weekend break: discuss the latest here #124

[VALee]

I wonder what she planned to do with the gun and knives in the rental car when she was going to take off the day she was arrested? She rented the car that morning. She hinted to her parents she was going to Monterey for 3 days. Was she planning to kill MM, DB or herself? Was she envisioning a suicide by cop scenario? Or a shoot out and get away from the cops scene?

It is disturbing that she would plan to flee and take knives and a gun with her, especially if she was planning to head to Monterey. What were her plans!!?

One thing JA said in her interrogation videos was that the knives she had in the rental car belonged to Darryl and she was going to take them to him. Sorry, of the 18 I don't know which one it is in.

 

[Mellinyce]

A great Memorial Site for Travis. This is who we are all fighting for! Please don't forget and keep the family in your thoughts this weekend and always!

http://www.travisalexanderjustice.com/memorial

I signed the guestbook as well. Thank you very much for that link. Its a beautiful memorial site and a wonderful song playing in the background, imo.

 

[borndem]

I agree. I'm not saying this in any way to make fun of his size but he doesn't look comfortable in those chairs. I think that's why he leans back and slouches a lot. It's not out of disrespect for the court, it's just that it's uncomfortable for him to sit up straight in those chairs.

He is a BIG man -- not just a bit heavy for his frame, but he is football linebacker big. It's quite a sight to see Nurmi & our Juan the Man stand beside each other at "approaches." Biiiiiiiiiig difference!

 

[TXHoney]

Here is a link to a story of a man who was stalked just like Travis .
This is a good read for anyone as it shows just how nuts a women can be and things she did to this man while in a realationship with him for several months.
I think if you read this you will see that this is Jodi in a nutshell.
This man compares what happend to Travis and to his own stalker.

http://🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬.blogspot.com/...murdering.html

If you have time read the comments as well.

Wow. Just wow.

 

[Elley Mae]

I personally could never take AL seriously about DV. Now if the DT has a list of DV experts that would not testify in JA's defense maybe they have some credibility.

 

[JustJudy]

Thanks for those. I found ALV is be engaging, unoffensive, and very likable. I didn't hear anything I disagreed with apart from her claim the Disney Snow White's dad was "emotionally impotent" and failed "to protect his children", because in the Disney version the king had died within the first 5 minutes and never uttered a word, so there's no knowing what he did or didn't do.

Hi Deb, I'm going to jump off from your thoughtful post:
Yes, ALV wisely refused to make any DV judgements on the dead king, snow white, or any character in the fairytale; how could she? King dead, can't talk, not a true story anyway; we all know it's a fairytale...no need to vet SnowWhite.

In fact, what professional would knowingly present a DV evaluative report based solely on a fairytale...words not reflective of reality; i.e., Snow White. And to her credit, that is pretty much what she told Juan. Good for her

Makes it all the more puzzling, then, as to why ALV felt comfortable concluding to the court, that Travis (dead by the way...can't talk...bloody mess) was the perpetrator against Jodi....a conclusion, btw, she reached only through taking as truth, the unvetted offerings of a liar. JMHO

 

[SunnyinMO]

I wonder what she planned to do with the gun and knives in the rental car when she was going to take off the day she was arrested? She rented the car that morning. She hinted to her parents she was going to Monterey for 3 days. Was she planning to kill MM, DB or herself? Was she envisioning a suicide by cop scenario? Or a shoot out and get away from the cops scene?

It is disturbing that she would plan to flee and take knives and a gun with her, especially if she was planning to head to Monterey. What were her plans!!?

I don't know what was in her mind obviously, but I can say she was not going to kill herself. But I do think she was after someone.

 

[Sleuth5]

In Steely Dan's two video clips above of ALV beginning her Snow White schtick she's very relaxed and funny in a low-key way. She appears to be speaking at eye-level to a very small group (not shown) in a small meeting room. Thank goodness that likable Alyce stayed home and sent smug, condescending ALV to Phoenix in her place.

Good point. I'd have to say, however, that I for one would have been very happy to see likable ALV. If she had decided to be a solid DV expert and testified as such, straightforward and no waffling with either side, it would have been fine by me to have honest differences of opinion between experts. Of course, had that been her approach, I'm not entirely convinced she would have come to the conclusions she had, and I'm not sure she would have agreed to testify for the defense, either.

:cow:

 

[Mellinyce]

The mitigating specialist has been reported as watching the jury very closely. She is probably the closest they have to a jury consultant. I don't think the defense themselves wrote the letter, but would not be surprised if they or Jodi did put a hint to one of her supporters to do it.

The J5 letter wasn't a letter it was a message left on the answering machine and then typed to form a hard copy of it. Just thought I'd add that =D

 

[gypsyblue]

And, what? You disagree with her? How?

You think it's easy to get a woman out of a DV relationship?

You think it can be done quickly and easily by the right professional, someone like you?

You think that men are not the batterers in the majority of DV relationships? How many men are killed each year by their female domestic partner versus women?

