What case really burns your butt?

[ChatteringBirds]

1.JonBonet Ramsey- New evidence coming forth

What evidence?

 

[Here 4 the Missing]

My apologies if this has been covered already, I am a newbie. I don't know, man, with so much basically murder on our screens from HBO to Discovery, some really excellent Ytube vloggers, and beyond, covering every murdering WTF dirtbag old and new often repeated in other guises from program to program, Fear Thy Neighbor, American Monster, Dateline, and keep going times one hundred, it's hard to keep up with as the Jewish faith so eloquently phrase one of extremely poor character such as these murderers: A " NEBBISH." Perfect, aint it? But every once in a while a case hoofs up that really gets under the skin that u can't get out of your head, for why, I don't know. I should, I am a former psychologist and I have covered that with colleagues in the past, to no avail, from newbie qualified to old dog, none of us had an answer, why? For me it was the two <modsnip> who killed Cassie Jo Stoddart - that haunts me and I don't know why? Casey Marie Anthony burns my wife's , mention that name and she freaks out - she'd scratch her eyes out given half a chance. So, the crux of the matter: we watch literally hundreds of murder documentaries (murder ) and we are meh to 99.9% of them - just the right amount of self righteous indignation to make ourselves feel good, to justify our voyeurism into the real life macabre. So why does everybody have a special pet murder case that can't be shaken. Y'all know what I'm talking about - that one case that rankles and itches.

Right now, it's a case my friend is working on that is so in your face : The FBI is investigating the death of Dennoriss Richardson, a Black man found hanging in an abandoned house in Colbert County, Alabama, after his family and community raised concerns about the police's handling of the case, including a lawsuit Richardson filed alleging police misconduct.

 

[Deleted member 19575]

Influencer deaths!
I'm so over them already. Maybe they should parent their kids instead of creating content.

 

[lee sumner]

For me it’s the Sarah Everard case due to personal reasons.

When living in London I walked the road she was abducted on many times, often alone & often after dark.

I was taught growing up to always respect & obey the police - I believe if Wayne Couzens tried to arrest me on that road using his warrant card I would have been Sarah as my instinct would’ve been to obey the police.

The fact that he drove her for hours before raping & murdering her sends shivers down my spine - the fear she must’ve been in on that journey

its ironic when it dawned on sarah she was being snatched. she would have been thinking this man is not a real police officer. he is a sex predator using a fake warrant card.

For me it’s the Sarah Everard case due to personal reasons.

When living in London I walked the road she was abducted on many times, often alone & often after dark.

I was taught growing up to always respect & obey the police - I believe if Wayne Couzens tried to arrest me on that road using his warrant card I would have been Sarah as my instinct would’ve been to obey the police.

The fact that he drove her for hours before raping & murdering her sends shivers down my spine - the fear she must’ve been in on that journey

 

[Beldridge]

3 types
Police botched it - Joey Watkins, Christian Andreachio, Lauren Agee

Video but still unsolved. - Missy Beavers and Elizabeth Barraza ( I knew her personally and I can not emphasize enough how hard it is to understand anyone having beef with her. She was such a kind person)

Anything with children

I’m familiar with the Lauren Agee case, my best friend recovered her and was the one who alerted her mother due to the obvious. It troubles both of us, he was a officer doing security, I’m a former officer and it doesn’t add up.

 

[MissMayflower]

West Memphis Three - Stevie, Michael and Christopher. My heart is completely broken over that case, I have a son of a similar age to the victims.

Closer to home, the abduction and murder of James Bulger in Bootle, England. It happened in my home city, my dad was a police officer at the time. I was 10 years old and I remember sitting in the school playground with my friends, crying our eyes out. For many of us it was the first time we realised that evil existed.

I completely agree with you. The James Bulger murder case is probably the most disturbing, horrific and evil case. My heart just breaks for that little innocent terrified boy. It’s just unimaginable that those kids could callously torture and murder a toddler and have no remorse or feelings. Pure evil.

 

[sportstergirl]

Unsolved disappearance of Paula del Mundo, Dallas 15/9/19.
. How does someone vanish without trace from one of the wrld's busiest airports?

 

[lee sumner]

I completely agree with you. The James Bulger murder case is probably the most disturbing, horrific and evil case. My heart just breaks for that little innocent terrified boy. It’s just unimaginable that those kids could callously torture and murder a toddler and have no remorse or feelings. Pure evil.

interesting. you mention the memphis three. i think they were responsible. they are free now, but damian eccles loved the attention he got at trial, which is strange if your innocent.

 

[bimminglemur]

The case that always comes back to me and that I'm still so confused about is Antti Hanhivaara's disappearance.

 

[lee sumner]

interesting. you mention the memphis three. i think they were responsible. they are free now, but damian eccles loved the attention he got at trial, which is strange if your innocent.

yes, that is what i thought. eccles loved the media attention, and in interviews he did at the time he never really protested his innocence. like you said this is not the behaviour of a innocent man.

