weekend discussion: discuss the trial here #141

[InALandFarFarAway]

>snip<
He apparently was not privy to Jodi's testimony on the stand. Why didn't Juan point this out to Sameuls? Is he not allowed to?

I think Juanderful may have been concerned about Dr. Samuels flipping out.
I re-watched the entire testimony today because I missed a few days.

I was floored at this guy: he was screaming at Juanderful and accusing Juanderful of losing his (Dr. S's) papers. I thought he was going to fly off the chair!

One minute he was cooperative and the next he was giving Juanderful serious attitude and telling him (Juan) that he didn't understand anything when Dr. S was searching, flipping papers, scattering sheets, missing pages, flipping through stacks of documents; he doesn&#8217;t know, can&#8217;t remember, left out that part, misspoke, scrambling for answers.

I was concerned, too until I realized he was just clueless because once again, the DT didn't give him all the info he needed.

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

I know you said in NM and LA...we aren't talking about NM or LA. This trial is taking place in Arizona.

Schuby:

I said that it's not an easy, simple answer and the question was a generalized one. It is not a question in reference to this case specifically----it was a general question about Psychologists. The question was can Psychologists write prescriptions? Two states can and there are two additional circumstances where they can as well. I believe 11 more states are pending.
If I said, "no, they can't" write prescriptions, then someone on here would've corrected me. And rightly so.

So, I copied/pasted the correct answer (with my disclaimer that it's not an easy answer).
I'm not here to be confrontational, only to provide accurate information.

 

[ttcRider]

This is no biggie, but something I want to ask because it's been bugging me.

How many people really say "gosh" nowadays? I've never said it. Is it a California thing?

JA said it in the interrogation room..."gosh, jodi, you could have at least put on make up."

ALV said it to the juror's question about looking at JA while answering questions.."gosh, I didn't even know I did that."

I also picked up on words that both of them used while testifying that I would not normally expect to hear. Can't think of them off the top of my head, but it did strike me when I heard ALV using JA's words.

Depending on who I am around at the time I usually say God/Gawd but if its someone I know to be religious I will say gosh.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Still sticking with my gunshot first theory. I believe the malfunction occurred with the second shot. When ME stated that he couldn't say with 100% certainty - I gave my mind carte blanch to figure it out for myself, in what I believe occurred based on what I know and based on interviews and based on my working knowledge of investigations - but - everyone is passionate about their belief in the string of events - when it has room for speculation.

At the end of the day, she did it. Either first, second or third. Because she would even lie about who gave birth to her - we will never know.

I understand.

But I did not hear him say that he couldn't say with 100% certainty. He was adamant that the stabs had to come first because the bullet to the brain would have incapacitated him and the slashed throat would have too and he would not be able to have multiple deep defensive wounds on his wrists and hands. He said the only severe wound that would have let him be ambulatory would be the piercing of the vena cava when she stabbed him in the chest.

So Im still sticking to the gunshot coming last because IMO it lines up with the evidence.

IMO

 

[Smelly Squirrel]

This is no biggie, but something I want to ask because it's been bugging me.

How many people really say "gosh" nowadays? I've never said it. Is it a California thing?

JA said it in the interrogation room..."gosh, jodi, you could have at least put on make up."

That's the Mormon version of cussing. "Oh my heck" is another popular expression like that.

 

[camcneishg]

I'm a big fan of his "riiiiiiigghhht" comeback, too :rocker:

I love it when he says....."SURE" :rocker:

 

[gngr~snap]

I definitely saw that one also!

:great:

IMO that is all that really matters here.
It was pre-meditated.
Not self defense.
Send her away for life...
Even if she gets the DP, it will never be enforced.
:jail:

~jmo

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Schuby:

I said that it's not an easy, simple answer and the question was a generalized one. It is not a question in reference to this case specifically----it was a general question about Psychologists. The question was can Psychologists write prescriptions? Two states can and there are two additional circumstances where they can as well. I believe 11 more states are pending.
If I said, "no, they can't" write prescriptions, then someone on here would've corrected me. And rightly so.

So, I copied/pasted the correct answer (with my disclaimer that it's not an easy answer).
I'm not here to be confrontational, only to provide accurate information.

ALV is not a psychologist though is she?

 

[ILikeToBendPages]

Tricia taking call from Jan . . . regarding 911 audio tape where the female caller is clearly casting suspicion on JA immediately. . . . have those been introduced into evidences and if not could they be . . (given ALV's testimony about dv)

Holly doesn't remember whether it has been played in court. Katiecool doesn't remember. Chatroom people said it was Mimi on the tape - she was aware that JA was slashing tires - TA's and another woman he was dating. They cannot bring JA in but because there is no police report implicating JA. JA can implicate TA as being a pedophile without proof.

Unable to bring in allegations of JA's tire slashing as part of a pattern of behavior . . .

Judge has had to rule on balance scale . . . prejudicial stuff cannot come into court with out some kind of proof . . . taint JA's ability to have a fair trial. keeps it out of appellate court if at possible.

Tricia asking if some of the shower pictures were taken through the glass shower door.
No way to ever know what actually happened in the bathroom. She knows a lot more and remembers more than she is telling.

