45) = The gun I used to shoot Travis
• "De-edify" = Comes after Ce-edify and before Ee-edify
• "Contemporaneous with" = $20 phrase I use to impress the GED-challenged
• "That chaotic pattern that paper falls" = Please believe this pedophile crap
• "Special mouth hugs" and "Generous facials" = Just what you think it means
• "Spun me around" = Open for business

Truth Detector. I hereby declare you to be an expert in the field of 'Jodese'.
:floorlaugh:

 

[ohiogirl]

I agree with the slippery slope that might ensue from answering a closed question that requires elaboration, but it would be easier to accept if you aren't trying to argue every yes or no question. That's simply obfuscation,no matter how you rationalize it. When Juan asks, "Isn't that one of your main tools," that is an obviously simple yes or no question. It does not commit you to saying "it is my main tool," but that is exactly how she tried to justify her unwillingness to answer. There's only one of two ways to see that. She either isn't listening to the question carefully, or she is intentionally being obtuse to avoid answering. The latter is most likely given her later responses.

Recall that at a certain point she mentions that she does "not know what he is trying to say," and other statements in a similar vein. This statement is not consistent with active listening. What she is obviously doing is attempting to stay ahead of the prosecutor and prepare her answers -- or her obstruction to those answers -- appropriately. Given the painful results, it is clear she does not think fast enough to be able to play that game with this particular person. In any event, that is not what she is there for. She should simply answer the questions to the best of her ability as the so-called "expert" she purports to be.

A professional would recognize that there may be alternatives to his or her conclusions. The fact that she is unwilling to acknowledge even the slightest possibility of her fallibility is telling and does not speak well for her.

Finally, even if a simple yes or no answer would be insufficient owing to a need for further elaboration, she could simply state that as she answered. We saw that several times with Dr. Samuels. He tried similar tactics with JM, but realized at some point that it was easier for him to simply say, "I would say yes, but I would need to elaborate." JM can either allow that or not depending. If it's of earth-shattering importance, it will be up to the defense to handle it on redirect.

I understand what you're saying about JM attempting to engineer people into a tight box with some of the questioning -- but he doesn't do it with every question. The problem, in my view, is that when witnesses like these are trying to guess his strategy rather than simply answering, they become constantly obfuscative and combative. If they would choose their battles more wisely -- such as in the instances you've highlighted here, where a closed answer would be inadequate -- the jury would view them much more favorably in my estimation.

:cow:

Totally agreeing with you on this one. If she felt completely comfortable and justified in her conclusions, she wouldn't be so defensive.
She knows she is in for a battle, and she wants JM to come off as domineering. jmo
have a good weekend all:seeya:

 

[Truth Detector]

I don't think so. I think she was retained as a mitigation WITNESS (i.e., to testify only in the penalty phase) but later agreed to testify in the guilt phase as well.

For weeks, the only Mitigation Specialist of record has been Sue Stodola.