What about Lee Anthony? **REVISIT**

[butterfly1978]

I just want to throw in my opinion on Lee possibly having Asperger's. While it is not an excuse by any means I kinda understand a little more about his demeanor, especially at the deposition. My son has Aspergers and though we have NEVER used it as an excuse, my son tends to do a lot of the things that Lee does. What you need to know about Aspergers is that no two people have the same symptoms however they may have some of the same tendencies. For instance my son, whenever my son gets in trouble he laughs, he never takes ANYTHING at all serious. I use to get so mad at him because I would be so angry about something he would do and he would smile, the doctor said he is not trying to laugh at me it is how he reacts to stress. Which is what Lee was doing during the deposition, he was smiling and laughing. My son also has a very hard time making eye contact and when he does he stutters or trips over his words, sometimes it takes him 10 minutes to say a something that could have been said in to sentences. Which is something else I have seen Lee do and you walk away going HUH??? what the heck was he talking about ( I know because my son does the same thing). Also the hand thing. My son is always pulling at his hands or ringing his hands or shaking his hands or fidgeting with something he never keeps his hands still. I have seen Lee do this as well, so I can definitely believe that he passably has Aspergers. Now with that being said that does not re-leave him from any responsibility, however I can see how he was probably never treated because Casey was always so much more important and so it was probably overlooked, or CA and GA just didn't care. My son takes 3 diffrent medications and I promise you before my son was put on medications I was seriously thinking What is wrong with my child, its like he has no conscious, he is the most loving kid you could ever meet but at some times he seemed like a sociopath.

Now I just want to state that Lee is now an adult and not a child and even if CA and GA didn't get him help when he was younger as an adult he should of and could have received help by now. If it is true that he has Aspergers, which I do not know if he does or not, and on another note I have ALWAYS held my son accountable for his actions because it is never an excuse, and he knows that.

 

[beach]

Thanks for reminding us with that phone call, what she is really like. Her defense team can try to sanitize her all they want with demure clothing, tears at the appropriate time in Court, but when anyone listens to this tape it is obvious how she treats her mother, her brother and her best friend- with contempt. The mother of the year obviously treated Caylee the same way.

You took the words right outta my mouth. I needed to hear it again, too.

Ya know, when you go back to the very beginning and listen to these tapes, it takes you back to the very basics of State's case. These are her words out of her own mouth...using her own tone of voice....focusing on getting her boyfriend's phone number instead of talking about her 'missing' 2 year old daughter....using the same approach she has always used before when she could fool people with her lies. You know the old cliche. "It is what it is."? Well, this IS who she is.

 

[Aedrys]

Logicalgirl, it's okay. I might have overreacted earlier, and I'm sorry for that. I understand you all are just wondering about his strangeness. I just don't think he has any disease. He might be socially inept, or from growing up in the Anthony microcosm, he's just plain weird. I think that's it. Growing up in that household would make anyone react weirdly to the rest of the world.

I think he's used to Cindy taking care of things not only Casey related but family related. He's only ever known reality as Cindy has set it forth, so having harsh reality intrude for the first time probably changed his whole world. Before Caylee's death, it was what mom said and even if it wasn't, you pretended it was and let mom handle it. I really think that's how it was. For the first time, things were NOT what mom said they were, and he and George are having to deal with that. It can't be easy pretending anymore and just letting Cindy handle it. They've finally reached a place that Cindy just can't control and can't fix, and I really think that's a first for Lee and GA. Cindy has probably always told him and GA what to do and how to be, and they have always followed her direction even if they didn't agree with her. I think Caylee's death and what happened afterward is something intolerable and unbearable, and Cindy's having a harder and harder time controlling her men because of it. She's losing her grip faster and faster on them. He and GA are seeing that for once she's wrong, and maybe a little crazy too (maybe more than a little).

I also do find strange how he seemed so on her side at first. Siblings usually know more about each other than their parents ever do, but it could be that Cindy was keeping him away from it all so much that he really didn't know Casey as well as he thought, or he knew her better and just didn't want to believe what she was capable of. Who knows, maybe Casey manipulated him a lot of his life and he just didn't realize how bad she was and how much his family covered for her until Caylee's death and all the shenanigans afterward. Or maybe really he did know Casey better, but just didn't want his parents, especially Cindy to know that. I know there are things about my siblings I'll never tell my parents.

