weekend break: discuss the latest here #123

[Annie]

Maybe the PT should send a spy on 4/6 in case Alyce slips and talks about the case... But then she might not be allowed to testify and we wouldn't get to see her reduced to rubble on Monday.

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I think she will have to testify. If she comes up with some plan to not testify, I hope they send the sheriff after her and drag her into court. It wouldn't surprise me if she does come up with some excuse. It is so obvious that she coached Jodi on how to act when questioned, or they both took their training from JW. It is amusing to me how confident she is when JW is guiding her to the page and telling her what line so she can read them, looking up every few words like she is just recollecting. Then she is totally lost when Juan asks about something and she doesn't have the page and line. The whole bunch has very selective memory. Is the FOG catching?

 

[SusieD]

J5 was a very active juror, taking notes, asking questions. Her questions are probably the reason she was dismissed. The one about "" was probably commented on in the jury room, without a doubt and that is what did her in. She may not have said a word but it could have been enough to get her dismissed. She was discharged for misconduct and I have to say if I did nothing wrong I would not be hiding my head in the sand. I see her with two choices: 1) give a statement of what happened and how she was not the one to blame for her dismissal; or 2) show up at court and let everyone know she has done nothing wrong and deserves to finish this trial even if it's from the gallery.

If she does not show up on Monday that was all she wanted to do. If she does show up on Monday she is committed to finishing out this trial even if she has to sit in the gallery to do so. She has a lot of courage and she is showing us all she will not be intimidated by defense. If anyone would discourage her from being there it would be Travis' family and they are supporting her right to be there. That should be enough for us to accept J5's right to take part in a public trial. jmo

I have never questioned her right to participate in a public trial. It's her attention-seeking behavior and agenda that I object to and comment on.

And again, you say what all of "us" should think and do. I respect you, your posts and your opinions, but I'm not part of your "us."

 

[Sleuth5]

:floorlaugh:

Yes, she can stab equally well with both hands...

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[AlwaysOnTheCase]

Strange coincidence?...Jodi's birthday is July 9th, so is OJ Simpsons and Amanda Knox.

 

[EGirl]

InSession was replaying ALV direct, regarding June 4.

What it seems ALV took away from that day...how horrible it must be for the defendant's genital area to be on blast in the worldwideweb.

ALV also stated the defendant wrote things in her journal she never thought anyone would see.

Well let's take a look at a few pages of the defendant's journal entries she never thought anyone would see, starting with June 10, 2008.







http://images.bimedia.net/documents/Arias2.pdf

Does she write on #0397 that she is happy she 'ceased' the opportunity? Not 'seized'?

 

[katiewonders]

Strange coincidence?...Jodi's birthday is July 9th, so is OJ Simpsons and Amanda Knox.

Nah, just selection bias, I'm sure there are wonderful people you would admire/respect born on 7/9, too. :fence:

 

[Schuby]

I think the fact that we are even here talking about juror 5 right now instead of the case is a clear enough indicator that it's a distraction.

 

[gauntlet]

I don't understand Tricolour. She first put out a statement and then attended court the next day. She knew it would cause a ruckus and it did. The cameras were on her far too much. I wanted to know what else was happening in the court. If she is after the money, she will probably want to interview sooner than later. Once deliberations start, the media will be after the jurors who were alternates, and certainly after judgement day, the media will be after the 12.

If she is going to speak sooner than later, I hope she stays away from the court now. I understand why she attended one day as a message to the DT but assuming she does an interview, she is going to get more and more questions from the media each time she comes.

 

[hindsight2020]

I am sorry I haven't read this morning. I just watched the replay of JM opening cross of ALV and I am furious with the judge. She needs to take control of that courtroom.

There was so much disrespect going on that I can not list it.

Has anyone that has been on a jury or any attorneys ever seen anything like this. I have not in my experience.

Sorry for the rant so early in the a.m.

I frown when court does not start on time, the endless sidebars, the chamber meetings, etc. much as I want criticize the judge, I can't, I like her, I would have to walk in her shoes to do so. I think it may be the manner in which courts run in AZ time, lol, at any rate, she seems fair to both sides.

 

[BritsKate]

Such a GREAT observation! Within 5 minutes, I saw the exact same defiant, snarky attitude with ALV on cross that I saw with JA.

I thought yesterday's testimony from ALV was scary, actually. Calling TA the perpetrator, approaching his sister during a break, sparring with JM rather than just answering "yes" or "no." It all demonstrated an arrogance and egoism I had only seen in JA up to this point. But, worse than that, was the passive aggressive "Are you mad at me, Mr. Martinez?" condescending calm laced with sarcasm that she attempted to sell on the stand. It didn't come across well.

