weekend discussion: discuss the trial here #139

[Novice Seeker]

Just watching tonight thanks to croakerqueen123 so this was probably noticed pages ago, but for us late-niters - this shows a sneaky psychopath at work doing something with water and kleenex?? - starts at 30:00 and keep watching - about 31:50 is really strange - shaking out the last of the water?...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZBMGUvyEIQ

Strange because Jodi doesn't take a drink. It appears that something is in the cup, paper or tissue? It's as if she poured water in it to dilute/destroy something? But, regardless, Jodi doesn't drink from that cup after intently putting water in it.

 

[The Village Idiot]

Is JA a little off? A little warped in the Mind, like her parents said??

Me thinks so....

 

[Truth Detector]

Why the heck is she hiding all these pencils? Is she going to run amok in the courtroom?

I think the pencils are for her art which, we're told, is quite a lucrative venture for her due to the notoriety she has gained via this case over the prior 4.5 years, and especially the past four months.

 

[tinkabella]

I was annoyed at ALV for making it seems like travis sat down and wrote jodi a 16 pg tirade putting her down and assassinating her character. The jurors asked her could the message appear as a long tirade because they were text messages or something to that fact. Some text messages only let you use 160 characters at a time. I'm no math whiz but if someone hurt me to a point where I had to let it alllll out 16 pages of text wouldn't bother me..just saying. But then again she knows nothing about texts. Also ALV never considered why travis wrote those things to her. He says you scammed me, you are a liar, worse than hitler, something about being a carcass...I would want to know what happened before this text. I saw Travis telling no lies when he told jodi off. Was it mean? Yes. Did she deserve it?? Most likely Was it character assassination? NO. Everything he said was true about Jodi. especially when he told her YOU ARE THE WORST THING THAT EVER HAPPENED TO ME.

 

[kscornfed]

Yet she constantly harps on 'context' and 'patterns of behavior'. Did she consider that she doesn't know what made him so angry with JA and that it was likely to have been a well warranted reaction to whatever happened? CONTEXT. Did she consider that this was not the norm for him and wasn't typical TA response? PATTERN of BEHAVIOR

those are just words she uses, obviously, because in reality she doesn't seem to know what they mean. she certainly doesn't APPLY them.

like the 5/26 text where TA was so angry. what was that about? what was the CONTEXT? did she even ASK jodi? if she did, jodi would've lied to her, but still. she never said WHY she believed he was angry.

no context given whatsoever.

i really loathed this woman by the time she was done. seriously loathe her. lol. she may talk about 'shades of gray' but it's pretty clear that when it comes to abuse, things are VERY black (men bad) and white (women good) in alyce's world.

 

[The Village Idiot]

I think the pencils are for her art which, we're told, is quite a lucrative venture for her due to the notoriety she has gained via this case over the prior 4.5 years, and especially the past four months.

...and if she does not get the DP, only LWOP....I hope they never let her have another Pen/pencil.

Then maybe she will have some suffering and pain...as she has no remorse for TA

 

[raisincharlie]

I'm getting more and more nervous that the DT/JA will do something, manipulate a situation, cause an action to force a mistrial. Anyone else worried about that?

I fully expect to see the DT file numerous motions for mistrial between now and meltdown time. I suspect we will see once again prosecutorial misconduct, witness tampering, witness harassment, reference to JA's little twitter and ALVs twitter, the list will be long and most likely will once again accuse the jury of watching media of all forms. ALV imploded, the DT has nothing left to try and save Ms. Arias - it is now spaghetti throwing time.

 

[ricky_ticky]

Everything he said was true about Jodi. especially when he told her YOU ARE THE WORST THING THAT EVER HAPPENED TO ME.

I've been thinking about this statement and the previous sentence:

I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND HOW EVIL I THINK YOU ARE.

I can't imagine the horror of circumstances that would have moved Travis to make such statements. Without going into detail, there have been people in my life who hurt me and I'm sure it's true for almost everyone that we may have thought these things from time to time. But to say them to someone? What would that take?

