weekend break: discuss the latest here #124

[ClosArgs]

I think he was shot in the head when he was in the shower. I have no doubt that he lunged at her when she pulled gun on him. He probably managed to turn her hands enough to deflect the bullet a little, so it went through the side of his head instead of his forehead. I think he caught himself on the sink (thus the blood) and then fell to the floor - as Jodi described. I suspect that he was crawling down the hallway, towards, the stairs, hoping to at least roll down the stairs and go for help. I think that Jodi was stabbing him in the back the entire time until she got him at the top of the stairs (bedroom entrance), where she slit his throat and then dragged him down the hallway, back into the shower. Then she tried to flood the place to hide the evidence. I think that the camera was on the bed and she had deleted the photos, but she put the sheets in the washing machine and accidentally put the camera in too.

She has told a big, ugly story, one as elaborate as that of Casey Anthony with her mother (about her job as a Disney promotion girl).

Imo, it is as the ME said, no way did he make it all the way out of the bathroom and down the hall with a bullet through his frontal lobe. Voluntary muscle movement is a major function of that region of the brain.

Besides I think JA had a knife affinity. She wanted an up close and personal experience with this murder. Imo, the gun was an after thought and selected merely to perpetuate a two assailant theory for LE. Just my thoughts as we'll never know.

 

[otto]

Not sure when she came on the case but she has had months if not years to prepare for taking on JM. I am sure she knows how RS was desimated and she has made it her goal that the same won't happen to her. She doesn't see JM as an officer of the court but a man and she is going to show all her cronies how you handle someone like JM. This is going to get a lot uglier before it gets better and I for one will be hanging on and watching the fireworks.

JM whirled around Thursday when the outburst of laughter occurred and you can be sure he knows exactly who it was. I am sure he talked to the judge about it and I won't be surprised if those people are not in court on Monday. He also was going to talk to the judge about AL's approaching TA's sister Sam. The whole court room maybe empty of spectators on Monday. jmo

Thanks

Still, responding to the prosecutor as though he is being abusive in asking relevant questions, that's not a good sign. She's prepared to answer questions about her "abused women characteristics" theory, but she has already admitted that she has modified the criteria to suit her changing theory ... a theory where it may be possible to qualify Snow White as an abused child and a whopper liar, like Arias ... both poor, abused women that cooked, cleaned and worked for a man. She wanted that man to be her prince, and then she met Travis. We don't know what happened to the Prince ... maybe he was murdered by Snow White. Snow White claims that she was in a coma (maybe that's like a fog) and when she woke up, everything was different.

She was as shocked as everyone else ... until the confession.

 

[Truth Detector]

Does anyone find more than a little inconsistency in JA deciding VERY early on (read immediately) after converting to LDS that Darryl Brewer doesn't get any more action, but that TA should get it 'coming and going'?

 

[Mellinyce]

Remember, the ME couldn't be certain of the hemorrhaging because of the decomposition, so it is possible that the gunshot could have been pre-mortem.

:cow:

IIRC the ME couldn't be sure of the track of the bullet but he did say that there is a lack of hemorrhaging in the wound which led him to believe that the gun shot could possibly have been after the chest and/or neck wound. He said it could have been last but he would not say for sure. There was lack of hemorrhaging in that head wound... is what he stated.

 

[otto]

Imo, it is as the ME said, no way did he make it all the way out of the bathroom and down the hall with a bullet through his frontal lobe. Voluntary muscle movement is a major function of that region of the brain.

Besides I think JA had a knife affinity. She wanted an up close and personal experience with this murder. Imo, the gun was an after thought and selected merely to perpetuate a two assailant theory for LE. Just my thoughts as we'll never know.

Was he stabbed in the area of his heart from the front or the back?

 

[Rosemary Pierce]

Someone late last night asked what happened during the time that Travis was crawling down the hall in an effort to escape the attack. I think JA was stabbing him in the back telling him that he is being punished for rejecting her. I would like to bring that question forward in this thread and would like to know what y'all think may have been going on when Travis was trying to escape her and maybe begging for help.

I believe that first stab (in the shower) is the one that nicked his heart...he made it to the sink and started coughing up blood (bending over) this is when she starts the stabbing him in the back. I am not sure if the stabbing in the back continued down the hall (most likely it did).

That being said I do agree with Dr. Horn's testimony :twocents:

 

[Truth Detector]

I am guessing we will see Chris or Sky in JM's rebuttal?

Perhaps, but I still want to know how you cross examine a witness who has not been subject to direct exam...

:waitasec: Twilight Zone? :waitasec:

 

[Mellinyce]

Was he stabbed in the area of his heart from the front or the back?

Front thru his vena cava (sp)

 

[ILikeToBendPages]

and this one

http://www.google.com/imgres?hl=en&...tbnh=180&tbnw=225&start=0&ndsp=8&tx=176&ty=87

 

[AuburnSchnauzer]

IIRC the ME couldn't be sure of the track of the bullet but he did say that there is a lack of hemorrhaging in the wound which led him to believe that the gun shot could possibly have been after the chest and/or neck wound. He said it could have been last but he would not say for sure. There was lack of hemorrhaging in that head wound... is what he stated.

