weekend break: discuss the latest here #124

[Sydni]

Oh, Sydni, you have me laughing in sympathy. I have diagnosed myself with Trial Watchers Obsession Not Otherwise Specified. I know I have developed a mental problem over this trial because I have become secretive about my trial watching. Not one live person knows the extent of my problem- I am hiding it. If they knew that this trial is how I spend literally every spare moment...if they knew that I am skipping dental appointments and telling people I am sick on court days...

Worse yet, I am starting to feel like the WS posters here "understand" me better than my trial-indifferent relatives and friends. They understand why my own pretty pleasant life seems so unimportant compared to justice for Travis Alexander, someone I never met.

I realize I have made this trial personal by subconsciously bundling up all the injustices I dealt with in my divorces, my father's murder, my son's death, the malpractice at the hospital during that one birth, the midwife who didn't scrub, and possibly the unfair nun in eighth grade, etc... and wrapped that whole package up, tied in a bow labeled Nicole Simpson and Caylee Anthony.

I am doing some things to help myself be more balanced as this trial drags on and on with one impossible delay after another. I make myself get out and walk in beautiful nature to connect with all that is right with the world. The beautiful impossibly blue sky, the radiance of the green grass, spring blossoms coming out. I stop by the school and watch the beautiful children playing and how innocent and happy they are because they are living in the moment. They are PRESENT in that Buddhist way of experiencing the moment and when I remember to live in my own present, I feel happy.

Finally, I remind myself that there is great injustice and suffering going on in the world and that this is an unfortunate fact of life. Most of it I can do nothing about. But I can smile at strangers, post on websleuths, and chat it up with the lonely people in my apartment building.

When I come home, I feel better -- and run right to my laptop. Unlike drug addiction, this trial will end and when it does, I'll get my teeth cleaned, go back to the book I'm supposed to be writing and stop feeling like I have little in common with people who don't watch trials.....

Hi my name is Sydni (convulsive sobbing) and I am a JA trial addict.

Seriously, thanks Anagrammy ... It's nice to know that we addicts are not alone. My hubby just said to me that he hasn't talked to one other person who follows this trial .. and he talks to a lot of people. Some of us just have a strong sense of justice being served and I have been one of those persons ever since the OJ trial. Hugs to you ... and everyone here on this board praying for justice for T-Dogg. He would be the age of my youngest son right now and I just can't imagine what his family and siblings are going through. I have so much admiration for them. :heartluv:

 

[Rosemary Pierce]

Dear Jodi: I know that my thinking of you, even in the worst possible ways as I do, is probably satistying to you, but nonetheless feel like dropping a line anyway.

I awoke this morning to birds singing in my neighbor's trees - not the clanging of cell doors and the cacophony of a jail. I would have preferred not to be awakened at 5:30 a.m., but I bet it was still more pleasant than your awakening.

Although I had a peanut butter sandwich and apple for breakfast (along with my freshly ground Kona coffee), it was because that's what I wanted, not because that's what the sheriff chose to serve me. And, tomorrow, I have Belgian waffles with fresh strawberries and whipped cream to look forward to...

Yesterday evening, I had a wonderful dinner out with friends at a cozy Italian restaurant where we listened to opera, had stimulating conversation, and laughed a lot. (And, you were never mentioned!)

What have you done in the last 24 hours? Interesting, isn't it, how much more enjoyable my life is than yours? Could it be because I didn't choose to be a cold-blooded murderer?

With no kind regards whatsoever, MrW

Sorry, peeps, this was just on my mind today. Now, off to enjoy the best my town has to offer on a Saturday afternoon!! As you were....

LOL, and :welcome6:

 

[TartLemon]

Mr W,

You can tell her about my 3 hr long country road drive through the Ozarks a few days ago. My sitting outside at will in solitude for hours just because I want to.

 

[SassyMom]

This is strictly my opinion so don't tar and feather me, but I think the statistics are skewed. I know of at least three men I can think of immediately that have been physically abused and never reported it. They seem to think they would be perceived as wimps if they can't take a few punches from a woman.
My brother died of antifreeze poisoning and although we suspected his wife did it, it was never proven how he was poisoned. His wife had a previous husband who had been shot in the back and that case was never solved.

