weekend break: discuss the latest here #124

[BeachGirlFromPA]

Are you saying sometimes things are just what they appear to be?

Sleuthers generally have trouble with that idea, but sometimes that's got to be true!

:cow:

It's like the old joke about suspicious people:

He: "Hi there!"
She: "WHAT do you mean by THAT????" :floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

 

[Karmady]

But remember, during this time period 80/10/10 liar loans (i.e., nothing out if pocket until the first mortgage payment was due) were anyone's for the asking.

yep, I confirmed that a while ago in the public records. He didn't buy the house in '08, but bought it when the market was even more crazy and those loans were very, very, common. Then he took a second right up to the increase in value during the boom. He took that pretty close to the top of the market before the crash began in earnest.

 

[Schuby]

The fact is, is that if ALV had the confidence in her findings that she claimed to have on direct, she could and would shut Juan down by returning to the evidence. She wouldn't be full of fear about "where he's going," she wouldn't need to prevaricate or dissemble. She has to do these things because she knows that at the foundation of her testimony is a giant pile of manure.

 

[gauntlet]

JM's witness will be so well prepared and well spoken that the DT won't be able to shake them. They may get frustrated like the ME did but it will be contained to their tone of voice and facial expression IMO.

Oh yes. JM will probably have been practicing crosses with her like this, from about 28.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItZ5_CwdSsw&feature=youtu.be

It still makes me laugh JM didn't move until the approach was officially called

 

[LambChop]

Here's a link to JA's journal entry "written" on May 22. Contains some info related to the missing cell phone and its recordings. I read my hubby the first few lines and he said "Oh, she went back and wrote that after the murder. I don't need to hear anymore."

I wasn't sure if this had been posted. I had not seen it. If this is not the proper place to post this link, please, mods, remove and forgive. Thanks!

http://images.bimedia.net/documents/Arias1.pdf

If Jodi never printed out the text message from her phone that she lost (and she claims it was lost forever) then how did she know there were 10 written pages of messages which is what we know today because they were retrieved.

She talks about not wanting to feel guilty about being the other person while Travis is trying to date but yet she shows up at his home on June 4th and engages in picture taking that could end up ruining any relationship he would have if they were viewed by another. Bad enough she showed up but why take part in picture taking if she were soooooooo concerned about feeling guilty. She, at this point, did not know about Mimi and Travis just being friends.....or did she?

I do not see how ALV did not see the jealousy seething in Jodi's writing in this journal. I also noticed that the writing seems different then her other journal entry back in January when he was suppose to have broken her finger. The slant is different so could she have written this part with her right hand after June 4th because her left hand was injured? jmo

 

[anagrammy]

Originally Posted by Mellinyce
Aww Anagrammy, I didn't mean for it to come out as I was making fun of people who have been abused. I found the little snippet of the vid they linked amusing is all. I DO NOT condone it, it was not meant to offend. I will refrain from commenting any longer. My sincere apologies.
****

No need - I wasn't getting down on you, just observing how things that were totally fine back in the 50's just aren't ok now. I may be oversensitive due to my own experiences and others may not agree.

It just make me uncomfortable.

 

[clarabloomer]

I doubt they would give her the original journal. She probably got copies, if she asked for it at all. Even if she did get it, they would surely have their own original copies for comparison?

I don't think anything in the journals points to self-defence -- just to JA the wonderful and those self-characterizations have been interpreted to show her as a victim of psychological abuse. Even when she says "nothing much happened" it has been twisted to present her as the victim. This is what makes the "experts" themselves guilty of misrepresentation IMO.

 

[Schuby]

Oh yes. JM will probably have been practicing crosses with her like this, from about 28.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItZ5_CwdSsw&feature=youtu.be

It still makes me laugh JM didn't move until the approach was officially called

Lol. Oh gosh watching that just makes me realize how LONG we've been at this trial!

 

[Novice Seeker]

I too was feeling sorry for the mother until I realized she cried exactly like Jodi..no tears..no kleenex.

Thank You!!! Some thought Sandy was showing emotions of devastation during her interview with Det. Flores. But, I didn't.

Imagine being hauled into the police department after just witnessing your child's arrest and being told that your child had been arrested for murdering someone. Then, you start having flashbacks of her behavior after the murder, things she said, things she did and not one time did you notice her behaving odd or strange.

And that's as upset as Sandy given what she had just discovered? If that had been me you would have thought I had just been told that my child was dead. It would have felt that way bc for many reasons my child had died. There wouldn't be any future in our lives with this child bc her remaining days would behind bars locked away.

Some will argue back that well they're still my child, I'm not going to turn my back on my child, doesn't mean that I'm going to stop loving my child.I'm not saying that I would do that either. Yes, there would be occasional visits to the prison BUT there wouldn't be the life experiences and memories with this child. And frankly, it would take a lot of prayer and time to get past the anger, bitterness and disgust I would have toward my child.