She thinks she is smarter than him and, frankly, she came across as almost narcissistic to me. Anybody who gets up on that stand to tell THIS whale of a tale spun from texts and emails and journals and JA's pathologically lying lips must have some kind of ego, IMO.

Many TH's and some on here didn't appreciate JM's explosive approach. I did. Not only is it his style, it's the only way he can pin down these witnesses on key points. His JOB is to discredit them and their findings. Frankly, we can speculate all day, but I don't think anybody knows exactly WHERE JM is going with the Snow White line of questioning. I like that, mainly because I'm sure the DT doesn't.

One of the key points he made, I thought, was that ALV needed the journals and exhibits in front of her to make her "case." He had to press her to remember key phrases and subject matter. Essentially, he took away her crib notes. And she didn't fare as well. He didn't have to use his patented "Do you have a memory problem?" question. He demonstrated it. (I think JW will pay for that snarky remark in a BIG way.)

I understand that ALV first signed on as the mitigation specialist. She spent 44 hours with JA. I wonder what kind of "coaching" she did on how to "handle" JM.

Somebody should have TOLD her it didn't work out well for JA. I see the same fate for her. :twocents:

I was livid the judge didn't admonish her. It rather mirrored Jodi's testimony when she stated she only had a reaction when men were yelling at her, like the prosecutor. If memory serves, Samuels also made similar statements. None of which was ever addressed by the court.

I see it as a self-serving ploy to paint the State, by defending the image of an 'abusive, big bad meanie' who Jodi obviously had to kill to save herself, into an intimidating, condescending, and abusive bully all on his own. Of course, everyone who disagrees with, or questions, Jodi's assessment of events must be, by definition, themselves abusive, unsympathetic, and totally devoid of either compassion or comprehension.

 

[SusieD]

I think she will have to testify. If she comes up with some plan to not testify, I hope they send the sheriff after her and drag her into court. It wouldn't surprise me if she does come up with some excuse. It is so obvious that she coached Jodi on how to act when questioned, or they both took their training from JW. It is amusing to me how confident she is when JW is guiding her to the page and telling her what line so she can read them, looking up every few words like she is just recollecting. Then she is totally lost when Juan asks about something and she doesn't have the page and line. The whole bunch has very selective memory. Is the FOG catching?

She got used to JW's "questions" which were stated as the answer, followed by the "right?" (the actual question part)

It was like a weird form of Jeopardy

So when asked an actual question, without being provided the answer, that's a stumper for ALV.

 

[ynotdivein]

Gentle reminder to disagree with the post, not with the poster, please.

I've had to do some snipping for unnecessary roughness & high-sticking this morning, and would like us all to make it through the weekend without anyone ending up in the penalty box!

Thank you :seeya:

 

[sammie]

First page

To avoid removal, I'll ask my question again. Is it even possible that an acquittal could take place when she's confessed to killing him?

Absolutely it is, if they believe her self-defense story. Then it's considered a justifiable homicide.

 

[Hopeful One]

I think the fact that we are even here talking about juror 5 right now instead of the case is a clear enough indicator that it's a distraction.

:clap::clap::clap: and more claps...

 

[Hbgchick]

Hello all, I am new to the Arias threads but an old-timer on Websleuths. Also have been following the trial from the beginning.

I am sure these questions have been asked and answered somewhere, so I apologize if I am being redundant. There are so many threads though, and I’m unsure where to look to even begin to find them.

Several questions/comments regarding the current witness (ALV):
All she has done, in my opinion, is describe Jodi Arias as a batterer, not a victim. Her ENTIRE TESTIMONY is based on what Jodi herself told her, so that blows anything she says right out the window for me. I believe she is a credible witness and is basing her opinion on what Jodi told her but…just like the other psychologist, how can you form a diagnosis based on a whole big fake story?
I can acquiesce that Travis and Jodi may have had a mutually dysfunctional relationship, but Jodi clearly was no victim! Why would JM go into this whole Snow White thing (I actually thought maybe I had fallen asleep on the couch and was dreaming)? I understand his point is to parallel one ‘mythical fairy tale’ with another (Jodi’s) but why all the questions about the dwarves, etc.? As I mentioned, I believe ALV is a credible witness and I have no doubt she never intended to actually prove Snow White was battered; it was just, as she said, a catchy title. You’re doing a seminar, you want people to come and pay to see it, so you need to draw them in with something. Why is he focusing on the whole Snow White angle and not simply taking ALVs own words and applying them to Jodi?

