What areas have been searched?

[suspicious1]

IIRC..TN took Cobra to a green trailer located in an area where she claims she wandered around alone in searching for Haleigh for about four hours... She also claimed she heard squeeling noises..Like wild hogs..

Thanks Emeral, I forgot about that.

 

[suspicious1]

I thought we finally determined this was the m/h right behind Ron's. It isn't? thx for any clarification 'cuz I'm confused.

eta - and FWIW, TJ said it had been searched multiple times, and I think LE did, too.

Hey LF, I must've missed it...sorry:dance:

 

[LFlorida]

Hey LF, I must've missed it...sorry:dance:

No, now, don't go apologizing. I have no idea if that was the same trailer, that's why I asked.

Some of these questions and "facts" that seem to be so basic are probably not so basic nor factual. And heaven knows I don't necessarily consider that radio guy's sources to be reliable. Not by a longshot.

 

[Concerned Papa]

No, now, don't go apologizing. I have no idea if that was the same trailer, that's why I asked.

Some of these questions and "facts" that seem to be so basic are probably not so basic nor factual. And heaven knows I don't necessarily consider that radio guy's sources to be reliable. Not by a longshot.

LFlorida, LOL, I have no idea if that is THE hog pen or not, but I'm reasonably sure it is A hog pen for 2 reasons.

- If you watch the video, the fence wire is a rectangular grid, which I have always called hog wire fencing.

- A friend of mine who lives in central Florida traps wild hogs. Not my cup of tea, but to each his own. He told me a while back that a hog pen should always be built in an angular or circular shape like the one in the video. Seems the buggers are powerful and take running go's at the fence trying to knock it down, so you don't want a flat plane to take the impact.

I know that the Cobra/TN affair allegedly centered around a neighbor's property but I have no idea if it was this neighbor or not. Maybe more than one of his neighbors had hog pens, IDK.

 

[Whisperer]

I am SO creeped out by this lifestyle....

 

[suspicious1]

I am SO creeped out by this lifestyle....

Me too, Whisp! I'm a city gal.:dance::dance:

 

[LFlorida]

I am SO creeped out by this lifestyle....

I don't blame you, whisp, but if that's the mobile home I'm thinking of, it's not currently hog pens or hog traps. Maybe a hundred years ago.

FWIW, it's legal to shoot wild boars here, so I have no idea why anyone would trap and raise them. I can't say with certainty it's not a hog pen, but that's a whole lot of trouble for a pig. Just throw up some wire fencing, fgs, it's not like they require shade or mud.

Where in the world do y'all live for this not to be so incredibly obvious? lol, yes. we're rural and some of these stories do bring to mind some of the more infamous southern white trash movies, but we aren't that different from any other area of the country. [Admittedly I cannot explain Uncle Donald & Ron's illegal hunting activities. Weird peeps, for sure.]

 

[LFlorida]

I found out yesterday that the Stokes Landing area was searched way back in February or March. I had not heard or seen that anywhere, but I might have missed it.

lol - just ck'ed title of thread, trying to stay on-topic.

 

[Concerned Papa]

I don't blame you, whisp, but if that's the mobile home I'm thinking of, it's not currently hog pens or hog traps. Maybe a hundred years ago.

FWIW, it's legal to shoot wild boars here, so I have no idea why anyone would trap and raise them. I can't say with certainty it's not a hog pen, but that's a whole lot of trouble for a pig. Just throw up some wire fencing, fgs, it's not like they require shade or mud.

Where in the world do y'all live for this not to be so incredibly obvious? lol, yes. we're rural and some of these stories do bring to mind some of the more infamous southern white trash movies, but we aren't that different from any other area of the country. [Admittedly I cannot explain Uncle Donald & Ron's illegal hunting activities. Weird peeps, for sure.]

LFlorida, I'm American by birth, but Southern by the grace of God and have eaten many a meal of wild hog. I was raised on a dairy farm in a county where the cows outnumber the people by a large margin. I just never have hunted hogs.

