weekend break: discuss the latest here #124

[Mellinyce]

The bullet casing was sitting on top of a pool of blood and the upper portion of it was clean. How would that be possible if TA was shot first?

Congealed blood no less. Just sayin..

 

[Amster]

Why I have no sympathy for Sandy Arias et al = From the cued point for 20 seconds it's party in the courtroom time for Sandy:

http://youtu.be/z4bTzT-c0DI?t=46m7s

Just watching this! As Gus S. is called to the stand, she sneaks a pill!!

 

[thefragile7393]

Well if she is naiive and slow and gullible.....sounds like someone that needs some empathy.

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Nope. She isn't getting any from me. She should have gotten crazy some mental help before she murdered Travis. She said herself she had mental problems but they never did anything about it. She had a responsibility as a pArent to do something. She didn't get crazy overnight. JA has been that way for years according to her own family.

Walk in those shoes with an angry defiant violent sociopathic child and then get back to me. It is NOT always as simple as seems.

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[Truth Detector]

I was thinking the exact same thing. We need a : pigsflying:icon.

ETA: Flying_pig_e0.gif‎


http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/File:Flying_pig_e0.gif

Love it.

Back atchya:

 

[shane13]

Anyone know?
Was any of ALV's testimony not in favor of defense?

If it was 100%, that is troubling as that is so unlikely after being asked so many Qs about so many things.

An honest witness with so much testimony is not very likely to have 100% answers in favor of one side. JMOOC.

 

[Weebles]

Some discussion on whether ALV cancelled or was asked not to do the speech this weekend and the fact that she was exhausted. What I find interesting is that she is speaking according to her website on April 26 and 27th at COLLABORATIVE PRACTICE CALIFORNIA - Manhattan Beach, CA, and her book is coming out for the third time on April 23.

According to the following article she has also starting a speaking tour this month

"Along with pushing the book back onto shelves, LaViolette is embarking on a speaking tour this month with dates booked all around California – with her obligations conveniently booked on Fridays and weekends when the Maricopa County Court is not in session."

http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2013/04/jodi-arias-domestic-violence-expert-accused-of-cashing-in/

I really believe she accepted the case to further her own agenda and the free exposure she would be getting not expecting that it was going to be negative. If she is exhausted now wonder how many sick days she will have from her busy schedule that is about to start?

 

[Truth Detector]

Just watching this! As Gus S. is called to the stand, she sneaks a pill!!

Yeah, love when Mr. Court Reporter hears Gus tell JM his question is irrelevant and then gets all red and rubs his forehead.

Not his first rodeo.

He knows what's coming...

 

[Juli]

I think the combination of the state of decomposition coupled with the fact that his body was washed off under the shower leaves room for some doubt on this finding.

All the other physical evidence (and common sense) points towards the gunshot being first. I tend to think the gun was used first and it jammed, and having survived that shot, Jodi had to go to another weapon - the knife.

A .25 doesn't have the 'knock out' power of larger calibers due to the lack of hydrostatic shock from the small and relatively slow moving bullet.

The shell casing was found in the area it would be if fired into the shower(they eject back and to the right) The angle of the bullet track through his sinus cavity downward from right to left is consistent with him sitting in the shower as he was in the last photos taken.

The fact that these small handguns are notorious for jamming when fired by inexperienced shooters (they tend to limp wrist it, preventing the next cartridge to cycle into the firing chamber) also coincides with a shooting first hypothesis.

I think the state should argue it's first degree murder regardless of the sequence of wounds. Because it is. Obviously.

Travis was stabbed, shot, and had his throat slit. It was a violent struggle and he obviously suffered greatly before he died.

it is an interesting intellectual puzzle to think of how it all transpired but I don't feel it is important to finding guilt.

Addressing bolded parts....

JA's grandfather reported that his .25 caliber had jacketed hollow-point ammunition loaded in it. Didn't know if you were aware of that.

