weekend discussion: discuss the trial here #155

[aa9511]

I think Jodi is going to be ok with whatever sentence she gets. If LWOP she will be able to have interaction with other inmates (manipulate them), the food in prison will likely be better tan Sheriff Joe's soy slop and peanut butter and oranges.

If Death, I think it'll be harder since she will be in a cell 23 hours a day. No chance to con others inside the jail. But she will focus on conning people outside the jail. She will comfort herself with her belief that her execution will ensure she is famous forever. :banghead:


This should be enough caramel pecan pie for breakfast


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I think since Jodi's such a social person, she will thrive in regular jail, as others have said. She needs confinement. That's the ONLY way she'll get punished, that and the needle.

 

[SyraKelly]

Eh, real life intrudes. Talk to you peeps later.

what are you refering to here..Chris Hughes Twitter?

 

[Mellinyce]

I keep getting this "feeling" that Jodie has murdered before? Wonder if any unsolved crimes or cold cases they may have tried to connect her to? For sure when she was arrested I think she was on her way to murder again. But who?? MM?? Just my thoughts:facepalm:

MM or MH or anyone other than HERSELF like she stated. What exactly was she gonna do with a knife AND a gun if she was gonna off herself? Did she think she could shoot herself and slit her own throat/stab herself in the heart as she did to Travis? She was gonna go tie up loose ends. She got a REAL taste for blood when she slaughtered Travis. This was no defenseless puppy or cat. She was out for blood! Whose? We will never know...Thank God!!

 

[SyraKelly]

I am a little confused on the twitter posting.Are we allowed to post CH tweets here?TIA

 

[kayice]

DB stated that Jodi started to act strange or unravel when she started going to PPL, I think she was trolling for men, way before that. ..looking to replace Darryl and her responsibilities. Could it be, from looking at past BFs, that Jodi meets Travis and he looks like the answer to her gold-digging dreams. But, Travis being a Mormon doesn't do drugs, smoke, drink or even do coffee... sex--Jodi helped that one along. Could Jodi started unraveling so much beyond her disorders is because she attempted to stop doing drugs? From MM getting duped into forging pedophile letters based on the words of Arias, is not a clear thinker. Darryl is hiding something by not showing his face, she comes up with this money along the route after she moved back to CA, for the murder--a part-time waitress? Did she get off and on, never off drugs? Moving out at 17, why didn't she go to the Aunt's house if she had such a problem with her parents? And if she was doing anal sex at 15, she was giving her parents head/heartaches waayy before then. Jodi was a wild girl who wanted to sleep around, do drugs and drink. Her friend that phones in on NG never seems sober either.

 

[tss]

Day 10 (full) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soNJs_9FCPY
ETA: If you want to avoid seeing Gus Searcy again, DB starts at about 57:00


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"""""""I just cannot find Darryl Brewer's testimony."""""""""""""""""""

Because I started watching this trial so late, missing months, I began to do some research. I'm astounded at how much I didn't know, how much seems very important, yet I haven't heard about it.
I see Brewer as a guy who was likely used and doesn't want to admit, even to himself, that he became a combo "SugarDaddy"/Stepping Stone [ note that after the boob job $$$$, she moved on but kept him on her charm bracelet. He was her boss, wealthy to a degree, about 20 years older than her, spent 4 years with her, taking her out of a tent type housing, anal intercourse a common part of their sex, called her aggressive sexually, liked taking photos of him while he slept or showered w/o him knowing, and there is something regarding a Remote Control, that I found a Thread on, that people believe is the Remote that goes with the DVD supposedly stolen with the gun, from JA's grandparents home. And Searcy, a lot going on there I had no idea about....so much I didn't know
Oh yeah, after her parents found the pot plants when JA was 14, and despite her actions and concern expressed by her friends, they let her go to live with a family w/ an 18 year old boy/guy in Costa Rica as a Summer excchange. I'll paste a bit, but you would need to google items like JA, DB and Remote to get to a FB page


On Jan. 29, 2013, Darryl Brewer, an older ex-boyfriend of Jodi Arias, testified for the defense at her murder trial regarding a number of topics, including her plastic surgery and her sexual tendencies. He also told the jury she enjoyed snapping nude photos of him without his knowledge as he slept and showered.

Arias is on trial for the murder of Mesa, Ariz. man Travis Alexander, her former lover.

View slideshow: Nude Photos of Jodi Arias and Travis Alexander, Believed to Have been Taken the Same Day he was Murdered

The Huffington Post reports that Brewer, now 52, met 22 year old Arias in 2001 when he was around 40.