What ratio of abused men to abused women do you see in your practice? How does that compare to the norm?

Not a professional here but....

I don't believe anyone is arguing that woman are not ever abused... This is just simply not the case here. You do not drive 1000 miles to get abused you do it because you've allowed yourself to be USED. Big difference imo.

Do u believe that men are never the victim of abuse???

MEN can be the abused too!

As a matter of fact, if I think of relationships of people I know, I can honestly say 99% of the men are the abused and the women are the controlling domineering partner...

Travis was the victim in THIS relationship.

JA was a willing then rejected girlfriend.

It is not okay to butcher someone because they do not want to be with you anymore.

Jmooc

 

[Mellinyce]

Doesn't that come from here: (And when he points his right arm off to the right, I think he is saying "to the Moon Alice."

The Honeymooners - POW! - YouTube

HAHA! "BANG! ZOOM!" hehe!

 

[Wake_me]

What ratio of abused men to abused women do you see in your practice? How does that compare to the norm?

You think that men are not the batterers in the majority of DV relationships? How many men are killed each year by their female domestic partner versus women?

Domestic violence against men is more common than what may be perceived. Similar to women, there is a large under-reporting of domestic violence against men as evidenced when comparing police reports relative to what was reported in a Stats Canada survey. For men, there is a strong stigma socially, which isn't to say women don't face their own obstacles in such issues.

It does seem that more fatal cases of domestic abuse come at the hands of men unto women. I know this site is primarily populated by women, so I don't say anything with intentions to offend. However, I think men may be more prone to extreme forms of violence, and women more prone to extreme forms of 'psychological warfare', or manipulation as a means to 'attack' an enemy. Most likely as a result of men being physically stronger and women being stronger socially/with language, generally speaking. IMO



http://www.fims.uwo.ca/olr/apr809/Higgins feature.html

"A 2008 Statistics Canada study revealed that in 2006, men accounted for 17 per cent of victims in cases of spousal violence reported to the police – that translates to 158,656 men. Spousal violence refers to physical assaults, threats or criminal harassment involving common-law or married couples.

However, a 2005 Statistics Canada study reported that seven per cent of women and six per cent of men involved in a relationship over a five-year period had experienced violence at the hands of a common-law partner. That adds up to more than half a million men. This study was based not on police data but on information from Statistics Canada’s General Social Survey."

 

[Smelly Squirrel]

Do we have any proof that her Mom definitely helped her rent that car? I transcribed the parent interviews and the only time her mom comes across as sounding less certain and using more um ums and stalling is when she is talking about not knowing about JA's plans for the next day. Unfortunately I don't believe she told Det Fl everything she knew about that.

I think the mom knew more. The day before they arrested her, Jodi and mom were sitting in a car for a long time talking.

 

[SassyMom]

BBM. There's no question in my mind that she exhibits all the symptoms of stalking behavior, but I recoil reflexively at any suggestion of a "close relationship" (I know that's not your terminology, but the author's) between these two. The defense foundation rests on some battered/abused nonsense predicated on a "relationship" which never existed other than in the deranged imagination of the defendant.

No matter how many times I hear them repeat the terms of this so-called "relationship" I always come to the same conclusion -- casual sex, sexting, pic exchanges, convenience -- it just doesn't add up to anything remotely approximating an actual romantic relationship. JA constructed that out of whole cloth and served it up via her "journals," which are nothing more than pure fantasy masquerading as an "alibi" for her vicious slaughter of Travis Alexander.

This is just one hot button for me right now. I, like many of you, have had it up to here with all this "relationship" talk. These two had nothing more than a casual fling spread over a five month period. I do imagine that at some point in the beginning Travis might have actually had romantic feelings for JA, but those evaporated quickly when her stalking behaviors escalated (reading his emails, texts, breaking into FB, etc.) He was a human being, starting to hear footsteps regarding his age and marriage, probably felt more than a little inadequate regarding sex given his lack of a partner, and she stepped right in to take care of that deficit and intended to fill the spousal role as well.

Let's not forget -- he made it clear to her where their "relationship" stood early on. She stalked and killed him for it, and not because he strung her along with "I love you's," or anything of the sort. Yet now, that is precisely what she's trying to hang her at on as an excuse. I think if I hear one more retelling of the Virgin Jodi's shameful treatment at the hands of boorish old TA I am going to absolutely explode. Puhhhhhhleeeeeeeze. She all but carried a kit wit her everywhere she went in preparation for being "spun around," as she liked to put it (for entirely unconsensual and largely unpleasant sexual acts.) I can take no more. :furious::furious::furious:

Okay, end of rant. :seeya:

I totally agree Sleuth5. I haven't watched the trial from day 1, I think I started watching since Day 2 of JM's cross of JA, but from the moment I started hearing words out of her mouth I found that her statements didn't make sense to me from what I knew about the case. They only dated for a few months, less than a half year. The entire time they were dating she lived in another state. AFTER they broke up, she moved to Mesa. While she lived in Mesa Travis was actively dating and pursuing other women. Bottom line, they really did NOT spend a lot of time together. And after she'd moved to Mesa, the time she did spend around him she was uninvited and unwanted.