This is a popular type of bullet that can be used in rifles and handguns. The principle behind JHP ammo is that the bullets, having a soft lead tip and a hollow nose, will enter the body of the target and slow down once inside, expanding and creating a greater wound cavity. Thus, it has a greater stopping power, meaning it is able to disable a target with fewer hits (provided he is not heavily armored) than standard Full Metal Jacket (FMJ) bullets (though FMJ is better for armored targets). JHP bullets usually do not exit a target's body after impact (and do not create exit wounds).

http://everything2.com/title/Jacketed+hollow+point+ammunition

Being shot in the head with JHP ammo can definitely bring a person down and kill them. A JHP bullet passing through the frontal lobe, which is responsible for motor function, leads me to believe that if Travis was shot first, he would not have been able to attempt escape down the hallway let alone fend off a vicious knife attack, evidenced by defensive wounds found on his body.

I brought this over from another thread I was posting on: Not all guns eject casings to the side. I’ve seen them go forward, and I’ve shot a Colt .45 that ejects nearly straight up. There’s no way to predict which way a shell is ejected without having the actual weapon in hand. To the side, straight up, or ricocheted back; there’s no way for someone to know the distance a discharged case traveled. A Colt .45 can eject straight up, a Ruger .45 can eject to the side; even with the same caliber, it’s not reasonable to assume how a shell was ejected from a gun.

Also, we don't know what position Travis was in when JA shot him. Some have speculated that she used one of the pillows from the bedroom as a silencer and that would explain the pillow fringes mixed with blood. It would also explain why no stippling was visible.

Just wanted to share my take on it. I totally agree with all that you said about first degree murder. Regardless of whether one believes the gun first or knife first, it doesn't negate (in any way, shape, or form) a premeditated crime and nothing short of first degree murder is acceptable, imo.

 

[Allyne Smithe]

She exults in her perceived triumph.

She believes that he now belongs exclusively to her, forever.

Is this the same friend that was getting a divorce and asked to live with Travis, but he said it wouldn't look good to have her staying there? (assuming because she's married and he's single.)

No, that was another woman who phoned in an anonymous tip telling them to look into her soon-to-be-ex-husband. Let me find you her name...

Ashley Thompson, page 12 of Detective Flores' report. Someone here said she later 'committed suicide" under suspicious circumstances.

 

[gngr~snap]

Anyone know?
Was any of ALV's testimony not in favor of defense?

If it was 100%, that is troubling as that is so unlikely after being asked so many Qs about so many things.

An honest witness with so much testimony is not very likely to have 100% answers in favor of one side. JMOOC.

It was to me... I'd even say 110% if that was possible.

At LEAST RS said that PTSD is not a "get out of jail free card"...
Which told me... he knew she was guilty and just earning his pay...

not saying it is right... BUT to my knowledge ALV has not even hinted towards
JA needing to stay behind bar...

 

[Mellinyce]

Anyone know?
Was any of ALV's testimony not in favor of defense?

If it was 100%, that is troubling as that is so unlikely after being asked so many Qs about so many things.

An honest witness with so much testimony is not very likely to have 100% answers in favor of one side. JMOOC.

I'm still reeling from her statement that Travis was the perpetrator...:furious::furious::furious:

 

[katiedid2]

It is beautiful. I signed the guest book on it. =)

Me too! Brought tears to my eyes

 

[MeeBee]

Anyone know?
Was any of ALV's testimony not in favor of defense?

If it was 100%, that is troubling as that is so unlikely after being asked so many Qs about so many things.

An honest witness with so much testimony is not very likely to have 100% answers in favor of one side. JMOOC.

Yes, exactly. According to ALV, Jodi was perfect and never did anything wrong and never did anything to make Travis mad. She was never at fault for anything in her life. She was never jealous even though the man she supposedly loved so much was seeing other women and taking another to Cancun. Jealousy is not always such a negative reaction. Jealousy is a natural feeling to have in light of those circumstances. I've even felt pangs of jealousy upon hearing of exes who've gotten married even though I have no feelings for them anymore and am happily marries myself. That the defense contends Jodi was so perfect that she felt not one shred of jealousy over Travis is very suspect. NO ONE is that perfect.

 

[katydid23]

Anyone know?
Was any of ALV's testimony not in favor of defense?