FWIW, it's my understanding that some hog hunters use dogs to catch the hog live and it's put in a pen and fed corn, etc. for a period of time to get the "wild game" taste out of the meat. At least that's what my friend, who I mentioned earlier, does and that's why the pen is used.

 

[Emeralgem]

My goodness gracious...All this talk about wild hogs..Why does Deliverance come to mind?

 

[Whisperer]

Does anyone know exactly where they searched in Pomona Park. They said 60 officers searched for hours in an open field. They were sent there on a tip.

I find the timing of the addition to a single wide RENTED trailer...ah..weird!

 

[suspicious1]

Does anyone know exactly where they searched in Pomona Park. They said 60 officers searched for hours in an open field. They were sent there on a tip.

I find the timing of the addition to a single wide RENTED trailer...ah..weird!

I do too Whisp. Something doesn't seem right with that. I don't know where they searched in Pomona Park but I would like to know also.

 

[Whisperer]

Here is an article that states they DID find items of interest in the search in the first few days.

Investigators found "items of interest" in the dense woods surrounding the home of a missing Florida girl in a "productive day" of searching even as hundreds of volunteers swarmed the area Friday but found no sign of 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings.
"I can say we did discover some items of interest. I can't go into detail as to what those items were or are," said Major Steve Rose of the Putnam County Sheriff's Office, who would not comment how the items were being handled for fear of revealing what they are.


All articles from Fox News.
http://www.operationawareness.com/whats_new_2_Haleigh_Cummings_1.html

 

[twall]

Did Ron fish at the pond the dogs tracked to? Did Haleigh go with him?

Papa does your friend know anything about underground hog pens/traps?
In the Cobra/TN video Art Harris shot where they go in the woods w/the green trailer TN says there were "boats in the yard" and she heard a sound like a squeaking door.
There are boats in the yard in the video Debs posted. I can recall talks about the squeaking door being an underground hogpen-speculations were going around that it was hidden in the ground and Haleigh could have been kept there.

 

[Concerned Papa]

Did Ron fish at the pond the dogs tracked to? Did Haleigh go with him?

Papa does your friend know anything about underground hog pens/traps?
In the Cobra/TN video Art Harris shot where they go in the woods w/the green trailer TN says there were "boats in the yard" and she heard a sound like a squeaking door.
There are boats in the yard in the video Debs posted. I can recall talks about the squeaking door being an underground hogpen-speculations were going around that it was hidden in the ground and Haleigh could have been kept there.

I don't personally believe that there was an "underground hog pen" for a couple of reasons.

-First and foremost is WHY? It's not like raising a hog is illegal in most rural environments, so why the subterfuge by going underground?

-Second, an underground pen would be a definite problem with airflow for the animals. According to what I pulled up by searching "hog pens", pigs/hogs have no natural sweat glands and depend on air movement and mud "wallows" for their body's cooling.

LOL, when I first came to WS I didn't have a clue that I'd be posting this much about "downhome" thangs like hogs and pens, but, hey, we each bring what we can, huh?

 

[suspicious1]

Did Ron fish at the pond the dogs tracked to? Did Haleigh go with him?

Papa does your friend know anything about underground hog pens/traps?
In the Cobra/TN video Art Harris shot where they go in the woods w/the green trailer TN says there were "boats in the yard" and she heard a sound like a squeaking door.
There are boats in the yard in the video Debs posted. I can recall talks about the squeaking door being an underground hogpen-speculations were going around that it was hidden in the ground and Haleigh could have been kept there.

Squeaky doors.....Squeaky shoes

Maybe that's why Ron and Misty are so confident that she won't be found so therefore they stick to their story.

 

[lil momma]

OK, here is an article i came across about the dogs searching the dumpster...

http://www.news4jax.com/news/18805304/detail.html

~snip~

Investigators said they searched around the same Dumpster in the days after Haleigh's disappearance, but found nothing. They said the never went into the Dumpster until Thursday evening.

