weekend discussion: discuss the trial here #139

[G&AMom]

Back in my early 30's, I met a guy who really kept trying to talk to me. We went out a few times, nothing romantic (to me), and one night I was at a local place and some girl confronted me in the bathroom. Asked me if my name was _____, which freaked me out (how does this stranger know my name??!??!!). She then proceeded to tell me that this guy was her boyfriend, maybe they had kids, I don't really remember now, but what I DO remember was her telling me her friends wanted her to just jump me but she wanted to speak with me first. I offered to have her follow me to close to where I lived, I'd call the guy and tell him to meet me, and she could bust him. She was more than happy with that, so I called him, he showed up near my place and so did she. She lit into him and I remember him standing their looking at me as I walked away and said, "How could you do this?" and I said, "Because you lied."

Thankfully, I never heard from/saw either again. But my view is that we are all sisters really, and many times guys will lie to get a little side action. Why not stick up for each other, instead of being mad at the girl?? YES, there are lying, conniving chicks who thrive on stealing the husbands/boyfriends of other women to somehow prove they "have it and she doesn't" but one day they will find out. And they'll deserve all they get. In the meantime, we should look out for one another.

My feeling in these situations is always, honey, if you can get him, he's yours. He's not the last pair of sandals at Bloomingdale's.

 

[Breezy1]

I have a question about criminal courts and rebuttal.

I know in family court when my husband presented his case, they gave just enough evidence to prove it was a valid reason for a motion. 90% of the evidence he had was saved for rebuttal because they knew what was going to be said when she took the stand and there was no obligation to tell her any of the evidence he had to contradict it.

If there were more pictures from the camera did the prosecutor have to tell the defense about all of them or just tell them about the ones they would be using for their initial case? Or could the person who analysed the camera come in and reveal everything on it if there were additional pictures?

Hypothetically, if they had solid proof of stalking, plotting the murder, from Jodi from her computers or a witness or any other source, would that be made aware of it? Do they get to interview the witnesses prior like they did when the state and defense made their case? Or is this just all out war with concealed rebuttal evidence the state has no obligation to made known of prior to refute their case?

TIA

 

[katiecoolady]

And this is the same woman who said the name of a man she "testified" on behalf of in CRIMINAL COURT was likely confidential....

JM handled that perfectly asking if she thought JAs name was confidential here. She's almost as slippery as the sociopath but not as practiced.

 

[G&AMom]

She was speaking on theory not facts. Juan was asking questions to get the facts.

That's not her style I suppose.

Juan asked her several times how many times she's testified in criminal court. I think she said 4, or was that the number of men she defended? :what:

I think she said 3 or 4. I also think she implied rather heavily that she didn't defend any men at all -- it was a situation where maybe the whole family had problems, or there were other problems involved, or something similar. I didn't get the sense from anything she said that she EVER had a case where the wife was a whack nutjob and the husband was blameless. JMO

 

[carnnell]

EXACTLY. When I was stalked, my stalker threatened me that he was going to call my boss & tell him that I was a wh@#e. He did call, and only told my boss to "have a nice day." I called the police, but they couldn't do anything b/c it was not a threat. It made me terrified that I was going to lose my job and it made me physically ill from fear. Jodi fits that to a T.

I can thoroughly understand.

Many :rose: and :hug:

I am so glad you are past that horrible time in your life and the strength you gained through your fear

 

[katiecoolady]

I have always been leery of people who smile a lot when trying to make you believe something...

I didn't like her from day one....but I did try to keep an open mind...well the mind door slammed shut pretty quickly!!

I can't get out of my mind the thought of how many men may have been falsely accused, confirmed by her, and possibly imprisioned of child or spousal abuse (she said she mainly testifies in family court) how frightening is that!!

Janine Driver says you convince or convey. ALV tries to convince a lot which makes her less credible.

 

[atthelake]

ALV was willing to throw anybody under the bus to "save" JA. Funny when asked to identify names she testified for/against in a criminal proceeding...she sited confidentiality. And then even more interesting in relation to men she testified for in a criminal proceeding...there were none...it was a written report...but ALV couldn't recall his name.

But she tossed out names to help JA even when she could have chosen discretion.

That was funny as chit and then Juan reminded her they were public records.

I have checked 5 times today to see if Mikee Daniels has put up a new YouTube video from yesterday! it should be fabulous for those that are true followers! I am in love with that man! I'm addicted to him just like the trial and this site. for all of you out there who have never seen his videos, they are hysterical while being spot on intelligent . especially the one that he did that shows up on YouTube as a map, and goes into the statistical probability of all of Jodi's lies. I am on my phone or I would post it right now.

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[JusticeJunkie]

i really think Alice is a nice woman and is really good at her work of counseling dv couples and most of the things she talked about related to dv make sense. I just don't see how dv applies to this case. I think it was a mistake of the defense to use her testimony.