Katiecoolady is trying to assist TA's family in fundraising to offset expenses incurred so they can attend the trial (ie: housing, travel, food, lack wages, etc).

I think it's Mimi Hall too, The voices sound the same.

 

[Hopeful One]

Is it true that Bobby Juarez is dead?

I haven't been able to get on much at all this weekend. Have I missed anything significant?

 

[EquallyDivided]

I absolutely agree with you on this and I don't know why it's been such an issue since it would be hard to tell about that gunshot wound with all the moving and manipulation of the body, the running shower for who knows how long after she had dragged him back in there and the five days of decomposition. It only makes sense really. There is no question that he was likely shot in the face/head while at the bottom of the shower, the question seems to be was it before or after. It seems to me that it just makes sense that she planned to empty out that gun on him in the shower because that is obviously where she intended for him to be and to be found. Her own ninja story mentioned the gun jamming. For all we know there was only one round of ammunition in it. Would she have known enough about guns to know how many rounds were in it? Did she just assume it was fully loaded when she stole it from her grandparents? Or did she assume one shot to the head would be enough to kill him?

I really think that the knife might have been meant to do the kind of sick damage that a rage filled pyschopath might do after the person has been rendered incapacitated by the gun. But it didn't work out that way because Travis was able to get up and out of the shower after that one gunshot. So she went at him with the knife at that point and things got messier than she thought they would. But she managed to get the job done now didn't she. Sick. Just sick.

MOO

Beautifully said. There are a few things that I want to scream from the top of my lungs. I just know - FEEL it. I've investigated mostly two types of crimes throughout my career - but liars and their reactions are all the same.

 

[wasnt_me]

My thoughts were that if he had cashed the check while she was on her road trip, she may not have some of the gas and other purchases go through on her card without making another deposit. Some of her receipted purchases, IIRC, were cash transactions anyway, which led me to believe she was concerned with her account being overdrawn. In addition, I believe she planned on murdering Travis before embarking on her journey, therefore she would not want an additional $200. taken out of her account for his car. For her to even ask LE about the check during her interview speaks volumes as to her intentions, in my opinion.

MOO

Yeah. People are saying she brought the check as a way to get in the house. IF she was concerned about her account, as you indicate, then it would make sense that Travis already had the check. If he didn't already have the check, I don't see why she wouldnt have gotten into the house by presenting him with $200 cash. She obviously had two hundred in cash during the trip. Why go through the trouble of pre-dating a check and bringing it to him? She could have given him traceless cash and taken it back once he was dead.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

IMO that is all that really matters here.
It was pre-meditated.
Not self defense.
Send her away for life...
Even if she gets the DP, it will never be enforced.
:jail:

~jmo

I think it will be carried out one day. I think they executed 6-7 last year. The main thing she knows one day she will be walking the green mile. I don't care how long it takes and Im sure Travis' family doesn't either.

IMO

 

[panthera]

The check thing still gets to me. The check found after she killed Travis, was her very first car payment to him. She never paid him a dime for destroying his car. :furious:

It was almost as if she was of the mindset that he owed her the car so she felt no responsibility in making it inoperable, and not having a working car in her possession, didn't feel she should pay him. Yet, even after that, he just brushed it off and there is no record of him threatening her over it. Just shows what kind of person Travis really was.



MOO

 

[momof7]

She quit her job the day before. She was not coming back...
She was leaving the country imo

Would she have closer to Canada? She would have a passport I am sure. If she wanted to go to Cancun she would have needed one so that wouldn't have been an issue.

Makes sense she was leaving the country, and although Mexico fits in with her strange trip taking, Canada might be easier.

IMHO

K

 

[gngr~snap]

I think it will be carried out one day. I think they executed 6-7 last year. The main thing she knows one day she will be walking the green mile. I don't care how long it takes and Im sure Travis' family doesn't either.

IMO

:seeya: works for me!

 

[katiedid2]

I'm in CA, Bay area .. guilty.. I say it.

Lol well. @ least your honest.

 

[Ammonitida]

The check thing still gets to me. The check found after she killed Travis, was her very first car payment to him. She never paid him a dime for destroying his car. :furious:

She brought the check with her on June 4th in part to tie up a loose end that could have aroused suspicion toward her. Travis accused her of scamming him in text messages in May, telling her that she owned him money. The check would help coverup this bitter dispute, much like her May 26th journal entry and how it covered up the text message argument on May 26th. IMO

Whatever the case, it had to be part of the elaborate coverup, because her references to it after the murder are way too suspicious to ignore. It was the subject of a short text message to Travis on June 6th. Why tell a dead man about cashing that check?

 

[DebinGA]

ALV is not a psychologist though is she?

ALV: "I am a psychotherapist, Miiiiister Martiiiinez."

 

[Schuby]

Schuby:

I said that it's not an easy, simple answer and the question was a generalized one. It is not a question in reference to this case specifically----it was a general question about Psychologists. The question was can Psychologists write prescriptions? Two states can and there are two additional circumstances where they can as well. I believe 11 more states are pending.
If I said, "no, they can't" write prescriptions, then someone on here would've corrected me. And rightly so.

So, I copied/pasted the correct answer (with my disclaimer that it's not an easy answer).
I'm not here to be confrontational, only to provide accurate information.

I feel you, sorry!