Weekend Discussion Thread 04/27-30/2012

[robynhood]

Regarding the authenticity of signatures on the Tori's Law petition, it is possible for anyone to create false information on the internet. Any IP address, which may be recorded in order to prevent someone from signing twice, can be roundabout managed with ease by going through a proxy server or by signing from several different locations (eg: work, home, library). There is nothing to prevent people from anywhere in the world from pretending to be Canadian and signing the petition. If it were so easy to regulate online signatures, national voting would have an online component ... but it doesn't because there are no safeguards that can be put in place to ensure authenticity of the results. The Prime Minister has voiced his opinion of online polls in relation to the Northern Pipeline, and he is not going to modify that opinion for this proposed change to Canadian law.

....I am not going to debate authincity of Online Voting for PETITIONS ....You are missing my POINT....I am saying a HORRIBLE TRAGEDY HAS OCCURRED in OUR BEAUTIFUL Province of Ontario>>>>POOR TORI ..I want to see her RIP! ...now Ont. used to be a palace that used to be EXTREMELY SAFE FOR OUR CHILDREN ...I remeber it well...Yes IT HAS CHANGED WORLD WIDE!!!!....Crime among OUR YOUTHS has esculated ...as our population has ...way too many CRIMES among our YOUTH ...I see a HUGE Problem in the way TLM was not dealt with ...she was a time bomb ready to exploded at any time! .....

and MR behaviour after he did the " dirty deed IMO was NOT the way a poor DUPED ...who was tramatized by a MURDER !...I just cannot buy this at all ....NOT for one sec....

I feel we as a NATION need to PAY CLOSE ATTENTION TO WHAT has occured here ....it just made me think HARD after I watched Rodney explain that he too NEVER PAID TOO CLOSE ATTENTION also to child abuction or murders ....until it hit his household ...I NEVER EVER thought I would beleive in capital Punishment either ....but this only applies to a crime when there is no DOUBT OF A CONVICTION...Yes we must wait and listen carefully next to the defense here ...as everyone is inncident and derserves their LEGAL RIGHTS IN COURT.....I shall most definitely be in London court especially IF MR....is going to take the stand ....somehow I too am VERY DOUBTFUL this shall occurr....WE SHALL ALL SEE TOMORROW ,....how they plan on PROCEEDING the defense ....again time shall tell....IMO again for whatever that is WORTH....robynhood ...so darn nervous...1 more sleep ...the end !

 

[crazyladi]

My ex's mother would bail her son all the time no matter the crime of the offence. She never taught him to own up to responsibility and it is why he still does drugs, abuses women and is in and out of jail. We really dont know if that was the case with MTR. She could have obstructed justice a couple of times for various reasons in order to protect her son. JMO

 

[Macright]

How many times have police pulled people over or have pulled up their supposed name in the police car only to find out there is no record. People lie and it depends on the offence, some police let people go without arresting them.

All in all I dont think it matters if he has a record at all. You could be someone with a record a mile long but never kill someone or you could be like PB no record and kill 3 people..... JMO

I agree but you did mention "Crimes" not being pulled over by a cop and a check run on plates etc. that is why I mentioned fingerprinting...not for a routine check by cops but for committing a crime...big difference IMO...

 

[crazyladi]

maybe if a certain journalist (and I used that loosely) decides to write her take on this...I understand the publication ban in force now but at the start when all of this was transpiring we read a lot about TLM..but nothing about MR... I remember at the time when TLM was taking her daily airings in the chopper that TM at her daily news conference mentioned that TLM was only taking advantage of the nice weather and the chopper rides and maybe a MacDonalds thrown in on the side...it seems she did not believe TLM at that time....JMO

Well I don't read her columns so I wouldn't know. Do you believe that she was out taking advantage of the nice weather and chopper rides or do you think she truly wanted them to find the body?

 

[crazyladi]

I agree but you did mention "Crimes" not being pulled over by a cop and a check run on plates etc. that is why I mentioned fingerprinting...not for a routine check by cops but for committing a crime...big difference IMO...

Maybe he was just never caught or maybe everything he wanted to do was coming to a head when he met TLM. Maybe it was time, he had someone he could confide in with his dark secrets and what he wanted to do and she was more than willing to comply. All it took was one person with the same mind frame and voila, we have his first crime.

 

[Macright]

Well I don't read her columns so I wouldn't know. Do you believe that she was out taking advantage of the nice weather and chopper rides or do you think she truly wanted them to find the body?

I will be honest with you...I go with TM feeling on this at the time and still do...remember at that time TLM thought she had the LE by the "b*l*s ...JMO and she was in command.....