According to Radar Online, Brewer, a single father, told the jury he was Arias' boss when she was a waitress at a California resort, but did not date her until he was no longer her supervisor. He said they eventually fell in love and he found her to be a caring, responsible woman.
The two dated for four years and Brewer stated during that time he never saw Arias act jealous or violent.

Brewer testified that Arias obtained breast implants in 2005, around the time they purchased a home together in Palm Desert, Calif., reports the Post.

The two engaged in anal sex while dating, but in 2006 their sexual interaction stopped because she “was saving herself for marriage,” Brewer told the courtroom.

 

[Madeleine74]

JA doesn't scare me. And she'll never be free.

After reading for years about killers like the Manson family, the Hillside Stranglers, the Railroad serial killer, among others, Arias is small insignificant potatoes on the killer continuum.

JA was the type of killer who didn't kill random people for entertainment--she is/was a revenge killer--meaning she had an intimate relationship with the one person she murdered and the reason she killed was to seek revenge against that person. And fortunately she got caught right away. She's kind of like murderer Melanie Maguire. Maguire killed her (estranged) husband and disposed of his body in 2 or 3 suitcases. She is spending life in prison.

No, there have been no other murders tied to JA and with the type of sophisticated methods LE has to work with, if she had been involved in some other killing, it would have been discovered long ago. This is her first and, I predict, her last murder. I don't even think anyone in prison will be in grave danger from her. JA may be sneaky and clever but prison is full of sneaky and clever people who aren't all that clever, as they usually get found out.

Neither is JA a serial killer. Serial killers target somewhat randomly based on patterns that attract them, be it geographical, type of victim, or some other trigger. Serial killers by and large aren't "revenge" killers.

In the end JA is just a 20-something yr old loser (at the time of the crime) who couldn't handle rejection and went after the one who rejected her. Not all that unusual in the scheme of murders. What makes this unusual is the amount of publicity, the amount of sex, and the bundling of a religion to form a trifecta to sell it to the masses.

 

[EquallyDivided]

What's true? If your talking about the gun, no one knows for certain. I am researching right now, looking into any possible news reports of a gun being found in that area. I am looking at the local towns near the Hoover Dam and seeing if there is any news article in papers about it as well. No point in contacting law there, they won't tell you anything anyway. Ill post if I find anything that is useful.

IIRC, the poster stated that they found the gun a year ago, and was just now turning over to LE.

Who the heck finds a gun wrapped in toilet paper in the desert, after chasing a $20 bill, and doesn't think "huh, I should immediately turn this in to police, finding a gun wrapped in toilet paper is surely a normal thing and not suspicious at all!".

 

[aa9511]

BBM

Odd; I've viewed the bridesmaid video many times and found her to be relaxed, calm and happy.

Additionally, my DH of almost 30 years had hair to his waist, still has huge muscles; especially his arms and thighs. He looks like a tough guy but does not pretend to be anything other than what he truly is: An excellent nurturing, sweet, patient and loving parent and husband.

Something indeed happened in that household, but I believe it was a reaction (healthy or unhealthy) to her budding and then blooming BPD. Unless someone with credibility comes up with hard evidence regarding abuse of any kind: sexual, emotional, physical as evidence in this trial I will continue to believe that her upbringing may have been a dysfunctional.

I respectfully disagree...I think she was just born psycho. From all accounts it seems like the parents didn't know what to do, but I don't think the parent's actions or the household dynamics shaped her...I think as I said that she was just born like that. It was up to the family to learn how to deal with it, and obviously they didn't really know how to deal with her. That's very different than saying she became like this from things happening in her home.

 

[SCSam]

I thought he represented the perps.

You're correct - he defends those so accused. Check the verbiage on his web site. Notice the NAME of his site.

http://maricopasexcrimes.com/

 

[aa9511]

JA doesn't scare me. And she'll never be free.

After reading for years about killers like the Manson family, the Hillside Stranglers, the Railroad serial killer, among others, Arias is small insignificant potatoes on the killer continuum.

JA was the type of killer who didn't kill random people for entertainment--she is/was a revenge killer--meaning she had an intimate relationship with the one person she murdered and the reason she killed was to seek revenge against that person. And fortunately she got caught right away. She's kind of like murderer Melanie Maguire. Maguire killed her (estranged) husband and disposed of his body in 2 or 3 suitcases. She is spending life in prison.