You and I will have to agree to disagree on this. I don't think a "nice" woman would decimate the character of a dead man - a man who was MURDERED at the hands of the client she CHOOSE to testify on the behalf of. She also CHOOSE to speak the actual names of characters she included in her mud slinging of Travis - that was totally unnecessary. That is not a NICE person IMO.


IMO, she either deliberately lied, or her years of experience and education have been for naught. She should be able at this point in her career to ferret out the liars, malingers, and those who are simply looking for an out.
If she is not able to recognize this, at this point in her career, she shouldn't be testifying. And it makes me doubt ALL of her decisions now.

 

[RR0004]

The case that Flores worked so hard on is now in my man Juan's hands now. Flores had to spend a lot of time interrogating this creepy, lying, murderer. He wants her convicted, so I'm sure he's happy to get JM water, carry his brief case, feed him his lunch...anything that would be helpful to JM in convicting JA of first degree murder!

I find comfort in seeing him sit there beside JM.

 

[Breezy1]

i really think Alice is a nice woman and is really good at her work of counseling dv couples and most of the things she talked about related to dv make sense. I just don't see how dv applies to this case. I think it was a mistake of the defense to use her testimony.

I see her as someone who weighs more heavily on the womans word. And could potentionally hurting many men with this bias.

If a couple comes in because the woman is a hostile partner, she would be much more inclined to take the womans version, and not apply the mans reactions in that context. She could convey to the man he's actually the abuser without saying it, or equally guilty instead on telling him to leave an unhealthy relationship. I see her taking relationships as either two way streets of hostile behavior or men who batter. I think she disconnects when it comes to applying her methods to women. I don't think she believes women truly response abusively to men with provocation.

Just my opinion.

 

[Liebchenmutti]

I have to catch up on here and watch ALV answer questions too. Busy, busy!

IN this video at around 0:32:30 JM is grilling ALV about whether she really testified on behalf on men. Watch Willmott at that time. She does something strange. Very much like JA. Like she has an anger problem and wants to lash out.

Jodi Arias Trial - Day 46 - Part 2 - YouTube

Is she calling JM a name or cursing or something?

JW's courtroom style is to be in total reaction to JM at all times. She will relentlessly note each and every point JM makes on cross or follow up and she'll go through each and every one in a stressed-out voice. I think she's out-lawyered here, and she knows that JM is being a real gentleman with her--he could totally humiliate her skills, but he doesn't.

 

[The Village Idiot]

Not sure if it was here, or somewhere else.....but the Penis pic from Court (can I say that here??) shows a partial hand in it.

IMHO those finger nails LOOK more like Darryl's fingernails than Travis. As they are more square fingertips where TA were more Round. So knowing JA she could have told the DT that WAS Travis's P*nis. While all along it is actually Darryl thing. So ONLY Darryl and JA know that. So she may be controlling him by getting that pic into evidence via the DT and telling them (more lies) while Darryl know its his thing....so in order to keep it from the public REALLY knowing it is his (as what guy would confess to that) ....Darryl know it his thing, and rather than say so.....He lies on the Stand to HELP JA -- and if he does this -- SHE will not disclose it is his *thing*.

We all know that JA uses sexual things on Men...and I have a feeling that this is another one of her games.

Darryl IS not going to say that is really his thing and that she is lying, as the internet world would know. It will not hurt JA (in her sick mind) but then he will be exposing his family jewels to all. A guy would assume IF He CAN lie for JA IN ORDER to keep their secret as to whose family jewels they are. So TA not alive to say that is his thing...so JA with Darryl can pull the wool over people eyes. We know how she controls people

MAYBE that is why Darryl did not want his face shown in Court just in Case should it ever be known that is his Jewels. Maybe the DT promise him and (his jewels) a Witness relocation/protection program LOL

We know JA plays sexually, plays dirty, and plays a game so warped. This idea is not so far fetched!! That is what she (possibly) has OVER Darryl.

Think about, it is ONLY JA word that is TA jewels......

Worth some thought!!! Seriously...how do you make a person that may really hate you - say Nice things about you in Court? You hang something OVER their head to make them the perfect lying witness for you (meaning her JA)


:moo: :doorhide:

Could we do a POLL on this.....a close up of the fingers in that pic compared to pics of TA. I am just curious as to how the WS people opinions on this would be?

Like I said, it is only JA Word to her DT that is really TA that sent it to her and that is his Jewels. I am not trying to be disrespectful at all to TA memory, but it is ONLY JA words that is his jewels. So WS, lets do a poll on the comparsion on the shape of those fingers in that pic to TA fingers

Will be interesting to see how the WS view that evidence. Evidence is Evidence and maybe it IS another item of JA LIES!!