 

[shane13]

Someone famous now.

http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2...ed-juror-5-i-did-not-do-anything-wrong-video/

 

[kayice]

Wow, that link to Jodi's journal written on May 22nd, cough! Jodi's handwriting is sloppy compared to when she said Travis "broke" her finger. Hmm, wonder if she was playing catch up with a cut tendon and other cut up fingers, creating alibis. Or just writing fast in rage as she was planning murder. With her you tube uploading before the murder...right after Travis up-loaded one video http://www.youtube.com/user/prsnlpower?feature=watch I think she was planning all this out when Travis told her off, then created his blog post..."Why I Want to Marry a Gold Digger"....saying something about an axe murderer.
Jodi's bubble burst, she was never gonna be Travis' bride. So she savagely murdered him. It was premeditated. I think she borrowed the 2 gas cans because she didn't want to be caught buying them, she might have even bought the kerosene can (in her mind) so it wouldn't show up as a gas container. Jodi wanted to be make sure she did not have to stop for gas in AZ. Turning her cell off, she brought the gun and knife...she brought the knife to slash tires, didn't she? Arrested with new gun and knives.
She even told mom, she had the gas receipts to prove she was in Utah! That's why she filled the cans up in SLC for "cheap gas". Strange the Mother asked if she was AZ, even stranger the parents might have helped her get it together to leave/escape. Did they not think, with a gun--their daughter could have been taken down by the police? She's a murderer, for land's sake.

 

[thefragile7393]

Thank You!!! Some thought Sandy was showing emotions of devastation during her interview with Det. Flores. But, I didn't.

Imagine being hauled into the police department after just witnessing your child's arrest and being told that your child had been arrested for murdering someone. Then, you start having flashbacks of her behavior after the murder, things she said, things she did and not one time did you notice her behaving odd or strange.

And that's as upset as Sandy given what she had just discovered? If that had been me you would have thought I had just been told that my child was dead. It would have felt that way bc for many reasons my child had died. There wouldn't be any future in our lives with this child bc her remaining days would behind bars locked away.

Some will argue back that well they're still my child, I'm not going to turn my back on my child, doesn't mean that I'm going to stop loving my child.I'm not saying that I would do that either. Yes, there would be occasional visits to the prison BUT there wouldn't be the life experiences and memories with this child. And frankly, it would take a lot of prayer and time to get past the anger, bitterness and disgust I would have toward my child.

She likely ran out of tears long ago.

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[mollyf]

ALV has to clown it up in order to draw attention away from the facts. If she were to simply answer Juan's questions in a professional and respectful manner, think how absurd her testimony on direct would sound on cross. It really is absurd to say that Travis was not the victim, even using ALV's own charts, definitions and dumb anecdotes.

 

[StephanieHartPI]

That is why the "mule" theory makes sense to me and my conspiratorial mind. I think she muled some things for some people that may or may not have been mentioned during this trial. :what:

I totally agree, and she knows too much about Mexico and her little trips there, and where else? Other places like that she could drive to. This would point to smuggling back and forth and her town up there all the way down

she did an awful lot of driving and road trips, and that totally makes sense now.

I should emphasize a woman doing a certain job like that who looks like the all american gal can pass right through a check point.

Just like being a P.I. (and female) Men can be so obvious? black SUV, dark glasses, talking into their lapel?

I have no doubt in most cases I can be walking nearly shoulder to shoulder with my subject and they have no idea, they would never suspect in a million years what I am doing.

I'm sure she could travel pretty freely

 

[Pink Panther]

I work in the field as well. I believe ALV's testimony has done a disservice to the men who suffer at the hands of women like JA. I see a number of cases like this one, although most, but not all, of them come to me prior to murder. I believe the high rate of women victims stems from it being "publicly acceptable" for women to be victims of DV, but not for men. I screened an arrest warrant a few weeks ago where the male victim has suffered for decades from his ex-wife's stalking and terrorism. He was very ashamed to be a "victim," hence his decades-long suffering in silence. IMO, it is a tragedy that Travis never got the police involved.

Apparently he did try to report the tire slashing but no one showed up. I can't remember where I read that???

 

[mollyf]

The fact is, is that if ALV had the confidence in her findings that she claimed to have on direct, she could and would shut Juan down by returning to the evidence. She wouldn't be full of fear about "where he's going," she wouldn't need to prevaricate or dissemble. She has to do these things because she knows that at the foundation of her testimony is a giant pile of manure.

Just saw this. You said what I was thinking much better than I did—and faster.

 

[wasnt_me]

But this was a very small load, not a large one. There was only his t-shirt, shorts, underwear, socks and the camera. Just with that little amount of stuff she would have known the camera was in there. Besides, the machine would have also have been off balance because of the heavy lump of camera and few clothes that would make the drum wobble back and forth causing a banging noise. My washer is really finicky about unbalanced loads, so much so that I can't even DO a small load of wash like that without the drum banging, and most of the time the machine will stop the cycle and buzz to let you know you have to re-balance the load and then re-start the cycle.

