WESH: Duct Tape Info in the Document Release

[FaerieB]

So what did LP say, and when did he say it? TIA

On 02/11 he said that he'd heard from a source that the duct tape had KC's fingerprints on it.

 

[FaerieB]

Yes, or Caylee lip, skin prints is what they are talking about vs finger prints. ugh.

As horrible a thought as this is, I think it's a given. The tape was over the mouth area of the skull, so one would assume her lip prints are on it. The question is whether or not the prints show any sign of a struggle to get them off. *shudder* It is SO sad that I just typed that.

 

[Jubilee]

Don't know it if has been discussed, but what if Casey truly has more than one personality and she can reveal them to anyone out of fear?

Do you mean "she can't reveal them to anyone out of fear?

I think there would be no history to support "multiple personality disorder". i.e., no reported history of blackouts; fugue states; memory lapses; observations of very different personalities ...

Jesse might have been trying to establish that w/his talk of KC being a "completely different person", but my guess would be that the reason he kept saying that was to protect people's opinion of him.

Who WOULD want to publicly admit that the person you loved, turned out to be someone very different? It leads to ... you have bad judgment.

In more normal situations, I have advised parents not to approach their children (regardless of age) with "I always knew (s)he was a creep!" "Everyone has always disliked her/him", etc. Because, that may sound supportive, but it actually is just the opposite. What your child/friend will hear is, "WE always knew (s)he was ... and YOU chose badly/were too stupid not to know, we always did/YOU make bad choices ... etc.

Tearing down someone's judgment (no matter how clueless, i.e. Jesse ad family) doesn't usually help them move on as quickly as just saying, "it would have been almost impossible to detect that level of ... dysfunction ... those characteristics, etc." "We support you in your new thoughts of what might have been hidden from you."

Obviously, JMO

 

[yanknrebel]

My brother and his wife have been trying to adopt for almost a year, and we have talked about how badly they want a child and, just as you say, why kill her, why not give her to people would treasure her?! The question is really rhetorical.

KC is SELFISH. SHe didn't want Caylee but sure did not want her mom or ANYONE else have her. My husband and I tried for 10 years along with private adoptions, ivf, a miscarriage and 2 ectopics BEFORE we fianlly got into foster and foster to adopt. We were blessed with a new born infant, who we adopted at 34 months and is now 7. Also with a set of boy/girl twins at age 5 months , who will be turning 5 on the 24th. Tell them to keep praying and never give up. It WILL happen.

 

[Mustang Sally]

CMA your goose is cooked! JB hospitalized with stomach problems! Don't feel bad Jose, she makes me sick to my stomach too.

I wonder if "Poor Little JoseB" has been eating "Peanut Butter Products" and they made him sick??

If so, maybe that will be an idea for his "next big case!!!!"

Can't wait until Wednesday......Doc. Dump Day!!!

 

[starpatch]

OMG! She makes me sick to my stomach as well! Such an evil, evil *@$%^!%$!!! She's a real piece of work, that's for sure.
Wonder how George and Cindy are feeling right now.

well, remember when ca said "science is just science"

Wonder if she will deny this science.

SA should put the DP back on the table.

 

[Jubilee]

jubilee, I'll be adding some prayers to their chances too!
Keep us posted on the process.
azwriter

AZ Writer, thank you so much! And I Will let y'all know as soon as we hear.

 

[FaerieB]

Wouldn't be the first time. Lizzie Borden comes to mind. There are other indications such as telling Amy that Cindy was going to "give" the house to her. Then there was a rumor that she was going to get $15,000 from an insurance policy. Makes you go ... "Hummm."

As horrible as it sounds, I could envisage doing away with (sorry just can't say "killing") my parents LONG before I could imagine hurting one of my children.

 

[Themis]

Do you mean "she can't reveal them to anyone out of fear?

I think there would be no history to support "multiple personality disorder". i.e., no reported history of blackouts; fugue states; memory lapses; observations of very different personalities ...

Jesse might have been trying to establish that w/his talk of KC being a "completely different person", but my guess would be that the reason he kept saying that was to protect people's opinion of him.

Who WOULD want to publicly admit that the person you loved, turned out to be someone very different? It leads to ... you have bad judgment.

In more normal situations, I have advised parents not to approach their children (regardless of age) with "I always knew (s)he was a creep!" "Everyone has always disliked her/him", etc. Because, that may sound supportive, but it actually is just the opposite. What your child/friend will hear is, "WE always knew (s)he was ... and YOU chose badly/were too stupid not to know, we always did/YOU make bad choices ... etc.

Tearing down someone's judgment (no matter how clueless, i.e. Jesse ad family) doesn't usually help them move on as quickly as just saying, "it would have been almost impossible to detect that level of ... dysfunction ... those characteristics, etc." "We support you in your new thoughts of what might have been hidden from you."