Worth a poll -- just to see our views. I think it will be surprising result/opinions on this!!

:twocents:

 

[momof7]

You and I will have to agree to disagree on this. I don't think a "nice" woman would decimate the character of a dead man - a man who was MURDERED at the hands of the client she CHOOSE to testify on the behalf of. She also CHOOSE to speak the actual names of characters she included in her mud slinging of Travis - that was totally unnecessary. That is not a NICE person IMO.


IMO, she either deliberately lied, or her years of experience and education have been for naught. She should be able at this point in her career to ferret out the liars, malingers, and those who are simply looking for an out.
If she is not able to recognize this, at this point in her career, she shouldn't be testifying. And it makes me doubt ALL of her decisions now.

I don't disagree, but would add a third reason. She is jaded by those years of experience. And this was her eye opening wake up call that the world is not flat and not all abusers are men. IMHO

K

 

[scorpio24]

The defense table wasn't looking nearly as "chipper" yesterday and JA didn't seem as "chirpy." She wasn't even doodling with her little golf pencil! Methinks something did not go well in chambers because it hasn't been going well in the courtroom from day 1!

I just want to ask her, "You didn't REALLY expect any rational person to BELIEVE this nonsense, did you?" :rocker:

 

[ilovewings]

Here is my prediction, and Jodi is already starting to plot it: When this whole thing is done and she is convicted, she is going to throw Samuels and ALV under the bus. She is going to come up with a fourth story ( Maybe Insanity) and tell the world the truth. That these experts came to her, told her to change her story from the Ninjas to being the Victim, and gave her the material to try to perfect her story. She will totally ruin their career and won't care because she knows that they used her for their own benefit. And of course, Nurmi and JW are going down too because she will expose them also, and Samuels and ALV won't even see it coming.

But I tell you, I can see it in her face, she is already plotting her next move.

i see it too in those vacant empty beady eyes--- she is diabolical and truly evil as Travis found out much too late

 

[Nosey Parker]

i thought this whole thing with bruises on her neck was earlier. like when she was driving back to yreka from mesa. not on the murder trip? wrong? right?

Yes. I'm sure Juan said she took a photo of herself in the U-Haul. Then he just left it hang (as he so often does, for his own reasons)

 

[G&AMom]

Last night I sat by my pool drinking White Merlot getting away from reality for a while, munching on chocolate chip cookies and thinking of AL. I was wondering what type of person believes JA was a victim, and Travis Alexander was the perpetrator. I’ve never been a greedy person, so it’s hard for me to understand her doing this for money. I don’t know if AL is the way she is because she herself was abused. She seems, to me to be a very bitter woman. I’ve been abused, by the male I was married to in the 70’s. In the 70’s it was not against the law for a husband to rape his wife repeatedly, whether they were living together or not. We were not. I don’t know if I want to cry or get angry, AL believes JA was abused because Travis SAID some MEAN things to JA. Because one time Travis did not say PLEASE. AL believes, even though JA was the one who shot Travis in the head, slit Travis’ throat, and stabbed Travis in the back she is the victim. Is this what is meant by secondary gain? For $300.00 an hour there are people who are considered to be experts, and these people will give their expert opinions agreeing with whoever will pay them? Well, I don’t know what type of person AL is, in my opinion she is a liar, in my opinion JA is not a victim.Travis is the victim, JA abused Travis and then she killed him. And now JA with the help of her DT and AL, she is abusing Travis’ family. But hey, that’s the law; criminals have all the rights and all the protection. Three times I have had to make the finale decision to end a life, first time was my Mom, second time was my brother, and then just last year my Dog Joey. It’s a terrible thing to have to do. Even after 14 years I still have problems dealing with my brother. Having said that, I do believe there are some humans who should be put to death, evil ones like JA. Pit Bulls are almost always killed when they attack and kill, I believe JA acted like a Pit Bull when she killed Travis, the only difference is, JA used a knife and a gun. bbl I need to get away from reality for a while

The best part of this is, Grammie, is that you were sitting by your pool, drinking wine and eating cookies, which Jodi will never ever ever do. Ever. :hug:

 

[JustMeDeb]

Well this puts things in perspective on how this trial has dragged on way too long.

Since Feb. 4th, we have had a grand total of 3, count them, 3 witnesses on the stand, UGH

 

[SusieD]

We now know which woman was a recovering anorexic, which was married at the time, and which had TA's head "between her legs" at some point. And the names were unusual enough to remove all doubt about just who ALV was talking about. If ALV is an example of DV counselors at their best, protecting victims' privacy must not be important.

I think ALV sees those women as "bad" and deserving of her public scorn.

 

[cubbeegirl]

If I ever did something wrong in Arizona and Juan was the prosecutor, I think I would just tell them to give me whatever punishment they think I deserve...
And no, I am not a criminal hehe