Re/Juror #5:
Why would she come back to court!? She stated that ‘the trial is more important than my removal as a juror’ (or something to that effect), but then she makes a spectacle of herself by coming to court! I understand that it’s completely within her right to do so, but if she didn’t want to make it all about ‘her’ why not watch the trial on TV like the rest of us? To me, that was a very selfish act on her part (wanted to stay connected to the trial, I guess) and is risking yet another motion for mistrial.

Re/Jodi’s parents:
Why didn’t the prosecution call them to the stand and have them explain all of their statements in the police interviews? They both clearly think their own daughter was unstable in some way.

Again, sorry if all of this has been addressed before!

 

[dog.gone.cute]

She sure did. I know many here seem to love her, but IMO she is a hypocrite. :twocents:

Snipped and BBM: I totally agree ...

And JMO, I hope she is NOT writing a book ... it would be WRONG for her to try to capitalize off what happened to her -- whether she was right or wrong ...

This trial is about JUSTICE FOR TRAVIS -- NOT a removed juror !

:moo::moo::moo:

 

[Nosey Parker]

I don't understand Tricolour. She first put out a statement and then attended court the next day. She knew it would cause a ruckus and it did. The cameras were on her far too much. I wanted to know what else was happening in the court. If she is after the money, she will probably want to interview sooner than later. Once deliberations start, the media will be after the jurors who were alternates, and certainly after judgement day, the media will be after the 12.

If she is going to speak sooner than later, I hope she stays away from the court now. I understand why she attended one day as a message to the DT but assuming she does an interview, she is going to get more and more questions from the media each time she comes.

I wouldn't dream of trying to understand her thoughts either, but I do have to wonder if her presence was not an F U to the defence.

You can get me off the jury but not out of the courtroom?

I wouldn't be surprised if that is not her one and only presence, now that she has made her point.

(My possible theory only and not intended to start an aggressive debate)

 

[Sustained]

Strange coincidence?...Jodi's birthday is July 9th, so is OJ Simpsons and Amanda Knox.

OMG, so is my sister-in-law's..... filing for divorce Monday!

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[Stolat]

I think it was planned for her to say something like that by her and the defense and it all backfired. JW remarks about let me ask you now if you have memory problem and do have feeling for Miss Arias...How ridiculous on the tax payers dime.

That's funny you mentioned that because she strikes me as the type who *would*have feelings for Arias. Could easily see that. On her extended bio she mentions she counsels individuals on gender issues. And Arias is a chameleon and mimicked her "I can't answer a man when he's not speaking nicely" what a Crock of BS

Listen...I *choose* not to answer a man if he's speaking disrespectfully, but it has zero impact on my cognitive ability to understand or answer the question!!! What is fundamentally wrong with these two women that their brains short-wire so easily??

 

[Kamille]

Such a GREAT observation! Within 5 minutes, I saw the exact same defiant, snarky attitude with ALV on cross that I saw with JA.

I thought yesterday's testimony from ALV was scary, actually. Calling TA the perpetrator, approaching his sister during a break, sparring with JM rather than just answering "yes" or "no." It all demonstrated an arrogance and egoism I had only seen in JA up to this point. But, worse than that, was the passive aggressive "Are you mad at me, Mr. Martinez?" condescending calm laced with sarcasm that she attempted to sell on the stand. It didn't come across well.

She thinks she is smarter than him and, frankly, she came across as almost narcissistic to me. Anybody who gets up on that stand to tell THIS whale of a tale spun from texts and emails and journals and JA's pathologically lying lips must have some kind of ego, IMO.

Many TH's and some on here didn't appreciate JM's explosive approach. I did. Not only is it his style, it's the only way he can pin down these witnesses on key points. His JOB is to discredit them and their findings. Frankly, we can speculate all day, but I don't think anybody knows exactly WHERE JM is going with the Snow White line of questioning. I like that, mainly because I'm sure the DT doesn't.

One of the key points he made, I thought, was that ALV needed the journals and exhibits in front of her to make her "case." He had to press her to remember key phrases and subject matter. Essentially, he took away her crib notes. And she didn't fare as well. He didn't have to use his patented "Do you have a memory problem?" question. He demonstrated it. (I think JW will pay for that snarky remark in a BIG way.)

I understand that ALV first signed on as the mitigation specialist. She spent 44 hours with JA. I wonder what kind of "coaching" she did on how to "handle" JM.

Somebody should have TOLD her it didn't work out well for JA. I see the same fate for her. :twocents:

Apparently she teaches courses in "how to swim with sharks" in a courtroom. I have to assume she feels that she's got this cross under complete control since she teaches about how to be an expert witness. Not sure she's ever come across a JM in her years of "expertise" on this matter. It's going to get interesting for sure.

MOO