Obviously, JMO

Very true. I would also like to add a thought. Suspects, defendants and convicted criminals are also not generally so shallow and one-sided. Often they can be intelligent, charming, thoughtful people who are capable of doing many good things. They love and are loved. They have been good citizen members of the community. A criminal act does not reveal that the person was always bad or all bad. The particular criminal act was bad and they are being called to account for it to society. However, like other individuals, they are multi-faceted.

 

[Jubilee]

What is particular bad news for the defense. There is video of Dr. Baden, the husband of LB on KC's "dream team", on GVS giving a quite detailed report, complete with demonstrations, on just how wonderful duct tape is to a forensic investigation, how impossible it is to not leave meaningful evidence on its surface, and how damning it is for a defendant when duct tape is found related to a crime.

How can you defend against a piece of evidence, when all the prosecutor has to do is pop in a video of your husband clearly declarring that fingerprints on the glue side of duct tape would be unquestionable conclusive evidence of who comitted the crime?

Excellent point, Fae!

 

[my_tee_mouse]

I very much doubt that with evidence like this the prosecution is going to approach the defense for a plea deal. The offer would have to come from the defense. The problem is KC believes her own propaganda. She won't plea because she no longer believes the truth of what happened; she believes her own story and will willingly blame her attorney if she is wrong. That has been her pattern and has become her reality.
These docs were released to defense. JB then had to enter the hospital. No matter how hard he leans on this client; because of her dysfunctional thought process, he will never get her to agree to a plea deal. That step must come before he enters into any discussions of a plea deal with the prosecution.

IMHO, this case is going to trial no matter how much is at stake. Prosecution knows that too and they are spending their time prepping for trial.

Catching up here. I soooo agree with this post.

 

[pinkfly]

Local 6 is saying that no fingerprints were found on duct tape

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18728295/detail.html#-

 

[Bittiness39]

Very true. I would also like to add a thought. Suspects, defendants and convicted criminals are also not generally so shallow and one-sided. Often they can be intelligent, charming, thoughtful people who are capable of doing many good things. They love and are loved. They have been good citizen members of the community. A criminal act does not reveal that the person was always bad or all bad. The particular criminal act was bad and they are being called to account for it to society. However, like other individuals, they are multi-faceted.

I agree. It almost sounds like an addict (drugs or whatever). Charming as they can be it is still all about them. Their pain. Their conflict. Their drama. Their issues. Them. All about them. Which is why they have no conceptualization about anyone's pain or hurt other than their own.

If her prints are on that tape...excluding other prints (other than Caylee-though we don't know about any other prints) I could care less about Casey's good deeds...they were likely to benefit herself. I don't blame the A's as a family for who she became...there are so many cases of jerks who are just jerks regardless of parentage. I blame them because they have to know NOW that she is not some innocent. She is like all killers...devoid of caring and thought beyond herself. And while those two things don't make a murderer they should sure have caused them to think, really think about who and what she is. She is a sociopath. Not insane. It was not an accident. And if they want to still cling to the BS nanny story or the accident line...that is their deal...but it won't help them move on or deal or accept. She is a cancer. A horrible cancer. People sadly are born without sympathy or empathy or consciousness beyond their own stupid lives and she is one and WILL never be...look at the NG stuff tonite...not new video...but when CA is saying that they know KC is safe but Caylee is not...KC will not let that stuff go...she has to interject that while her parents may know where KC is (jail) she is not safe and then goes on to berate them for her being there. She is why she is there. And she is horrible. That is all I know.

 

[Jubilee]

Muzikman, YOU ROCK!! :bowdown::bowdown: We're not worthy of thee!!

TIA!

Yes, You ROCK!

 

[okiedokietoo]

Local 6 is saying that no fingerprints were found on duct tape

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18728295/detail.html#-

ok ok so what is in the doc dump that is bad news for the defense if it's not fingerprints on the duct tape?

 

[debs]

As horrible as it sounds, I could envisage doing away with (sorry just can't say "killing") my parents LONG before I could imagine hurting one of my children.

As horrible as it is to contemplate, what if one believed that one was saving one's child from the fate they'd endured so far?

 

[radio]

ok ok so what is in the doc dump that is bad news for the defense if it's not fingerprints on the duct tape?

With all the rumors and misreporting -- we may never know!!!!

 

[Jubilee]

Wouldn't be the first time. Lizzie Borden comes to mind. There are other indications such as telling Amy that Cindy was going to "give" the house to her. Then there was a rumor that she was going to get $15,000 from an insurance policy. Makes you go ... "Hummm."

I think you are absolutely right.

 

[Themis]

Local 6 is saying that no fingerprints were found on duct tape

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18728295/detail.html#-

Okay. The first reports just said the lab results on the duct tape were back. First reports also indicated the doc dump would not be good for defense.
IF the lab did not pick up KC's fingerprints on the duct tape; what does this prove? Was the sticky on the tape too badly degraded? Were there prints of another person on them and it did not match KC? The interpretation could be very different.

 

[okiedokietoo]

With all the rumors and misreporting -- we may never know!!!!

Possibility of Fingerprints on the duct tape was bad enough - I cannot even come up with what might be damning in this doc dump - can it get more horrific