If I know of that many situations never reported or attributed to women vs men it is logical to follow other people know some that aren't reflected in the statistics as well.

I'm so sorry about your brother. Women have definitely become more physically aggressive, so I'm sure there are a lot more battered men than ever before, and battered men are far less likely to report, imo, than battered women.

And the abuse is not just physical, as we all know. I can count on both hands the number of men that I know who are verbally abused by their wives and gfs. I would NEVER in a million years talk to my husband the way these women talk to their men. He wouldn't take it, either.

 

[BritsKate]

BBM

I do not agree with the bolded statement. I think that people, in general understand abuse. Perhaps not the way that ALV has tried to explain it and plugging information into her continuum. During a trial the experts are hired to explain these issues to the jury in laypersons terms. ALV's problem is that she just isn't believable and she is actually laughable.

I :heartbeat: you, KMouse!

I have personally run into a lot of misconceptions and erroneous assumptions about an abusive relationship though - especially within the family court system. I think psychological abuse specifically needs a few more awareness campaigns. Sharing what it is and how it manifests has become an unexpected mission of sorts.

That said - what ALV testified to wasn't an abusive relationship. They were abusive behaviors - which will be in abusive relationship as well as many, many other more 'normal' relationships. If her primary goal was to educate the masses, she way over-simplified the dynamics and psychology (and that, considering the circumstances, could well have been her intent, anyway). And that's my problem...

Apart from the whole selling her soul, of course.

 

[rose222]

Dear Jodi: I know that my thinking of you, even in the worst possible ways as I do, is probably satistying to you, but nonetheless feel like dropping a line anyway.

I awoke this morning to birds singing in my neighbor's trees - not the clanging of cell doors and the cacophony of a jail. I would have preferred not to be awakened at 5:30 a.m., but I bet it was still more pleasant than your awakening.

Although I had a peanut butter sandwich and apple for breakfast (along with my freshly ground Kona coffee), it was because that's what I wanted, not because that's what the sheriff chose to serve me. And, tomorrow, I have Belgian waffles with fresh strawberries and whipped cream to look forward to...

Yesterday evening, I had a wonderful dinner out with friends at a cozy Italian restaurant where we listened to opera, had stimulating conversation, and laughed a lot. (And, you were never mentioned!)

What have you done in the last 24 hours? Interesting, isn't it, how much more enjoyable my life is than yours? Could it be because I didn't choose to be a cold-blooded murderer?

With no kind regards whatsoever, MrW

Sorry, peeps, this was just on my mind today. Now, off to enjoy the best my town has to offer on a Saturday afternoon!! As you were....

:gthanks:

 

[ILikeToBendPages]

And Katie had to ask members here for sadly needed donations for the real victim's family. I find that very sad.

She didn't have to, many wanted to help and she's just a conduct for us.

 

[VALee]

Whatever she did or said, it had to be done electronically, yes? She was back in CA at that point, and there is no record of her returning to AZ for a flying visit then.

Somewhere there has to be evidence of what happened to set him off.

Since he said 'dire conversation', IMO they were talking on the phone, thus no print record.

 

[KandyKane]

The camera was new so it's likely no one knew he had it. I doubt it would have been missed.

Without that camera and the time stamped photos and the fact that the SIM card survived the washing machine I think Jodi might have gotten away with the Ninja defense, with a few tweaks to her story. I feel like the camera is one of those once in a lifetime miracles that keeps the universe right.:twocents:

I think the opposite. That the camera was new so everyone knew he had it. Everyone likes to talk about their new stuff.

In hindsight, it would have been better for her if she'd taken the camera with the whole camera case, stole a few more items, trashed the house up a bit and made it look like a break in.

I also think of that photos being recovered as a miracle as well though. Never would I have thought that after deleting the photos and putting the camera through a wash cycle that they'd still be able to extract all those photos and so clear. I would think that even if they could have extracted them they'd just look like fuzzy blobs of color that didn't look like anything.
Actually, when I look at those photos now it still amazes me.