If it was 100%, that is troubling as that is so unlikely after being asked so many Qs about so many things.

An honest witness with so much testimony is not very likely to have 100% answers in favor of one side. JMOOC.

If she wanted to appear objective, imo, she should have said they were BOTH victims. When she said that Jodi was the victim, AND NOT TRAVIS-- ---that was so obviously WRONG.

The same when she said there was NO JEALOUSY AT ALL on Jodi's part. She should have said, ' yes, a little, but nothing problematic.' That would have been more believable.

But by her testimony, Jodi had no flaws. She was not at all jealous, was never mean or unkind, and the ONLY reason that her abusive boyfriend sent her a horrible 16 page tirade, was because she accidentally left a signed picture behind at his home. :liar:

Oh, and when he tried to choke her out and kill her, the reason she didn't fight back was because she didn't want to hurt him. And the reason she never told anyone was because she wanted to protect his reputation, even for years after his death. Yea, Right.

 

[JustMeDeb]

Det. Flores report. They had put surveillance on her fearing that she may try to run. Over the 24 hours Jodi was being watched at her grandparents house LE saw Sandy deliver the vehicle and packing items in the car.

Another tape I hope we get to see.

 

[JustMeDeb]

Just watching this! As Gus S. is called to the stand, she sneaks a pill!!

Heck if it was me and I had to sit and listen to what my daughter had done, the lies that came out of her mouth as well as telling me how I was a bad abusive mother, I would be chugging pills down with a bottle of Jack

 

[shane13]

If she wanted to appear objective, imo, she should have said they were BOTH victims. When she said that Jodi was the victim, AND NOT TRAVIS-- ---that was so obviously WRONG.

The same when she said there was NO JEALOUSY AT ALL on Jodi's part. She should have said, ' yes, a little, but nothing problematic.' That would have been more believable.

But by her testimony, Jodi had no flaws. She was not at all jealous, was never mean or unkind, and the ONLY reason that her abusive boyfriend sent her a horrible 16 page tirade, was because she accidentally left a signed picture behind at his home. :liar:

Oh, and when he tried to choke her out and kill her, the reason she didn't fight back was because she didn't want to hurt him. And the reason she never told anyone was because she wanted to protect his reputation, even for years after his death. Yea, Right.

BBM: Overkill. ALV should have been told this was not about getting sainthood for JA! A butchering murderess.

 

[kaRN]

I didn't watch "The Dr. Phil - Anthony Show"....and I'll certainly not watch any DR. PHIL...Jodi Arias Show, either.
People, Viewers can shut Dr. Phil down by: NOT WATCHING his crap!!! MOO

And hows that working for you????? lol
I don't watch Dr Phil period. Much like watching the Dr.Samuels or ALV show if such things existed.

 

[Truth Detector]

Re-watching Gus Sear-cus...

Judge Stephens quietly orders him to write the name of the person in the car with him, saying she'll seal it and it will not become public.

The judge tells him that she assumes he can retain his own counsel.

Still refusing, Gus, LegalShield muckety-muck, looks at his watch and discloses that he has no lawyer available at this particular moment.

Next, he proceeds to attempt to solicit free legal advice from Judge Stephens.

Hilarious!

 

[kaRN]

If she wanted to appear objective, imo, she should have said they were BOTH victims. When she said that Jodi was the victim, AND NOT TRAVIS-- ---that was so obviously WRONG.

The same when she said there was NO JEALOUSY AT ALL on Jodi's part. She should have said, ' yes, a little, but nothing problematic.' That would have been more believable.

But by her testimony, Jodi had no flaws. She was not at all jealous, was never mean or unkind, and the ONLY reason that her abusive boyfriend sent her a horrible 16 page tirade, was because she accidentally left a signed picture behind at his home. :liar:

Oh, and when he tried to choke her out and kill her, the reason she didn't fight back was because she didn't want to hurt him. And the reason she never told anyone was because she wanted to protect his reputation, even for years after his death. Yea, Right.

Don't forget all the empathy JA showed him. :what: