weekend discussion: discuss the trial here #154

[katiecoolady]

I say go for it. If I were a juror, I'd certainly be forwarding my liquor bills to the State of Arizona.

Well ya sure got a point there. Cheers! Hey why am I sober anyway? It's Saturday night!

 

[Dana]

I miss Sleuth5!

 

[G&AMom]

I think the code was "Don't come over....it's a private party."

I'm not sure how you mean that. . . .

BTW, I've been meaning to tell you for a long time how much I like your quote from Charles Spurgeon. Definitely one of the best quotes on the board.

 

[ElleElle]

She had an excuse to stop by. It's too complex to explain and comprehend why I think the reasons she was even in his home on Jun4.

They had several conversations the early AM hours of Jun3.

She told him she was travelling and visiting old friends and new friends. Let's see- 2 ex-boyfriends (DB and MM) and the new guy (RB). And, who else she knew from PPL on her road trip? (Gus S.). You can even tell Gus was jealous of Travis when he was testifying. There was a funky realm going on in both Travis and Jodi's lives.

I believe Travis was jealous (but not in a negative way; he was "friends" with her). He figured, why not see her this one last time and put "closure" on the relationship forever.

<snip>

Someone else just wondered why she did it. My theory is that he was taking someone else to cancun (had they gone together?) and she didn't want that to happen. She went there with the intent to kill him. He wasn't "allowed" to move forward. He was "hers" and no one else's. That entire "If I can't have you then no one else can either" thing. i go back and forth about the sex prior. I wonder if they did have sex. I know it "looks" that way but it's hard telling. He had to know something was off when she arrived. Her car wasn't parked there, it wasn't the car he sold her and that had to be weird to him.

 

[MrW]

Love your post and love your input!!
But please don't talk about yourself as old.....that makes me old too and I consider myself 39 .............for the 18th time lol

:floorlaugh: I did say "moderately" old... Age is a state of mind (most days...)

While I'm on a roll here posting, I will say that I must either log out and lurk or constantly sit on my hands while most defense cross-exams are going on. I have never suffered fools well. My poor dogs may have PTSD after the trial is over from all my yelling at the computer - they already run and hide when I get out the toolbox to try to fix something around the house....

I truly appreciate the discussion on this site. I have been around since the FCA days, followed that one closely, and swore never again when it was over. Now, here I am...

 

[BeachGirlFromPA]

Iknowright? I think the "code" was a figment of her fertile imagination.

I think JA had her own interpretation of lots of things....

Travis: Leave me alone. JA hears: He misses me!
Travis: I'm sleepy. JA hears: I have to go sneak in the doggie door! He loves me!
Travis: Pass the ketchup. JA hears:Marry ME!...( Okay, June it is! I'll look splendid in that white wedding gown!)

Travis: Why are you hiding in my closet? JA hears: He wants me to have his children! Oh my.....

 

[katiecoolady]

The laws of attraction certainly have backfired here. I wouldn't suggest prescribing to whatever it was she was believing in.

Ended up slaughtering her boyfriend, in prison facing possible dp, on national TV with everyone watching her every move and viewing intimate photos of her nudeness/rudeness.

Yep, I'd say the laws of attraction WORKED in this situation.:facepalm:

I find that part of the deeper elements of this trial interesting- I'm interested in hearing from people who really know the LofA weigh in (some of whom I really respect). I don't discount it but think its missing some impt elements- how does it work w a sociopath? I'm serious w this ? Believe it or not.

 

[Maryann123]

Thanks Sugar my dear brother made us dinner and were watching a double feature- getting better by the minute

Now you just need a good laugh.......it's the post of the day. Rules for when you approach the Hoover Dam. I probably won't be able to find it....but it made me roll on the floor!

 

[AstroKitty]

Lets all remember they dated maybe 3 or 5 months, right? She didn't let him meet her parents because either a) he didn't want her and didn't want to meet her family or b) she keeps her family far away from everyone. From how I've read it, she keeps everyone divided.

TA had his own set of issues and that made the perfect store in this relationship.

 

[kaRN]

hope that I can say this the way that I am thinking it.....the secret....doesn't this have something to do with that new email, or text that we just saw in court on Thursday about JA kicking doors, holes in walls etc.....didn't the text say something about "now you know the secret" (sure would like to see it again, need to go watch) I am wondering if JA wasn't the pedo with the little boy that she watched, maybe she confessed to TA about it....HER DIRTY LITTLE SECRET was now out......am I making any sense here, or am I just rambling on?? I do that sometimes. JA always inserts lies into truths about her......anyone?

It does have something to do with that new email. Because of the timing of her move and that email I've wondered if she told TA she was pregnant and had an abortion. It was all I could think of that might invoke that response in TA but who knows??? The Hughes didn't want her near their boys nor did DB leave her alone with his son so you may be right.

 

[tater4332]

Isn't it common for first time murderers to hesitate when inflicting stab wounds? I did not see any mention of any shallow wounds on Travis' body which would not indicate hesitation on the part of Arias. All of the wounds she inflicted were done with great force and deliberation. It makes me wonder if this is the first time or if she has some experience in killing a living being. What do you all think?

 

[Maryann123]

New rules at Hoover Damn. Just wanted everone to be aware. That's my public service for the month.
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I doubt this will work, so you will need to go to page 68, post 1694, by Kattrca. It's a hoot!