No, there have been no other murders tied to JA and with the type of sophisticated methods LE has to work with, if she had been involved in some other killing, it would have been discovered long ago. This is her first and, I predict, her last murder. I don't even think anyone in prison will be in grave danger from her. JA may be sneaky and clever but prison is full of sneaky and clever people who aren't all that clever, as they usually get found out.

Neither is JA a serial killer. Serial killers target somewhat randomly based on patterns that attract them, be it geographical, type of victim, or some other trigger. Serial killers by and large aren't "revenge" killers.

In the end JA is just a 20-something yr old loser (at the time of the crime) who couldn't handle rejection and went after the one who rejected her. Not all that unusual in the scheme of murders. What makes this unusual is the amount of publicity, the amount of sex, and the bundling of a religion to form a trifecta to sell it to the masses.

I have been hearing about a lot of murderers who have done awful things and gotten life in prison. I would like some insight as to whether people think Jodi will actually get the death penalty? I have an awful feeling that the jury will have in their minds that this was her only killing and she doesn't seem likie the "professional" type-killer, and so give her life in prison instead of death? What are your thoughts on this?

 

[Spellbound]

Spellbound...I feel your pain....I am having a big time relaspe of CFS at the present and can barely walk I hurt so bad....Sometimes I sleep most of day away and other times I can't sleep for hours.....What do you do to try to manage yours???? I cannot stand not to be as active as I can when I am feeling better. Ty and hang in there gal:rocker::rocker:

Thanks! Been having a pretty rough time here, too. I will try to private-message you soon (or feel free to email/PM me any time!)

:countsheep: I do this a lot!

 

[ILikeToBendPages]

morning y'all from the Lone Star State

Bob Wills - Lone Star Rag - YouTube

I have something Jodi will never have, and that's to be free to do what I want, when I want, and where I want. I can cook or do Chinese, or go out for dinner and choose what I want to eat, and get seconds if I want. Jodi will never have these things, or be able to chose where she lives

I don't have to ask or wait to wash my hair, and I can take a nice long soak in bubble bath, slip into something nice and crawl into bed on fresh clean sheets in a nice sized bed. I can sleep as long as I want to and chose what I want to wear when I get up. Jodi will never have these freedom again.

 

[katiecoolady]

Dutch Brothers and 5 grocery bags later, I'm back. What did I miss? :facepalm:

Anyway, was catching up on a little Nancy Grace and it's all about Alyce Laviolette and I wanted to re-read a story and found this

And on a day when she and Martinez bickered over the meaning of stalking, someone had obviously followed her to dinner and later posted photos of her dining with Arias's defense attorney Jennifer Willmott and one of her legal staff. The posted photo was accompanied by comments implying that somehow, defense attorneys are not allowed to communicate with the experts they hire.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/04/11/jodi-arias-trial/2073067/

To which I say, how ironic that she testifies about how people who are stalked always report and their behavior always indicates fear yet she waltzes with her attorneys in to one of the most frequented fast food Chinese food establishments in the Phoenix area (a big popular chain) and according to the photo taker who happened, God forbid, to recognize them (I mean how would anyone ever know who they were, ALV, Willmott and DeLarosa at this time? shocking!) and HEARD them openly discussing the defense strategy in earshot of her. May I also add that this restaurant is really known for TAKE OUT? And WIllmott and DeLaRosa LIVE HERE? No one "followed" them there. Someone was sitting there quietly eating her own dinner and there they were, inappropriate discussing the defense case out in the public arena in a place where tables are very close together. I don't think a retraction for this inaccuracy was ever reported although the photo taker made it very clear how this went down.

May I also continue to add that two days after this article was published about her "victimhood" and an "ER" visit over this and picked up by USA Today, this same trio waltzed in to the Palomar Hotel to dine in their (kinda sucky in terms of food) restaurant which is the ONE hotel in the entire Phoenix area she'd be most likely to be photographed or approached. Where the vast majority of out of town media stay.

Yet this reporter claims she's been victimized and "attacked" by social media.

I had a feeling she'd start spin doctoring but not while she was on the stand and not stupidly to have her friend speak to a local reporter who also, foolishly, reported on it, DURING her testimony.

The hypocrisy still is....beyond description. :waitasec:

 

[cubbeegirl]

JA doesn't scare me. And she'll never be free.

After reading for years about killers like the Manson family, the Hillside Stranglers, the Railroad serial killer, among others, Arias is small insignificant potatoes on the killer continuum.

JA was the type of killer who didn't kill random people for entertainment--she is/was a revenge killer--meaning she had an intimate relationship with the one person she murdered and the reason she killed was to seek revenge against that person. And fortunately she got caught right away. She's kind of like murderer Melanie Maguire. Maguire killed her (estranged) husband and disposed of his body in 2 or 3 suitcases. She is spending life in prison.