Anyone willing to admit that they've made a similar statement and the situation underlying it?

 

[Truth Detector]

Completely agree.

Whatever knowledge she had about DV she threw right out the window for Arias... it is very, very strange. Does she truly believe it is worth it to lose her reputation to save Arias? I can't help but feel confused.

Given her retirement account comment, I would say that she doe$ truly believe it is worth it.

 

[LambChop]

I can't guess about what she will or will not do. However, if she plans on ever being an expert again, she should review this entire trial and then come clean with herself both on a personal and professional level first.

At a minimum she should realize that if a defense team is going to limit the investigatory aspect to cherry picked items, and restrict one's face to face interviews to the defendent only, the smartest thing to do is to pass it by like however many did before her. I just don't understand Ms. ALV at all, so many red flags, so many lies, and yet she happily pops into court expecting it to be a positive and she could save Ms. Arias. Simply dellusional...

ALV stated herself that had she been privy to certain information she would have never taken the case. That information obviously was kept from her by defense. Perfect example is the fact that ALV stated that Travis did not go to his Bishop when she does not know that for sure. No one would know that unless they spoke to his Bishop who is highly unlikely to give out that information to defense. So she was assuming it never happened. As Mimi explained on the stand that would have been between Travis and the Bishop because ultimately it was Travis' responsibility to repent.

ALV uses the fact that Travis was a Mormon to justify why Travis would have been abusive because of his relationship with Jodi when she has no idea of whether or not that is true. She stated she considered it as a fact when she should have considered it as a possibility. Also, seeing his rant would be an indication Jodi did something to really upset him. What could that have been? She never suspected Jodi of being behind that rant. Something caused him to go off the deep end. ALV had nothing but Jodi's word that the past incidents happened. The whole trip to Mesa and the amount of wounds to Travis should have put ALV on the defense when she asked Jodi questions. Between the two experts they handed Jodi's whole defense to her on a silver platter. Instead of the experts considering the facts they built the facts around Jodi's story. This is why ALV made so many mistakes. The defense was constantly evolving.

 

[carnnell]

Good Morning to all the WBers!!! Fresh coffee :cup: :cup: :cup: or refills!!!!

I hope everyone is having a fine morn on this beautiful Saturday.

I have had enough of AVL, I have turned her over to the Judge, Karma and the Universe. She got to me yesterday big time, I just don't want my serenity disturbed by her testimony. She isn't worth it. That being said and my :twocents: on this embarrassing colleague issue.

Some thoughts is Travis going along in life being a regular guy of 30 year old attempting to make it appearing to do a pretty good job of it too. He is struggling between his faith and finding his place with being single, hormones and pressure to be married. He wasn't perfect so who is. I am sure he would have figured it out eventually IF HE HAD THAT CHANCE!!

He seemed to be an easy going and out going guy who enjoyed giving/helping others as one part of his spiritual journey. He was very tolerant person of others faults, misgivings and empathetic.

When he met Jodi, the tides turned to a world he was not use to. He attempted to continue to be understanding, positive, over looking faults, and doing what he thought was what the "right way' to handle this horrible situation with Jodi especially once he was putting two and two together as to what she was doing. His tolerance of Arias stalking Obsessive vengeful behavior was pretty high until....

...a "Something" happen in May, 2008 Arias did that was the last straw for easy-going Travis and he loose it. "The Something" had to be so bad for Travis to slice and dice Arias. After hearing the admitted lines he did say, I heard hurt in his words. For example, The words he used "the slang for prostitute" means to me he may have felt used, "dildo with a heartbeat" means to me he still felt being used.

I believe, unbeknownst to him, he sealed his fate when he threaten Arias to "tell her parents and friend" "The Something". "The Something" had to be pretty bad in the eyes of Travis to actually go to her friends/family.