 

[ElleElle]

:rocker: Post more lease:

Here's what happened to me.

My 70 year old mother and I were talking about the trial. She lives across the country for me; she says she loves ALV! I say WTF??? :floorlaugh:

I see discussion from time to time of how a juror's age or gender might affect his/her thinking about the some witnesses/the defendant. I am a male, mid 50's (old enough to be JA's or Dr.D;s father). I am well educated, but more importantly, I try to use common sense in my approach to life situations.

1) As for Dr. DeMarte, I find her much more honest and credible than the older, more experienced "experts" with their agendas. I have colleagues of all ages, and base my opinions based on how they do their job rather than their age. I watched almost every minute she was on the stand. Yes, she was assured, but not cocky IMO. She was steady, professional, and easy for me to follow. Even during the most excruciating moments of cross-examination, I was impressed by her demeanor. She presented concise information, gathered through established protocols, and without any of the hugger-muggery (I love that term!!) exhibited by certain other witnesses. There is no doubt in my mind as to which expert testimony receives the most weight in this case.

2) If I were a juror, I would not grant any leniency to any defendant based on age/gender/appearance. I do not care what disorders may or may not be present. As long as the defendant is not clinically insane or intellectually deficient (which JA is NOT) and thus knows the difference between right and wrong (which JA DOES), I could impartially evaluate guilt/innocence.

Granted, I would not have been a &#8220;pristine&#8221; juror from the start, because of family history with a person very similar to JA and some other disordered people in my life experience. Through those experiences I learned that I could drive myself nuts trying to make sense of their nonsense. I have tried to stay focused on the evidence; in doing so, I have disregarded probably 99% or more of the rubbish that spewed from JA&#8217;s mouth.

I seem to have written a mini-novel here, all to say that I hope and pray the jury applies common sense in reaching a verdict. I hope they keep focus on the evidence. All of this is my moderately old man's opinion. That would be IMMOMO... :floorlaugh: (That&#8217;s why I don&#8217;t post much, because I get wound up and can&#8217;t stop&#8230; sorry&#8230

 

[Sleuth5]

I find that part of the deeper elements of this trial interesting- I'm interested in hearing from people who really know the LofA weigh in (some of whom I really respect). I don't discount it but think its missing some impt elements- how does it work w a sociopath? I'm serious w this ? Believe it or not.

I'm fairly certain it has something to do with spanx, but don't quote me.

 

[Maryann123]

I don't know how to repost with a thumbnail. Can someone else bring post 1694 from page 68 over here?

 

[Dana]

:floorlaugh: I did say "moderately" old... Age is a state of mind (most days...)

While I'm on a roll here posting, I will say that I must either log out and lurk or constantly sit on my hands while most defense cross-exams are going on. I have never suffered fools well. My poor dogs may have PTSD after the trial is over from all my yelling at the computer - they already run and hide when I get out the toolbox to try to fix something around the house....

I truly appreciate the discussion on this site. I have been around since the FCA days, followed that one closely, and swore never again when it was over. Now, here I am...

Same here MrW! I swore that oath too and yet......again!

My animals are also suffering PTSD from my abuse with the TV.

 

[InALandFarFarAway]

I don't know how to repost with a thumbnail. Can someone else bring post 1694 from page 68 over here?

 

[AstroKitty]

...wait, that email from TA that was just quoted on here.. that was sent right before he was murdered? Was that the last communication? Sorry, I've missed a lot of that stuff and so I don't know the context of their emails.

 

[Maryann123]

Thank you guys! Hope Katie thinks it's as funny as I do

 

[Mrs G Norris]

I'm thinking of changing my name to 'OutOnALimb'...because here I go...

The other day we were all guessing about Miss JA's natural cycle.

Someone was posting the dates she has been out sick during this trial and how they correlated with this week when she was looking very peaked.

So extrapolating that further,

How would these dates relate to the date Travis was killed? Could she have been in a premenstrual rage?

Just thinking about how humiliating this party with the Christmas tree must have been, can you even IMAGINE showing up and announcing that you were his girlfriend and he tells you to leave and you sleep under the Christmas tree???

I don't know why I didn't think of this before but this DT would have been FAR better off going with THIS diagnosis.

Premenstrual dysphoric disorder

You combine THIS with BPD? You have one dangerous, volatile person. This I can actually believe.

I want justice for Travis and I want to support him. None of us are perfect and some of his behavior was certainly less than nice.

He was teasing a crocodile while swimming.

There were so many better options the DT could have used in this case which didn't include accusing the victim of being a pedophile that I cannot even believe it!

And yes, Christmas Tree humiliation, it's like she saw the boiled bunny running down the rabbit hole and she just couldn't stop chasing it .. I think moving to Mesa is equally humiliating, as was being found hiding in a closet, sleeping on a Lovesac while he was on a date with another woman, peeking in the windows .. oh it just goes on and on and on .. the shame!

There's got to be an argument the DT should have embraced and used, BPD since it would have been agreed to by the prosecution would have been a good start. Do a little brain chemistry analysis on Jodi and explain her disturbances with evidence of the truth, but of course these things may be saved for the penalty phase, I hope the DT does use them .. let's have the discussion in open court about what was REALLY going on leading up to June 4th.