And yet she spoke about him like she had taken part in a very intimate, very close relationship. There was a lot of "Travis always said....." "Travis loved to....." "Travis knew I hated......" "He really cared that I...." She regaled the court with all kinds of inane stories that tried to communicate a closeness and importance that, to me, really existed only in her mind. I just didn't buy it. Add in all the other stuff and I remember thinking, "Girl, snap out of it! You were a BOOTY CALL, and nothing more!" She even admitted that in her journal in one entry.

But the fact that she has invented all this superfluous storyline outside of the sex indicates to me that to make herself feel better about being just a booty call, she invented a 'relationship'. His choice to encourage her to continue as a booty call sent the wrong message to her, and we all know how that ultimately played out.

I relate to her desire to want a booty call to be more than a booty call as in my tender youth I made some bad choices. I did some level one stalking at that time, unable to accept that getting sexual with a guy would not lead to a relationship. I did some creative imagining in my own head about a relationship ONLY to prevent myself from realizing, "No, it was just sex and that is all." Luckily for them, I was just stupid and not psycho.

But from the beginning I've felt that her re-telling and description of their 'relationship' did not ring true at all! And no amount of photographs were going to change the reality that she was a booty call, plain and simple.

 

[BrownRice]

I think Juan is a pretty short guy,rob ably 5'7", though according to KCL he has unusually large feet!

Ya'll come on now. You're going to get in trouble.

 

[thefragile7393]

So what fairytale character do you identify with?

Dory in Finding Nemo

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[neesaki]

I've tried but there's no way I can keep up with these threads the way they're moving, so please forgive me if this has already been posted.

Imo, ALV is so far out in left field in her interpretation of what really constitutes DV and that it is even a legitimate claim or relevant in this case, that I just find it hard to believe this DT really holds the belief that this man-hating woman's testimony can help their case. Not to mention there are eleven men on this jury.

I know I can't speak for this jury, but if I was sitting there day after day, week after week, I would be fit to be tied and I would be blaming it on the DT - for dragging out the questioning, for their pathetic 'experts', and for dragging the victim's name through the mud, a man who was murdered in the most bloody, painfully cruel, and violent of ways. I for one could not forget that, and the opinions and allegations made by the DT and their witnesses would not make me the least bit sympathetic toward this defendant.

What I'm getting at is, I have to wonder if the DT's strategy is to do everything they can to wear out, annoy, anger the jury, hoping they can catch them slipping up, with the ultimate goal being a mistrial. This, with special consideration given to their latest escapades. Just some thoughts and JMHO.

 

[Sailor Bug]

Arias prosecutor Juan Martinez targeted in YouTube video

The video starts off with someone watching the trial on TV. Then the viewer fires at Juan Martinez, visible on the screen

"It's really disturbing especially after some of the gun violence we've seen lately going on," says Scotland Squire.




http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/story/21886208/2013/04/04/youtube-video-juan-martinez

 

[SassyMom]

We hold people to a standard. When we tell women they are to be passive, kind, compassionate, and long suffering--that they have to suffer to get what they want--

women believe that's what they are supposed to be.

Now they come into a battered women's shelter...and we ..pathologize them...that compassion stuff is not working out well, you're stuck in your empathy, you're a little too forgiving, and you're very passive. We want you to get tough, we want you to save your children, and we want you to change quickly..and go from snow white to the wicked witch in no time.

We need to allow for the flexibility of male and female roles and allow people to be who they are.

Molly, I know you are quoting AL and these aren't your words, but I gotta say....part of what she's putting out there is complete carp! I'm 53 years old and NOBODY told me to be passive or long-suffering. Not my single Mom, not the nuns who taught me in high school, not my professors at college NOBODY. And I can tell you nobody is telling my 15 year old daughter to be passive and long-suffering either. This is really dated, out-of-sych-with-today information she's putting out there, IMO.

 

[Miss Behavin]

BBM

Are we SURE it was Travis who pulled out the floor cleaner? It makes sense to me that JA would do it and try to haul the thing upstairs to clean up, but abandon the idea because of time, how heavy it was, amount of blood, roommate coming home, etc.

I don't pull my vacuum out until I'm ready to use it. Just seems a little coincidental that a floor cleaner was in the middle of the house when so much cleaning up needed to be done upstairs. Just a thought... :twocents:

The furniture was piled up, too, and moved...as if Travis was cleaning or about to clean. IIRC, in Flores' interview with the roommates, they mentioned it.

Also, Jodi mentioned in her interrogation that Travis was busy cleaning during the afternoon and she would've normally sat on the sofa, but he had furniture piled on it.

My opinion is that he did start cleaning on June 4, most likely in an attempt to subtly tell her to go away.