No, there have been no other murders tied to JA and with the type of sophisticated methods LE has to work with, if she had been involved in some other killing, it would have been discovered long ago. This is her first and, I predict, her last murder. I don't even think anyone in prison will be in grave danger from her. JA may be sneaky and clever but prison is full of sneaky and clever people who aren't all that clever, as they usually get found out.

Neither is JA a serial killer. Serial killers target somewhat randomly based on patterns that attract them, be it geographical, type of victim, or some other trigger. Serial killers by and large aren't "revenge" killers.

In the end JA is just a 20-something yr old loser (at the time of the crime) who couldn't handle rejection and went after the one who rejected her. Not all that unusual in the scheme of murders. What makes this unusual is the amount of publicity, the amount of sex, and the bundling of a religion to form a trifecta to sell it to the masses.

I respectfully have to disagree that if JA had killed before it would have been discovered long ago. The slime who murdered our loved one had commited a murder 12 or so yrs before he killed her and was never caught. He was only caught after he was already in prison serving time for her murder. I have never posted a link on here before so I hope I get it right....

http://www.wafb.com/global/story.asp?s=12052638

 

[polleypockets]

WildAboutTrial ‏@WildAboutTrial 47m

Wild just broke his ankle. Headed to emergency room

 

[cubbeegirl]

WildAboutTrial ‏@WildAboutTrial 47m

Wild just broke his ankle. Headed to emergency room

Oh no !!!!!!!! I am so sorry to hear this !!!

 

[Hat]

Finally, a question for which I am uniquely qualifed as an expert witness, holding a PhD in Medieval European studies.

No.

How about the Papal Inquisition, Spanish Inquisition, etc. Witchcraft accusations and heresy denouncements had crossover to behavior based diagnoses. Accounts suggest psychological conditions would be classified as heresy and witchcraft. Covered a wide range of behaviors.

So I would say yes, although individual Offices of the Inquisition may have kept their own lists or descriptions and not have distributed them to other offices.

You may be qualified, but not uniquely so. You may reference:

Philip Daileader, chairman dept. of History at The College of William and Mary in Virginia. He received his B.A. (1990) in history from Johns Hopkins University and earned his M.A. (1991) and Ph.D. (1996) in history from Harvard University. Four time winner: "Harvard University Certificate of Distinction in Teaching".

Easy get here is TTC the Great Courses video (or audio) lecture series by above author: "The Late Middle Ages" Lectures 13 & 21.

 

[gauntlet]

HWild's hurt himself! Hey - he likes the hwild

WildAboutTrial ‏@WildAboutTrial 11s

Not letting a broken ankle stop me from live tweeting from the courtroom. hWild wont let that happen. #JodiArias

I guess Wild will be reclinated for the rest of the day. Ankle looks like Nurmi.

Wild just broke his ankle. Headed to emergency room


ETA - I'm wrong. HWIld used HWild before.

 

[Mellinyce]

JA doesn't scare me. And she'll never be free.

After reading for years about killers like the Manson family, the Hillside Stranglers, the Railroad serial killer, among others, Arias is small insignificant potatoes on the killer continuum.

JA was the type of killer who didn't kill random people for entertainment--she is/was a revenge killer--meaning she had an intimate relationship with the one person she murdered and the reason she killed was to seek revenge against that person. And fortunately she got caught right away. She's kind of like murderer Melanie Maguire. Maguire killed her (estranged) husband and disposed of his body in 2 or 3 suitcases. She is spending life in prison.

No, there have been no other murders tied to JA and with the type of sophisticated methods LE has to work with, if she had been involved in some other killing, it would have been discovered long ago. This is her first and, I predict, her last murder. I don't even think anyone in prison will be in grave danger from her. JA may be sneaky and clever but prison is full of sneaky and clever people who aren't all that clever, as they usually get found out.

Neither is JA a serial killer. Serial killers target somewhat randomly based on patterns that attract them, be it geographical, type of victim, or some other trigger. Serial killers by and large aren't "revenge" killers.

In the end JA is just a 20-something yr old loser (at the time of the crime) who couldn't handle rejection and went after the one who rejected her. Not all that unusual in the scheme of murders. What makes this unusual is the amount of publicity, the amount of sex, and the bundling of a religion to form a trifecta to sell it to the masses.

So you don't think she would have killed again if she had not been caught? What do you think she was gonna do with knives and a gun she was caught with that day? Just curious to know what you think =D