A lack of hemorrhaging from the gunshot wound tells me that the hemorrhaging came from KNIFE WOUNDS. JA knew how to use a knife with her mentor and the person she moved in with when she was a soph or junior in H.S. "Bobby Juarez".....He did teach her the ropes. IMO

 

[norest4thewicked]

Does anyone know when this was taken? During the "honeymoon" stage? Also came across Jodi doing the double bird. Jodi wanted it to mean the finger.



http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl...&iact=rc&dur=2053&page=1&ndsp=7&tx=131&ty=138


and this one


.http://www.google.com/imgres?start=...page=29&tbnh=174&tbnw=157&ndsp=17&tx=95&ty=46


and

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl...62&iact=rc&dur=653&page=1&ndsp=3&tx=142&ty=65

The double bird is when you lift the middle finger of both of your hands. Jodi is giving a peace sign in the first photo.

 

[clarabloomer]

Imo, it is as the ME said, no way did he make it all the way out of the bathroom and down the hall with a bullet through his frontal lobe. Voluntary muscle movement is a major function of that region of the brain.

Besides I think JA had a knife affinity. She wanted an up close and personal experience with this murder. Imo, the gun was an after thought and selected merely to perpetuate a two assailant theory for LE. Just my thoughts as we'll never know.

This still causes me to believe the bullet first theory has value ---

Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2011-01-bullet-...shot-host.html


"Make no mistake: Bullets usually kill when they enter the brain. The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimates that in 90 percent of brain injuries that stem from firearms, the patient dies. Of the lucky 1 in 10, virtually all are thought to live with persistent disabilities. In the last 15 years, however, better treatments have greatly improved the odds of survival. "In Iraq, we were fooled many times," said Duke University neurosurgeon Gerald Grant, who was an Air Force physician at Joint Base Balad in that country. Patients whose scans showed that shrapnel had crossed between the brain's hemispheres or cut a wide swath of destruction - injuries long thought to be a swift sentence of death - would often live. But the result, as Giffords may yet show, is almost always a person profoundly changed by the injury. As many as half of those who have had penetrating brain injury will suffer epileptic seizures and will have a higher risk of them for the rest of their lives, experts say.
Because these injuries often leave a victim fully conscious during and immediately after, many will retain vivid memories of the horror and suffer flashbacks, nightmares, anxiety and withdrawal, the hallmarks of post-traumatic stress disorder. "

Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2011-01-bullet-...shot-host.html

 

[Rosemary Pierce]

Was he stabbed in the area of his heart from the front or the back?

Front, from what it looked like in the autopsy picture.

 

[TXHoney]

I am guessing we will see Chris or Sky in JM's rebuttal?

Neither are on the current rebuttal witness list, I believe.

 

[Thurston]

Elley Mae was kind and posted these links to Travis Alexander Shower Pictures. The links are:

http://s922.photobucket.com/user/Sou...large.jpg.html

http://s1309.photobucket.com/user/wa...64932.jpg.html

Would someone please instruct me on how I can view these images in full screen? The links send me to pictures, however, the images are so small (and, I cannot really see them).

One of the images is a "flow chart" made of the Travis Alexander Shower Pictures - the images are put in order.

The "Flow Chart" of the Travis Alexander Shower Pictures is something that I would appreciate seeing.

A big thanks to anyone that can me view these images in full screen - again, the photobucket images are very small on my computer (perhaps the size of a quarter).

I do greatly appreciate the person that takes their time to help me - I realize that almost everyone on this board is busy. To take your time to help me is a kind gesture - that I recognize as being thoughtful.

 

[AuburnSchnauzer]

I believe that first stab (in the shower) is the one that nicked his heart...he made it to the sink and started coughing up blood (bending over) this is when she starts the stabbing him in the back. I am not sure if the stabbing in the back continued down the hall (most likely it did).

That being said I do agree with Dr. Horn's testimony :twocents:

I didn't see all the testimony, but I agree with you. It weakened him but he was able to make it to the sink and this is why we see all the exasperated blood spatter...

 

[Zuri]

Was he stabbed in the area of his heart from the front or the back?

Front. The knife pierced the superior vena cava and the pericardium. Also nicked the lung.

 

[ricky_ticky]

This one is great too!

Jodi Arias Trial, FAQ for Dummies and trial update - YouTube

Except the part where he's pretending to have some kind of Asian accent - ? Is that right? He's aping Charlie Chan?

 

[Whisperer]

This is the only one I could find:
Jodi Arias Murder Trial day 10. Part 3 - YouTube

TigerBalm would probably know.

I have not seen this tape before. Chris Hughes testimony sounded like it was recorded, then Gus S. is on the stand and refuses, even when ordered to not release the name of the person who was in the car with him when he was talking to Chris H.

WTH is going on? He said he will not tell them. Judge ordered him to tell. He refused. judge calls recess to get him to talk. I am shocked. Who could be that important that he defies a judge's order to talk?

 

[AuburnSchnauzer]

Neither are on the current rebuttal witness list, I believe.

I don't think we will find out who is on the State's rebut list till after JM is done with the current witness ALV, right?