 

[otto]

I think and this is only my opinion, that MTR's secretiveness (some of his female friends spoke of this) is one characteristic of a psychopath.

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But these two acted together. JMO

I would put MR in the category of antisocial personality disorder. Given that the day after he participated in the violent abduction, sexual assault and murder of a young girl he was bed hopping with yet more women, he seems to completely lack empathy and an appreciation for the horror that he visit on others.

I don't believe that people are born sociopathic, or with antisocial personality disorder. I think it comes from an absence of bonding in the formative years (ages 0 - 6). I looked into this theory more extensively in the Casey Anthony case. I noticed a kind of vacancy in the child's eyes and a disconnect between the mother and infant/toddler. I think the same thing also happened with Scott Peterson. I think that these children were born normal and that, as young infants and toddlers, they did what normal children do to interact with their mothers (the centre of a child's universe). I think the mothers did not respond normally to the children. For example, a child cries when unhappy and smiles when happy. If that child's crying or smiling is continuously ignored, the child learns that his/her feelings to not elicit a normal, compassionate response; their feelings do not matter ... the child learns to suppress those emotions as a means to protect the self because there is no outward relief for them. That's a really short synopsis of what I think, but the bottom line is that I think children are born normally and that severe phychological neglect in the formative years results in those children suppressing normal emotional reactions until they more or less no longer exist.

MR did not have a normal reaction to the suffering he caused a young child, her family, or her friends. After the crimes, his only objective was to get high, hook up and cover his tracks. I think his interest in the case was related to two things: making sure that police weren't on his tail, and curiously observing emotional pain in others.

One question I have about MR is whether he also adapted his habits to reflect others. That is, if he dated a vegetarian, was he suddenly a vegetarian? If he dated a religious person, was he suddenly religious?

 

[Macright]

Maybe he was just never caught or maybe everything he wanted to do was coming to a head when he met TLM. Maybe it was time, he had someone he could confide in with his dark secrets and what he wanted to do and she was more than willing to comply. All it took was one person with the same mind frame and voila, we have his first crime.

I don't think this was the first time MR committed an offence..the drug thingie is a big one IMO...but I don't think he committed a murder or a rape etc. and I still don't...

 

[otto]

BBM

It is actually not up to his lawyer. MR has the final say on whether or not he will take the stand, his lawyer can advise against him taking the stand, though if MR wants to take the stand, there is nothing Derstine can do to stop it.

True ... it's up to MR whether he listens to the advice of his lawyer.

 

[crazyladi]

I don't think this was the first time MR committed an offence..the drug thingie is a big one IMO...but I don't think he committed a murder etc. and I still don't...

Okay lets try this again. Voila now he was finally caught and arrested for his first real crime.

 

[crazyladi]

I will be honest with you...I go with TM feeling on this at the time and still do...remember at that time TLM thought she had the LE by the "b*l*s ...JMO and she was in command.....

TM as in Tara? Sorry some people refer to TLM as TM I just want to make sure I know what you mean.

 

[Macright]

Okay lets try this again. Voila now he was finally caught and arrested for his first real crime.

arrested..yes...first "real crime"..well it depends on what the crime is...murder and rape...no way....being an accessory to a crime...by all means...JMO

 

[Macright]

TM as in Tara? Sorry some people refer to TLM as TM I just want to make sure I know what you mean.

yes TM as in TS's mother....I don't think TLM was giving daily news updates at 1PM....

 

[crazyladi]

arrested..yes...first "real crime"..well it depends on what the crime is...murder and rape...no way....being an accessory to a crime...by all means...JMO

So what your saying is he wasnt responsible for the abduction, didnt rape Tori and didnt killer her and was just an accessory after the fact?

 

[otto]

....I am not going to debate authincity of Online Voting for PETITIONS ....You are missing my POINT....I am saying a HORRIBLE TRAGEDY HAS OCCURRED in OUR BEAUTIFUL Province of Ontario>>>>POOR TORI ..I want to see her RIP! ...now Ont. used to be a palace that used to be EXTREMELY SAFE FOR OUR CHILDREN ...I remeber it well...Yes IT HAS CHANGED WORLD WIDE!!!!....Crime among OUR YOUTHS has esculated ...as our population has ...way too many CRIMES among our YOUTH ...I see a HUGE Problem in the way TLM was not dealt with ...she was a time bomb ready to exploded at any time! .....

and MR behaviour after he did the " dirty deed IMO was NOT the way a poor DUPED ...who was tramatized by a MURDER !...I just cannot buy this at all ....NOT for one sec....