The weird thing is, though, he seems to have had a detachment from Casey and Caylee's life. Maybe he knew too well how things really were and chose to stay away from Casey's crap and just let mom handle it, like always. And mom was more than happy to keep him away from Casey's situation so that he could have his own good life separate from her. I don't know and can't fathom why he wasn't more involved in Caylee's life, but maybe he was more afraid of getting pulled into Casey's bad situation than being a better uncle to Caylee. I've always thought it sad that he didn't care more or wasn't involved more in Caylee's life.

Maybe in retrospect he feels for awful for not being a better uncle, and that's why he's staying out of the spotlight, to honor her memory and not do what his parents are doing. I think he and GA trusted Cindy when she said everything would be okay for so long, that when it finally wasn't okay, that was something really hard to swallow and deal with. I'm hoping he and his father have realized how NOT okay things were for years, and maybe they will not let her mislead them like that from now on. We saw it in George's eyes in the hearing where Casey became a felon, and I wonder if Lee's eyes look like that too now.

It seems like he was willing to play the games at first, and really thought it all was a game because mom said it was and that's how it always was, but now realizes it's not a game and he's not going down for what he knows his sister did. For his sake, I'm glad he's out of the spotlight, and I'm sure GA and CA are glad too. They can have at least one kid they can be proud of, assuming he never goes down the same road Casey did. Or maybe he's just glad he's the better child and never will go down that road.

I really hope that he and GA grow a pair and stand up for Caylee in the end. The problem is that standing up for Caylee means standing up to Cindy, and I'm not sure either of them really want to do that and destroy the family they have left. *sigh* I'll probably just be disappointed in them both, like I have been. We'll see.

 

[Linz]

The weird thing is, though, he seems to have had a detachment from Casey and Caylee's life. Maybe he knew too well how things really were and chose to stay away from Casey's crap and just let mom handle it, like always. And mom was more than happy to keep him away from Casey's situation so that he could have his own good life separate from her. I don't know and can't fathom why he wasn't more involved in Caylee's life, but maybe he was more afraid of getting pulled into Casey's bad situation than being a better uncle to Caylee. I've always thought it sad that he didn't care more or wasn't involved more in Caylee's life.

Snipped for space.


Great post! Extremely insightful, and I think you're spot on in your description of the family dynamics and the effects of growing up in that environment.

There's only one point where I sort of disagree; re: the above paragraph, I don't know that I necessarily find it weird that Lee seems detached from Caylee. There are many families out there who still find it deeply shameful to have a relative give birth to a child out of wedlock, let alone right out of high school, with no prospects, no father in the picture, etc. I strongly suspect the Anthony family was one of these (remember GA's gushing commentary about being 'over the moon' when he heard KC was pregnant? Overcompensating much, George?).

Fortunately, once Caylee arrived, they fell in love with her and seemingly overcame their shame (at least, no stigma appears to have been attached to Caylee- quite the opposite, George and Cindy seem to have been very proud of her). Lee, however, being further removed from the situation (neither living there nor seeing Caylee on a daily basis) might still be expected to feel some ambivalence. I also agree that he knew things about KC that his parents didn't- specifically, I think he either knew of or suspected her promiscuity, especially since they seem to have had some overlap in their friend circles over the years. Given all of this, his distancing attitude seems understandable, if not admirable.

And if he never bonded fully with Caylee during her brief life, I'm not that surprised that he would take his sister's side/opt to not break ranks with the rest of his immediate family, after her death.

IMO, if Lee ever does flip and decide to give State's evidence, it'll be for his own individual reasons, or possibly if he perceives it to be for his family's greater good. Sadly, I don't think he'll ever 'do it for Caylee'. He's had almost two years already, during which he's amply demonstrated where his loyalties lie.



All mere guesswork here and JMO.

 

[Macushla]

There was an article in today's Sentinel about Mitnick, an attorney with Morgan and Morgan. While the article very briefly touched on the civil suit, there was a picture that accompanied the article. the caption said that the picture was of Morgan and Mitnick during the deposition of Lee Anthony on Friday!!! Anyone hear anything about this?

ETA: I know Lee was deposed once already by Morgan & Morgan, and I have been informed that deposition took place on a Friday. There is a possibility that the photo in the print section was from that deposition and the paper just made a mistake (GASP!) and reprinted both the picture and the caption from that depo. I posted here because I was really surprised that a new deposition might have been taken without M&M making a huge production out of it. So it is live or is it memorex? Ok, I know I dated myself with that tag line from a commercial Thoughts, anyone?