 

[Dmacky]

Does anyone else remember that travis's computer was logged in on june 4th as Deanna? ALV was talking about another girl TA's was supposingly "using" and was abusive to. She had to have read that in an email. I think Jodi had hacked into TA's email and wrote that letter herself. I am positive after reading JA's journal (that she wanted found) that it was another cunning act by JA to use as an alibi. She is so manipulative she even created a new journal!! She had hacked into his accounts, and he knew it. So, she rewrote her journals before she was arrested. She even put in there something about her and Travis have decided to get new/private passwords for our emails for our FB, MS, and emails. We gave each other our passwords EONS ago. PLEASE!! She was covering her arse just in case Travis had told anyone about his suspicions. I guess her real journal is wherever the gun and knife is, all tied up nice and neat with the imaginary rope. She was definitely blackmailing him. She is one sick, cunning, manipulative Beotch. :furious:

 

[SassyMom]

Whatever she did or said, it had to be done electronically, yes? She was back in CA at that point, and there is no record of her returning to AZ for a flying visit then.

Somewhere there has to be evidence of what happened to set him off.

Someone said it elsewhere, but I think it was the recorded phone call. She either told him or he found out about it, but the repercussions he would have should that call ever be made public would certainly, imo, be enough for him to call her all those things.

As soon as I heard it played in court I believed that he was completely unaware that she'd made that recording.

 

[katydid23]

I, for one, am really hoping for the "smoking gun", that "Perry Mason Moment", when Juan whips out the unaccounted for photos, or the info on JA's computer that she thought she had conveniently destroyed. I think I'm going to feel terribly let down if there isn't one.

This is my first trial watch. Is it always like this?

There might not be anything quite like a true Perry Mason moment. The killer is not going to break down on the stand and admit her evil ways.

But he does have a few things up his sleeve, imo. First of all, I think he is going to break down this DV expert. I think he will be able to use her own little 'Abuse Continuum' to plug in Jodi's abusive actions. And he will be able to pinpoint LIES in her own journal written by her own hand, so that will impeach the source of ALV's conclusions.

In the first half hour he already got ALV to label Jodi as the victim, and not Travis, the man she slaughtered.

He will also PROVE that she lied to the jury when she swore that she returned that 3rd gas can. That will be powerful if he gets the records from Walmart proving she lied that day on the stand. Because the DT strategy has been that she USED TO lie, but not anymore and not under oath.

I think he has lots of things to support his contention that she stole that gun from her grandpa. She made so many mistakes on the stand tryimng to support her LIE about it being in his closet. " It was in a holster, no it wasn't, I only saw it once when cleaning, and it was not loaded, Oh wait, He said it was loaded and I saw him take it out with him one day...no wait, I saw it three times...what ammo? "

And I believe her 48 Hours and Inside Edition interviews are going to have a huge impact as well. She is soooooo creepy and cray-cray when she describes her smiling booking photo, and her claim that no jury will ever convict her. :shudder: Let alone the Iris's she sent to Travis's grieving grandmother.

Personally, I don't believe that Juan needs any more ammunition. I think he just needs a smoking Closing Argument, to string it all together cohesively. His biggest burden will be to avoid the 'reasonable doubt' trap. He has to get every single juror onboard.

 

[StephanieHartPI]

I know lots of chat abbrs. I even puzzled out some new ones here -- like TH and ITA, but I'm stumped by BBM?! A clue please...

Bolded By Me

When I Bold something in your paragraph to highlight it! (like i did above)

 

[Rosemary Pierce]

Hi my name is Sydni (convulsive sobbing) and I am a JA trial addict.

Seriously, thanks Anagrammy ... It's nice to know that we addicts are not alone. My hubby just said to me that he hasn't talked to one other person who follows this trial .. and he talks to a lot of people. Some of us just have a strong sense of justice being served and I have been one of those person ever since the OJ trial. Hugs to you ... and everyone here on this board praying for justice for T-Dogg. He would be the age of my youngest son right now and I just can't imaging what his family and sibling and going through. I have so much admiration for them. :heartluv:

Sydni I just talked to my brother, who lives in TN, and he had no clue who Arias was :facepalm: I was like NEVERMIND!