I feel we as a NATION need to PAY CLOSE ATTENTION TO WHAT has occured here ....it just made me think HARD after I watched Rodney explain that he too NEVER PAID TOO CLOSE ATTENTION also to child abuction or murders ....until it hit his household ...I NEVER EVER thought I would beleive in capital Punishment either ....but this only applies to a crime when there is no DOUBT OF A CONVICTION...Yes we must wait and listen carefully next to the defense here ...as everyone is inncident and derserves their LEGAL RIGHTS IN COURT.....I shall most definitely be in London court especially IF MR....is going to take the stand ....somehow I too am VERY DOUBTFUL this shall occurr....WE SHALL ALL SEE TOMORROW ,....how they plan on PROCEEDING the defense ....again time shall tell....IMO again for whatever that is WORTH....robynhood ...so darn nervous...1 more sleep ...the end !

Each horrifying act results in those closest to the tragedy wanting to see laws changed. The Latimer case saw people wanting to see euthanasia and "compassionate homicide" as a legal option for extreme illness. The Homolka/Bernardo case probably led to some wanting to see capital punishment reinstated. When there are horrible traffic accidents on the same stretch of highway, people close to the victims want to see the road re-designed. Those most deeply impacted by tragedy want to see change such that there is a different result in the future.

Capital punishment is not a deterrent and Canadian law is not exclusively based on penal law, so implementing capital punishment would do nothing to change the results when another young girl is abducted, assaulted and murdered. Personally, I like the idea of monsters like Russell Williams, Paul Bernardo, Clifford Olsen and perhaps, one day soon, MR, sitting in a concrete broom closet with nothing to do until they drop dead of old age.

 

[crazyladi]

yes TM as in TS's mother....I don't think TLM was giving daily news updates at 1PM....

Sorry I just wanted to make sure I heard you correctly because you said that you didnt agree with what the "journalist" was writing about but you did agree that she was on a joy ride just like the journalist said.

 

[Macright]

So what your saying is he wasnt responsible for the abduction, didnt rape Tori and didnt killer her and was just an accessory after the fact?

I think if you have read any of my posts you will find that is how I perceive this...JMO have seen nothing so far in the trial that changes my gut feelings...I know I am just an "armchair detective" and my stance on this means nothing in the court of law...JMO but as I have also stated...if the jury finds him guilty of ALL charges then I will accept their decision...I have nothing to gain or lose in this...

 

[crazyladi]

I think if you have read any of my posts you will find that is how I perceive this...JMO have seen nothing so far in the trial that changes my gut feelings...I know I am just an "armchair detective" and my stance on this means nothing in the court of law...JMO but as I have also stated...if the jury finds him guilty of ALL charges then I will accept their decision...I have nothing to gain or lose in this...

All good I just wanted to be clear as all the posts I have read it wasnt clear. Thanks now I know.

 

[snoofer]

I think we agree...
TLM had planned to take someone's life, chances were that it would have been someone weaker then her ... She may not have thought VS was going to die but sub-Consciencely I believe she did... What could TLM believe was going to happen?

Would TLM have planned a kidnapping, murder, rape without MTR knowledge ...and what...used him for his car???? Why not plan a murder not include him and do it on foot? Or why not with a gang member with a car. Does it really make sense that she had to bum a drive so she could commit a murder, rape, kidnapping. OR...does it makes sense they both knew and planned the kidnapping and the rest followed. MOO

THIS would be one for the murder history books I think. Kidnapper, murder, rapist lady bums a drive to the murder scene with the victim...unbeknownst to the innocent driver. MOO

So the ticker headline would read:

KIDNAPPER/RAPIST/MURDERER BUMS A DRIVE WITH VICTIM FROM UNSUSPECTING FRIEND TO THE MURDER SCENE-FRIEND IN SHOCK BUT STILL ABLE TO SPEED DATE

 

[Macright]

Sorry I just wanted to make sure I heard you correctly because you said that you didnt agree with what the "journalist" was writing about but you did agree that she was on a joy ride just like the journalist said.

I didn't say I didn't agree with what the journalist was writing about...I just threw that in because we have no concrete info on MR before all of this and someone mentioned a publication ban in place, which I can understand..I just said that "someone" may be at this moment writing a book about all of this and we may know something about his previous life when the book is published...it could be anyone of those reporters...one was already being written (by a crime reporter) while the case of RW was still going on so nothing surprises me how people will do anything to make $$$ off of someone's tragedy... JMO