 

[beach]

There was an article in today's Sentinel about Mitnick, an attorney with Morgan and Morgan. While the article very briefly touched on the civil suit, there was a picture that accompanied the article. the caption said that the picture was of Morgan and Mitnick during the deposition of Lee Anthony on Friday!!! Anyone hear anything about this?

No....and I can't find the article online.
I know you live in the area, so I guess it was a hard copy of the Sentinel?

ETA ...

duh! I found where you posted the link in Today's Current News thread...TY!

 

[DaughterAlice]

Okay, time to sound-off regarding LA. I don't like him. I don't trust him. I strongly suspect that he knows a LOT more than he lets on to. When he is quiet (meaning out of the spotlight) for extended periods of time, it seems like people say "well, maybe he's not so bad." I disagree. He's bad. I suspected it from early on, but I think it first became cemented in my mind the day that he & KC high-fived for public viewing after eluding the press. Something about that rubbed me so wrong, it was just so undignified. So completely innappropriate considering the seriousness of the situation, and Caylee still missing.

I appreciate the insite about Asbergers, esp from Butterfly1978 (thank you!), and I suppose it would or could explain his behaviors & akward laughter during his depo. I think that KC displays many of the same behaviors, minus the laughter. I'm not sure if that has anything to do with his possible culpability in this whole matter.

Thanks also to TheWorldAccording for the YouTube link. You are the YouTube link Queen, my dear! Please don't ever stop, you are so resourceful; I think I've learned more from your links than from all the news stories I've read added together. I have to say that I think everything spewing from his mouth at the 8 minute mark stink of lies. By then, KC HERSELF admitted that she didn't work at Universal (which in my mind includes a company contracted to them).

How often have we wondered "why did KC want AL's phone number from HIM during that first jail call? What exactly did he do to KC's laptop when he went to pick up her stuff? Why was he trying to talk to her in code at the jail visit? What's the weird relationship between him & DC? Why did his girlfriend show up at the A house right when the remains were found? Why did he say he believes everything his sister tells him, during his depo, when she'd already been caught in so many bold-faced proven lies by then?"

Don't be fooled by LA. He is no innocent.

 

[Insomnia Momma]

Don't be fooled by LA. He is no innocent.

My snip and bold.

I totally agree...

 

[beach]

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I think he's used to Cindy taking care of things not only Casey related but family related. He's only ever known reality as Cindy has set it forth, so having harsh reality intrude for the first time probably changed his whole world. Before Caylee's death, it was what mom said and even if it wasn't, you pretended it was and let mom handle it. I really think that's how it was. For the first time, things were NOT what mom said they were, and he and George are having to deal with that. It can't be easy pretending anymore and just letting Cindy handle it. They've finally reached a place that Cindy just can't control and can't fix, and I really think that's a first for Lee and GA. Cindy has probably always told him and GA what to do and how to be, and they have always followed her direction even if they didn't agree with her. I think Caylee's death and what happened afterward is something intolerable and unbearable, and Cindy's having a harder and harder time controlling her men because of it. She's losing her grip faster and faster on them. He and GA are seeing that for once she's wrong, and maybe a little crazy too (maybe more than a little).

I think you are spot on with this assessment!

I also do find strange how he seemed so on her side at first. Siblings usually know more about each other than their parents ever do, but it could be that Cindy was keeping him away from it all so much that he really didn't know Casey as well as he thought, or he knew her better and just didn't want to believe what she was capable of. Who knows, maybe Casey manipulated him a lot of his life and he just didn't realize how bad she was and how much his family covered for her until Caylee's death and all the shenanigans afterward. Or maybe really he did know Casey better, but just didn't want his parents, especially Cindy to know that. I know there are things about my siblings I'll never tell my parents.

BBM

I think Lee knows Casey better than anyone. And they share more than a few secrets. IF (..and that is a BIG IF) Casey would confess, it would be to Lee, imo.


As much as I have studied this case, Lee still leaves me scratching my head. :waitasec: I was a big defender of him in the beginning....before the memorial and before all the audios/videos of his depos, etc... Now, not so much. Still, I try to put myself in his position...what if that were my sister? what if my family was imploding right before my eyes? how would I react? what would I do? I do feel for the position he is in. I just don't understand him. Lee seems like one big contradiction to me.