I swore I would never get caught up in another trial after OJ, then came CA (I lied), swore never again......now here I am demanding justice for Travis and his family.

 

[katiedid2]

Mr W,

You can tell her about my 3 hr long country road drive through the Ozarks a few days ago. My sitting outside at will in solitude for hours just because I want to.

May I add : the privilege of going out my back door to Starbucks for. A delicious cold strawberry frappucino!

 

[JustJudy]

I've been reading yesterday's posts and noticed I was 1 of 3 people reading there. The other 2 are guests.

Wonder if they're from the DT looking for clues for next week?

....one could've been me. Am usually on my IPhone & my login times out even when I check "remember me," so I'm usually a guest. :fence:

Nevermind, you meant something else....sorry

 

[pip]

Someone had posted the other day that she has two sons, and a partner, Gail. That always reads to me "domestic" partner, not professional.

ETA: Not that I care either way, because I don't.

In her SNOW WHITE seminar on youtube she mentioned her son and daughter at early ages. Maybe she has two sons now. Who knows.

 

[katiedid2]

There might not be anything quite like a true Perry Mason moment. The killer is not going to break down on the stand and admit her evil ways.

But he does have a few things up his sleeve, imo. First of all, I think he is going to break down this DV expert. I think he will be able to use her own little 'Abuse Continuum' to plug in Jodi's abusive actions. And he will be able to pinpoint LIES in her own journal written by her own hand, so that will impeach the source of ALV's conclusions.

In the first half hour he already got ALV to label Jodi as the victim, and not Travis, the man she slaughtered.

He will also PROVE that she lied to the jury when she swore that she returned that 3rd gas can. That will be powerful if he gets the records from Walmart proving she lied that day on the stand. Because the DT strategy has been that she USED TO lie, but not anymore and not under oath.

I think he has lots of things to support his contention that she stole that gun from her grandpa. She made so many mistakes on the stand tryimng to support her LIE about it being in his closet. " It was in a holster, no it wasn't, I only saw it once when cleaning, and it was not loaded, Oh wait, He said it was loaded and I saw him take it out with him one day...no wait, I saw it three times...what ammo? "

And I believe her 48 Hours and Inside Edition interviews are going to have a huge impact as well. She is soooooo creepy and cray-cray when she describes her smiling booking photo, and her claim that no jury will ever convict her. :shudder: Let alone the Iris's she sent to Travis's grieving grandmother.

Personally, I don't believe that Juan needs any more ammunition. I think he just needs a smoking Closing Argument, to string it all together cohesively. His biggest burden will be to avoid the 'reasonable doubt' trap. He has to get every single juror onboard.

I rejoice in the fact that Martinez gets the last word in closing.

I still wonder about. the (18) page letter She sent the alexander family Did she rant on and on and on about how wonderful of a friend travis was.

 

[Donnareit]

I, for one, am really hoping for the "smoking gun", that "Perry Mason Moment", when Juan whips out the unaccounted for photos, or the info on JA's computer that she thought she had conveniently destroyed. I think I'm going to feel terribly let down if there isn't one.

This is my first trial watch. Is it always like this?

:therethere: Real trials don't have Perry Mason moments because of all the rules and the discovery process. But . . . for connecting the dots and getting to the truth of things, Juan Martinez does keep things lively. Who could possibly sleep through the moment he dropped the camera? Or after digging away at Jodi's loss of memory, when he said, "Well, it's YOUR fog? Or how he got a psychologist with a PhD so rattled he blurts out, "SIR! I BEG your pardon"!

 

[katydid23]

Since he said 'dire conversation', IMO they were talking on the phone, thus no print record.

EXACTLY. She probably threatened to send his bishop the sex tape. I am wondering if that is what spurred him to go the the bishop himself, just in case she made good on those threats.