I don't believe "The Something" is hacking his emails, Facebook, My Space accounts, bank accounts because she had been doing those actions for awhile with his knowledge. "The Something" must have occurred in May and it was a whopper.

This is out of character of Travis it just has been something over and beyond what has been going on prior to all of her snarly, stalking behaviors previously.

I hope we can hear in re-buttal the "The Something" unless it is too prejudicial.

JHMO

 

[josie1986]

god ive been biting my nails off not being able to get on here,i think i did a boo boo :innocent:

so is alv completely done on the stand apart from this other issue? this is what im unclear on?

for the first time yesterday,at the end of court i thought to myself "its over" meaning for Jodi. im still staying optimistic but if that is alv done thats the defense done. now its rebuttal and juan is going to have expert after expert,wallmart,tesoro and whoever else bringing it home that SHE did plan it and wasn't self defense. the only thing the defense have left really is closing statement because i doubt they will successfully cross any of juans witness's

 

[Wake_me]

I was annoyed at ALV for making it seems like travis sat down and wrote jodi a 16 pg tirade putting her down and assassinating her character. The jurors asked her could the message appear as a long tirade because they were text messages or something to that fact. Some text messages only let you use 160 characters at a time. I'm no math whiz but if someone hurt me to a point where I had to let it alllll out 16 pages of text wouldn't bother me..just saying. But then again she knows nothing about texts. Also ALV never considered why travis wrote those things to her. .

Also, recall as JW had to remind ALV IM's were line after line, text messages were in boxes. 16 pages of text messages sounds like a lot more than it is, until you see how much space these boxes take up on a page, and how little space is allocated for text, per box.

 

[LambChop]

I would suspect it isn't a verified account. Throughout her time on the stand she has both explicitly stated her lack of computer skills and also demonstrated it through not knowing the difference between IM's, texts, created the verb g-mailing IIRC, among other instances.

On the very off chance she did just create one, I don't see how any further 'cyber-bullying' could impact the trial as her testimony in front of the jury is complete.

If she were examining materials given to her by defense do you think as a professional she would have found out within the two years she has been on this case????? Her only way of judging Travis was through these texts. It's not rocket science.

 

[Wake_me]

god ive been biting my nails off not being able to get on here,i think i did a boo boo :innocent:

so is alv completely done on the stand apart from this other issue? this is what im unclear on?

All signs point to yes. JM said he was done with her, and the issue next week won't be public AFAIK.

 

[Truth Detector]

...and if she does not get the DP, only LWOP....I hope they never let her have another Pen/pencil.

Then maybe she will have some suffering and pain...as she has no remorse for TA

Oh, she'll continue to steal and stash them as she's been doing since her incarceration...

Contraband pens taped under her bed, pens discovered in her shampoo, forbidden creams (anti-fungal, etc.) et al...

This defendant has the most delusional martyr complex.

She portrays herself as St. Jodi of Arias, doing the dirty work that no one else would/could, sacrificing her personal freedom and ultimately her life to save the children of the world from a monstrous pedophile.

Seems to be the tack taken by her Defense Team, at least.

 

[atthelake]

I fully expect to see the DT file numerous motions for mistrial between now and meltdown time. I suspect we will see once again prosecutorial misconduct, witness tampering, witness harassment, reference to JA's little twitter and ALVs twitter, the list will be long and most likely will once again accuse the jury of watching media of all forms. ALV imploded, the DT has nothing left to try and save Ms. Arias - it is now spaghetti throwing time.

Perfect! Katie cool lady is making spaghetti sauce this weekend to go with that spaghetti on the walls!

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[Wake_me]

If she were examining materials given to her by defense do you think as a professional she would have found out within the two years she has been on this case????? Her only way of judging Travis was through these texts. It's not rocket science.

She seems to looked at this case through a very narrow, old fashioned perspective. She was only interested in domestic abuse as it relates to Jodi. Otherwise I believe she would have been more interested in the most brutal act of domestic abuse that occurred on June 4th. She openly admitted to facts she did not know, and that she had a basic idea of what happened that day. What a joke.