 

[logicalgirl]

I just want to throw in my opinion on Lee possibly having Asperger's. While it is not an excuse by any means I kinda understand a little more about his demeanor, especially at the deposition. My son has Aspergers and though we have NEVER used it as an excuse, my son tends to do a lot of the things that Lee does. What you need to know about Aspergers is that no two people have the same symptoms however they may have some of the same tendencies. For instance my son, whenever my son gets in trouble he laughs, he never takes ANYTHING at all serious. I use to get so mad at him because I would be so angry about something he would do and he would smile, the doctor said he is not trying to laugh at me it is how he reacts to stress. Which is what Lee was doing during the deposition, he was smiling and laughing. My son also has a very hard time making eye contact and when he does he stutters or trips over his words, sometimes it takes him 10 minutes to say a something that could have been said in to sentences. Which is something else I have seen Lee do and you walk away going HUH??? what the heck was he talking about ( I know because my son does the same thing). Also the hand thing. My son is always pulling at his hands or ringing his hands or shaking his hands or fidgeting with something he never keeps his hands still. I have seen Lee do this as well, so I can definitely believe that he passably has Aspergers. Now with that being said that does not re-leave him from any responsibility, however I can see how he was probably never treated because Casey was always so much more important and so it was probably overlooked, or CA and GA just didn't care. My son takes 3 diffrent medications and I promise you before my son was put on medications I was seriously thinking What is wrong with my child, its like he has no conscious, he is the most loving kid you could ever meet but at some times he seemed like a sociopath.

Now I just want to state that Lee is now an adult and not a child and even if CA and GA didn't get him help when he was younger as an adult he should of and could have received help by now. If it is true that he has Aspergers, which I do not know if he does or not, and on another note I have ALWAYS held my son accountable for his actions because it is never an excuse, and he knows that.

You've made some interesting points and a valuable addition so thanks for that.

I know some posters think I am looking for an excuse for Lee's bad behavior - the high fiving, etc., but I'm absolutely not.

My thinking process is to acknowledge behavior and hope for consequences. But then the big question is why? Lee has done some weird extraordinary things - much of what he says makes no sense at all. So once again while I consider the possibility of untreated Aspergers, in my mind it has nothing to do with the consequences he may face. It is simply to answer why and try to make some sense of it.:banghead:

 

[Kentjbkent]

You've made some interesting points and a valuable addition so thanks for that.

I know some posters think I am looking for an excuse for Lee's bad behavior - the high fiving, etc., but I'm absolutely not.

My thinking process is to acknowledge behavior and hope for consequences. But then the big question is why? Lee has done some weird extraordinary things - much of what he says makes no sense at all. So once again while I consider the possibility of untreated Aspergers, in my mind it has nothing to do with the consequences he may face. It is simply to answer why and try to make some sense of it.:banghead:

Here is what has me :waitasec::waitasec::waitasec: about Lee....

1. We have been through what...10?....15?...court hearings in the last year and a half and Lee has NEVER attended (to my knowledge) a single one, even to lend silent support to both of his parents...provide a "family unit"....

2. We have seen umpteen media appearances by CA/GA but not ONCE do I recall Lee sitting next to his parents during the interview to lend his silent support of his parents...provide a "family unit"...

3. So Lee will vacate his own home, move back into his parents house to lend financial assistance apparently, but under no circumstances will he sit next to his parents publicly to lend THEM his support (completely disregarding KC as I don't where he stands in supporting her)????

4. Lee and Mallory will indulge themselves of a "free" (or was it?) cruise with his parents, but again, will not attend any hearings with them? And weren't they photographed sitting quite distant from each other in the cruise photos (where only THEY were present on deck!)

5. Is SOMEONE afraid a gesture, a look, a smile, a wink will transpire between KC and Lee during a court appearance that could be captured and displayed and replayed all over televisions across the nation?

6. And what about Mallory? GA spoke lovingly of his "future daughter in law" during his microscope interview. If Lee cannot bring himself to offer his supportive (even silent) presence during court and media appearances, does Mallory not feel any sympathetic feelings towards her future inlaws and attend herself?

Speaking of Mallory, do we even know anything about her relationship with KC prior to July 08? Did they get along? Was Mallory a "wedge" between KC and Lee? Only thing I recall is KC's angry phone call from jail mentioning she saw Mallorys car outside the Anthony home on the news....

Something between CA/GA and Lee is just not adding up here....:waitasec:

 

[ZsaZsa]

Mallory's mother shows up in court. Will that do? :innocent:

 

[Kentjbkent]

Mallory's mother shows up in court. Will that do? :innocent:

Did we ever determine that the woman in question was really Mallory's mother?

I recall a few others were stating her identity as someone else?