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IMO, there would have been ample time to place HaLeigh in the dumpster, and relocate her when they had too......

I am just besides myself, i thought LE checked the dumpster that same day HaLeigh went missing, on the inside......

 

[debs]

The problem I have with the dumpster issue is that a person either has to scootch under the fence, drag Haleigh's body under with, throw it into the dumpster and leave the same way. One has to be incredibly sure that the dumpster won't be searched until one can get back and remove Haleigh's body from it, or make sure they are somewhere when the body is discovered....only it never is.

 

[MADJGNLAW]

Here are a few more articles in case they were over looked, and also one from someone that lived in the MH before Haleigh that talks about the area behind the MH and how easy it would be to take someone from the back of the MH IHO.

Also, in the areas that were search, items that were found...LE always came back and re-canted their statements by saying the items were not of interest. Which I find vererrrrrrrryyyyyyyy odd.

New Information About Home Haleigh Disappeared From Dr. Jesse Smallwood, a minister, used to live there with his family

"Snip" By: Jessica Clark February 17, 2009


SATSUMA, FL -- About ten years ago, a different family rented the double wide trailer where Haleigh Cummings lives.

Dr. Jesse Smallwood, a minister, used to live there with his family. He's now in Georgia.

First Coast News called him to ask him what he remembers about the home.


That blue double wide is the place he used to live in around 2000 and 2001 while he worked at a local church.

Smallwood remembered the house and said its floors were noisy.
He said if someone was walking inside, he could hear them even if they were on the other side of the house.

"Someone could not carry the child out of that house unless someone was in a drunken stupor, and not hear that child being taken from that house," Smallwood said.

He explained he had an extra slide lock placed on the back door.

It's not clear if the same lock is still on the house nearly a decade later.

However, Misty Croslin, talked about the lock.
She said Haleigh and Haleigh's little brother "could reach [the lock] but they couldn't unlock it because it was hard."

Croslin also said Ronald Cummings, Haleigh's father, checked the locks before he left for work.

Beyond the lock, Smallwood says the way the home is tucked into the woods makes it a perfect place for someone to snatch a child.

"You could park down into the trees and walk right up," Smallwood explained. "If you were going to abduct someone, all you would have to do is sit back there and no one would see you."

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/...31562&catid=295

A canine officer followed a track that lead directly out the back door of the home and down a wooded path. Deputies found what appeared to be a small footprint

"Snip" By: Gary Detman http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/...=131276&catid=3


February 13, 2009



Deputies found what appeared to be a small footprint in the dirt, but noted Haleigh's shoes were still inside her home.

The tracking dog led deputies to a pond and back to Green Drive [map it], Haleigh's street. Deputies looked inside a small building with a door that had been left open. Nothing was inside.

The track continued north past Haleigh's home down Monroe Avenue and onto Buchan Circle, which looped back to Monroe Avenue. The canine officer continued to track down Buffalo Bluff Road but lost the track at the railroad crossing.

Search For Missing 5-Year-Old Continues Into Weekend


"Snip" February 13, 2009



More than 200 volunteers with the search-and-rescue group Texas Equusearch headed out into the woods on horseback, ATVs and on foot. Investigators said the day's efforts turned up "items of interest." http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29192037/



FOX NEWS http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,492425,00.html


February 13, 2009

Investigators found "items of interest" in the dense woods surrounding the home of a missing Florida girl in a "productive day" of searching even as hundreds of volunteers swarmed the area Friday but found no sign of 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings.



"I can say we did discover some items of interest. I can't go into detail as to what those items were or are," said Major Steve Rose of the Putnam County Sheriff's Office, who would not comment how the items were being handled for fear of revealing what they are.

　

Hardy said items have been sent for lab analysis but would not say what those were. http://www.jacksonville.com/news/me...missing_haleigh

Tip Leads To New Search For Haleigh


"Snip" February 20, 2009 http://www.wftv.com/news/18759621/detail.html#-



PUTNAM COUNTY, Fla. -- A new tip led to a new ground search for missing 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings Friday and an army of deputies searched a wooded area just a few hundred yards from her home.