 

[Boodles]

Good Morning to all the WBers!!! Fresh coffee :cup: :cup: :cup: or refills!!!!

I hope everyone is having a fine morn on this beautiful Saturday.

I have had enough of AVL, I have turned her over to the Judge, Karma and the Universe. She got to me yesterday big time, I just don't want my serenity disturbed by her testimony. She isn't worth it. That being said and my :twocents: on this embarrassing colleague issue.

Some thoughts is Travis going along in life being a regular guy of 30 year old attempting to make it appearing to do a pretty good job of it too. He is struggling between his faith and finding his place with being single, hormones and pressure to be married. He wasn't perfect so who is. I am sure he would have figured it out eventually IF HE HAD THAT CHANCE!!

He seemed to be an easy going and out going guy who enjoyed giving/helping others as one part of his spiritual journey. He was very tolerant person of others faults, misgivings and empathetic.

When he met Jodi, the tides turned to a world he was not use to. He attempted to continue to be understanding, positive, over looking faults, and doing what he thought was what the "right way' to handle this horrible situation with Jodi especially once he was putting two and two together as to what she was doing. His tolerance of Arias stalking Obsessive vengeful behavior was pretty high until....

...a "Something" happen in May, 2008 Arias did that was the last straw for easy-going Travis and he loose it. "The Something" had to be so bad for Travis to slice and dice Arias. After hearing the admitted lines he did say, I heard hurt in his words. For example, The words he used "the slang for prostitute" means to me he may have felt used, "dildo with a heartbeat" means to me he still felt being used.

I believe, unbeknownst to him, he sealed his fate when he threaten Arias to "tell her parents and friend" "The Something". "The Something" had to be pretty bad in the eyes of Travis to actually go to her friends/family.

I don't believe "The Something" is hacking his emails, Facebook, My Space accounts, bank accounts because she had been doing those actions for awhile with his knowledge. "The Something" must have occurred in May and it was a whopper.

This is out of character of Travis it just has been something over and beyond what has been going on prior to all of her snarly, stalking behaviors previously.

I hope we can hear in re-buttal the "The Something" unless it is too prejudicial.

JHMO

After all these months, no one knows what "The Something" is. How crazy is that? Isn't it information which is critical? Its omission is akin to ignoring the elephant in the room. Talk about lack of context! The jury should be given the whole story.

 

[momof7]

JMOO of course but I have always felt the ninja story was a close as we'll ever come to TA's last moments. I think JA dressed the part and used both gun and knife to support a claim of 2 assailants... and obviously making this all VERY premeditated.

I agree. Especially since we know that she didn't change her story about the ninja's until after she had been forced to by RS and Nurmi. Lets face it, at that point she knew that it wasn't going well, what evidence was out there etc. It definitely feels like she had no problems recounting the murder when there were two ninjas, but all of the sudden has a foggy recollection when she admits she did it.

Its amazing to me that in the ninja story she talks about running down the stairs and out of the house...probably true. But, she ran down the stairs and out of the house AFTER she put stuff in the washer, grabbed the knife and the gun, cleaned herself up. I am still stuck to a certain degree on the fact that she had to be really cleaned up and the stopping in the desert with blood on her hands is total fabrication. She had to get into a white car in the daylight/dusk. Bloody hands equal blood on the doorknob or did she wrap her hands in rope and open the door...jk...but you kwim. Its just useless information about the desert and bloody hands to me. I don't even think she was wearing the same clothes as there were 'kool aid' type stains on the back seats when she turned the car back in, she changed and threw the stuff back there. I think she absolutely knows where the gun, the knife and the clothes are. She made a detour from her trip and tossed them and then went back to her route to SLC.

I don't remember, but other than her interrogation with Det Flores, did she testify about the missing hours on her trip on the stand?

Thanks!

K