When I was a kid the washer we had would just keep going with an unbalanced load banging away but it wouldn't stop the cycle, and if you didn't hang around to know it was banging away with an unbalanced load the washer would "walk" across the floor sometimes a couple of feet!

With that small load of wash with the camera in it there's just no way she wouldn't have known she put it in there even before starting the machine since she would have seen it, and the load would have been unbalanced because of the heavy lump of camera vs. the few clothing items that were also in there that either the camera would have been banging against the walls of the drum or the drum itself would have been banging against the inner sides of the machine or both.

She washed the camera in the machine on purpose. It would have had blood all over it plus her fingerprints, and she probably also wanted to make sure the memory card was destroyed. I would have thought that the memory card would have been destroyed as well, but miraculously they were able to extract the photos anyway.

I still disagree with your point about washing machines. Your washing machines might have been this way, but I have never in my life using any washer from my parents to my sisters to my own to laundry mats, ever had a problem with anything banging in the washer. The spinner in the middle doesn't go all the way around to allow for that in a down loading washer. It only spins at the end to wring out the water and again the speed it's going during the spin, doesn't allow items to move.

If the camera was snug in the sheets, it wouldn't be moving and banging. I have washed big nylon dog bones and rawhides ones because my huskies have them tangled in the sheets, balls, whatever--and I never hear them banging in the washer. In the dryer, yes. In the washer, no.

 

[scorpio24]

If Jodi never printed out the text message from her phone that she lost (and she claims it was lost forever) then how did she know there were 10 written pages of messages which is what we know today because they were retrieved.

She talks about not wanting to feel guilty about being the other person while Travis is trying to date but yet she shows up at his home on June 4th and engages in picture taking that could end up ruining any relationship he would have if they were viewed by another. Bad enough she showed up but why take part in picture taking if she were soooooooo concerned about feeling guilty. She, at this point, did not know about Mimi and Travis just being friends.....or did she?

I do not see how ALV did not see the jealousy seething in Jodi's writing in this journal. I also noticed that the writing seems different then her other journal entry back in January when he was suppose to have broken her finger. The slant is different so could she have written this part with her right hand after June 4th because her left hand was injured? jmo

BBM

GREAT catch! :great:

 

[Schuby]

Just saw this. You said what I was thinking much better than I did—and faster.

I really wonder if she knows she has taken up for a vicious murderer and just doesn't care or if she is so mired in her own paradigm of feminine victimization that her mind just can't go there.

 

[Zuri]

I may be in the minority here when it comes to Mama Arias.

First, let me preface by saying, I do not like the laughing, giggling, etc we see her doing in court. I don't like her trying to see stuff to the Enquirer. But part of me wants to believe she is doing that because now everyone knows how off Jodi is and part of her is happy, maybe not he right word, that Jodi is going to finally pay for what she did and all the pain she caused her parents.

I asked my Mom if she would support me if I had done this. She told me, first there would be no trial because I would take you out myself. Gotta love Mom But she also said, as a parent, no matter how horrific the situation, that is your child. Whether her support is for Jodi or for to see justice is served for what she did to Travis, who knows.

I just don't think any of us could honestly say what we would do in her situation. I don't see any shady behavior on Mama's part in the interrogation tapes. I think her feelings were honest. Many are asking why nobody got Jodi help. If Jodi got wind of anybody trying to control her and get her help, she would have bailed. Since she left home at 18 and she didn't play by the rules, I really cannot blame her parents. She is a grown adult.

Jodi is an evil, cold blooded killer and deserves, in my opinion, the DP for what she did. She alone carried out the murder. The only person who should be put on trial or blamed for anything is Jodi herself.

Just trying to maybe see Mama Arias' side of everything.

P.S. my opinion did go down when I found out Dr Phil has been footing the bill for Mama and Auntie

My son has had addiction issues. Heartbreaking. We have sent him to rehab 3 times. He is currently in a sober living house far from here. And sober. Trying to get him 30 days of treatment paid for by our health insurance was impossible even though our plan would cover it. I pleaded, begged, sobbed and cajoled with BCBS for more time and all we got was 11 days. The inpatient rehab was $600/day out of pocket. He got the help and has been drug free for 132 days.

The killer that murdered my brother did so to rob him to pay back a drug debt to his dealer. Therein lies the rub. I have no patience with illegal drugs, yet my son became an addict. I did and would do anything to save him from himself. I stopped at nothing to get him the help he needed/needs.

This is the part I don't understand. How could any mother let their 16 year old daughter leave their home knowing there were issues that had not been dealt with? Fatigue, fed up, didn't care what? As a mother, we don't get days off. We don't get to be selective. Being a parent is hard and trying and frustrating at times. I hold Sandy Arias accountable to a degree, regardless of education, wealth, sophistication or intelligence. If she had taken steps to get her daughter help, and not stopped with her refusal, maybe Travis would be alive.

Respectfully, JMV