Putnam County sheriff's deputies stopped all physical ground searches for Haleigh Cummings last Monday, but Friday morning Eyewitness News found a search team in Satsuma in a parking lot and followed behind them.

The tip that led law enforcement to the wooded area came in overnight. Officers from all over, including Flagler County Fire Rescue, showed up early Friday morning to begin the search.

There were more than 70 searchers, some with walking sticks. Eyewitness News was the only TV news crew in the woods when the search began.

"We're going to move to the north, which will be to our right all the way down this road, double arms length apart. The go signal is going to be 'move,'" the search leader announced.

The group met briefly Friday morning and then lined up on a dirt road.

Tip Leads Detectives To St. Augustine In Haleigh Search


February 25, 2009
"Snip" http://www.wftv.com/news/18793086/detail.html

PUTNAM COUNTY, Fla. -- Detectives following a tip, searched in St. Augustine near some railroad tracks around SR-16 and US-1, but nothing turned up. Putnam County investigators told Eyewitness News Tuesday that an anonymous donor gave $5,000, bringing the reward to $25,500.

Volunteers continue to search surrounding areas for the little girl.

Investigators are no longer conducting ground searches, but said they're following up on over 1,600 tips.

K-9s Continue Search For Haleigh

Investigators Say Trash Bin Search Yielded No Clues


"Snip" http://www.wesh.com/news/18808619/detail.html


February 27, 2009


SATSUMA, Fla. -- Authorities will use cadaver dogs again on Friday to search for a missing Putnam County girl.

Haleigh Cummings disappeared from her Satsuma home two weeks ago, and authorities said they have more than 1,600 leads to investigate in the case.

Searchers converged on a trash bin on Thursday evening after a K-9 unit alerted on it, but authorities said it was a false alarm.

Haleigh's aunt, Crystal Cummings, said she refuses to believe Haleigh has been in a Dumpster just six doors away from her home.

"It is a construction-site Dumpster, so maybe someone cut their finger, and that's what they're smelling," Cummings said.

Officials said because the dogs can hit on almost any kind of blood, it doesn't have to mean it's from Haleigh.

Earlier on Thursday, Misty Croslin, the 17-year-old girlfriend of Haleigh's father, was spotted speaking with a detective. She had walked across the street with fresh clothes.



Putnam County officials have brought in a new trash bin. They're taking trash bags and bringing them there to empty and use a pitchfork to go through the garbage in hopes of finding any clues that may lead them to Haleigh.

6-hour search for Haleigh Cummings turns up empty


Martin Comas Sentinel Staff Writer

March 12, 2009


SATSUMA - More than 100 law-enforcement officials spent six hours today combing a 12-mile grassy stretch along U.S. Highway 17 just north of Crescent City, searching for any clues regarding the disappearance of Haleigh Cummings.

Putnam County sheriff's Capt. Dick Schauland said nothing was found that would help find the missing 5-year-old girl.

In today's search, investigators are slowly walking along the grassy area about 30 yards off each side of the highway between Buffalo Bluff Road and Paradise Shores Road just north of Crescent City, according to Putnam sheriff's Lt. Johnny Greenwood.

Greenwood said the search is not being conducted because of any new tips or leads in connection to Haleigh's disappearance.

"We're not looking for anything specific. We're just looking," he said. "It's just part of the process."

U.S. 17, a two-lane road, is open to traffic during the search.

Besides the Putnam County Sheriff's Office, other agencies involved include deputy sheriffs from St. Johns County, Clay County, Marion County, and officials with the Jacksonville Sheriff's Office Academy, U.S. Coast Guard, Florida Wildlife Commission, and the Bradford County Horse Posse.


"Snip" http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...story?track=rss

 

[Concerned Papa]

In the last article in the post above from MADJGNLAW, why is Paradise Shores Road in Crescent City ringing a bell?

Isn't that where Timmy and Chelsea Croslin lived?