 

[ZsaZsa]

Okay, time to sound-off regarding LA. I don't like him. I don't trust him. I strongly suspect that he knows a LOT more than he lets on to. When he is quiet (meaning out of the spotlight) for extended periods of time, it seems like people say "well, maybe he's not so bad." I disagree. He's bad. I suspected it from early on, but I think it first became cemented in my mind the day that he & KC high-fived for public viewing after eluding the press. Something about that rubbed me so wrong, it was just so undignified. So completely innappropriate considering the seriousness of the situation, and Caylee still missing.

I appreciate the insite about Asbergers, esp from Butterfly1978 (thank you!), and I suppose it would or could explain his behaviors & akward laughter during his depo. I think that KC displays many of the same behaviors, minus the laughter. I'm not sure if that has anything to do with his possible culpability in this whole matter.

Thanks also to TheWorldAccording for the YouTube link. You are the YouTube link Queen, my dear! Please don't ever stop, you are so resourceful; I think I've learned more from your links than from all the news stories I've read added together. I have to say that I think everything spewing from his mouth at the 8 minute mark stink of lies. By then, KC HERSELF admitted that she didn't work at Universal (which in my mind includes a company contracted to them).

How often have we wondered "why did KC want AL's phone number from HIM during that first jail call? What exactly did he do to KC's laptop when he went to pick up her stuff? Why was he trying to talk to her in code at the jail visit? What's the weird relationship between him & DC? Why did his girlfriend show up at the A house right when the remains were found? Why did he say he believes everything his sister tells him, during his depo, when she'd already been caught in so many bold-faced proven lies by then?"

Don't be fooled by LA. He is no innocent.

OT- but.....One little irritant, to me. Why was she asking for TL's phone number, knowing she had called him/texted him a zillion times before?

 

[ZsaZsa]

Did we ever determine that the woman in question was really Mallory's mother?

I recall a few others were stating her identity as someone else?

The lady I am thinking of is the one who met them off the cruise- she was identified on WFTV as Mallory's mother, and I see her in court each time with them- she was the one shielding Cindy's face from the camera right after her cosmetic surgery....:innocent:

 

[Linz]

OT- but.....One little irritant, to me. Why was she asking for TL's phone number, knowing she had called him/texted him a zillion times before?

It was stored in her phone's memory; locked up in jail without her cell phone, she didn't know it. They only numbers she knew-the ones she was able to rattle off to Cindy so effortlessly- were all fake (Zenaida, Jeff H, etc).

 

[Kentjbkent]

The lady I am thinking of is the one who met them off the cruise- she was identified on WFTV as Mallory's mother, and I see her in court each time with them- she was the one shielding Cindy's face from the camera right after her cosmetic surgery....:innocent:

We'll have to see if TWA can dig us up some youtubes!!

:woohoo:

 

[flourish]

I've avoided this topic because it can get squirrely, but I'm going to weigh in on the speculation about Lee possibly having Aspberger's. In my opinion, Lee exhibits a lack of social skills which may involve some difficulty in reading other people's facial expressions, vocal inflections, and general social cues. While those characteristics are often present in people with Aspberger's, I don't think we have enough related information to really make an educated guess here. If we knew he had some sensory issues or something, then maybe. As I see it now, he essentially doesn't have appropriate, effective, and typical social skills and communication skills. But I attribute that more to a lack of appropriate modeling in those areas; George and Cindy certainly don't display typical social and communication skills, and neither does Casey. That is another reason why I think this a learned behavior issue, not a fundamental brain wiring issue. All my opinion, based on legitimate education on the topic. I'm not an expert, though.

 

[LawRig]

I've avoided this topic because it can get squirrely, but I'm going to weigh in on the speculation about Lee possibly having Aspberger's. In my opinion, Lee exhibits a lack of social skills which may involve some difficulty in reading other people's facial expressions, vocal inflections, and general social cues. While those characteristics are often present in people with Aspberger's, I don't think we have enough related information to really make an educated guess here. If we knew he had some sensory issues or something, then maybe. As I see it now, he essentially doesn't have appropriate, effective, and typical social skills and communication skills. But I attribute that more to a lack of appropriate modeling in those areas; George and Cindy certainly don't display typical social and communication skills, and neither does Casey. That is another reason why I think this a learned behavior issue, not a fundamental brain wiring issue. All my opinion, based on legitimate education on the topic. I'm not an expert, though.

BBM respectfully, and agreed.
not an expert either but exposure to both types, (brain issue and learned behavior)leads me to believe, IMO also, its a learned behavior.

 

[The World According]

We'll have to see if TWA can dig us up some youtubes!!

:woohoo:

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