 

[tlcya]

Zahra Baker. In her 10 short years she successfully battled cancer, learned to live as an amputee, and dealt with her hearing loss, only to meet her end dismembered and thrown all over NC like she was trash. She deserved SO much better than the the human filth that are Eliza and Adam Baker !

AGREE! Here is the latest on that one:

Baker was moved on Wednesday morning, July 2, from Anson Correctional Institution in Polkton to begin serving a federal sentence related to a prescription drug conspiracy.
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Her federal sentence stems from a 2013 conviction for conspiracy to distribute controlled substances, including oxycodone, hydrocodone, and alprazolam.
https://www.qcnews.com/news/u-s/nor...rder-of-10-year-old-stepdaughter-zahra-baker/

When she was killed, her disappearance wasn't reported for weeks and police eventually determined that she had been murdered and her body dismembered. Police found her prosthetic leg and parts of her body, but her head was never located.

Adam Baker was never arrested or named a person of interest in the murder of his daughter.
Adam Baker Deported with Daughter Zahra's Remains

I still cannot fathom how Zahra's father was never charged in her death and disposal. A true miscarriage of justice MOO

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Coming up on the 50th anniversary of the disappearance of teamster boss Jimmy Hoffa. Abducted from a metro-Detroit restaurant on July 30, 1975. Declared dead in 1982. Hoffa's body has never been located.

 

[ilovewings]

Coming up on the 50th anniversary of the disappearance of teamster boss Jimmy Hoffa. Abducted from a metro-Detroit restaurant on July 30, 1975. Declared dead in 1982. Hoffa's body has never been located.

Every time we drive by that restaurant I think of Jimmy Hoffa and what happened that day in 1975!!!! I guess we will never know what really happened that day except we know Mr. Hoffa is dead.

 

[sportstergirl]

Andrew Innes murdering Bennylyn & Jellica Burke. TW this is horror film material! He also s3xually assaulted Jellica & her sister! Innes is said to have no previous convictions what else has he done?

 

[sportstergirl]

Unsolved murder of Michael Shipton, aka Joe Shipton, 25//3/06, Sheering, Essex UK
61 year old Joe Shipton was found beaten to death in his house at The Plashets, Sheering near Harlow on the above date.
Although Joe lived in the village all his life little is known of him. He worked as a handyman & had once been married but was estranged from his ex wife & daughter who lived abroad. Joe was said to lend small amounts of money & rumoured to have a large amount of cash in his home. He was also said to have had relations with men & women from outside the area & would often vanish for weeks before returning. Joe had also been seen in drag several times.
Something unusual before his murder Joe was seen many times buying ready made cigarettes. Although a smoker Joe only smoked hand rolled cigarettes. Who were they for?
Despite a substantial reward Joe Shipton's murder remains unsolved with little further progress made

 

[ilovewings]

Unsolved murder of Michael Shipton, aka Joe Shipton, 25//3/06, Sheering, Essex UK
61 year old Joe Shipton was found beaten to death in his house at The Plashets, Sheering near Harlow on the above date.
Although Joe lived in the village all his life little is known of him. He worked as a handyman & had once been married but was estranged from his ex wife & daughter who lived abroad. Joe was said to lend small amounts of money & rumoured to have a large amount of cash in his home. He was also said to have had relations with men & women from outside the area & would often vanish for weeks before returning. Joe had also been seen in drag several times.
Something unusual before his murder Joe was seen many times buying ready made cigarettes. Although a smoker Joe only smoked hand rolled cigarettes. Who were they for?
Despite a substantial reward Joe Shipton's murder remains unsolved with little further progress made

I am not familiar with this case, but there are so many, too many cases like this- where the perpetrator will never be known- it is so sad and frustrating and it leaves the families in tatters, wondering who murdered their loved one.

 

[sportstergirl]

Joe Shipton's murder is one of those cases with not much further information. There was a Crimewatch reconstruction which got a few calls though.

 

[sandy betts]

Literally just started deep diving into the Santa Rosa Hitchhiker killings yesterday ... good grief. So many crazy things happening in the '70s, particularly in California.

We had seven serial killers in Contra Costa County, California, at one time. I found one who claims to be the Zodiac Killer! He killed over a dozen females in C C County! I found a few who survived his attacks. They saw the picture I took of my suspect, and said he was who tried to kill them. The detective who had some of those cases, was great! But the DA we have is not ok. He phoned to tell me that because my witnesses were prostitutes, he wasn't going to continue with that case. You mentioned the Santa Rosa cases, my suspect drew me his murder map and claimed eight of the Santa Rosa girls! (Zodiac was known for not always telling the truth) As far as we know, he was not a rapist; some of the Santa Rosa girls were raped! That killer was extremely strong, he tossed some of those girls pretty far. My suspect worked with concrete, lifting those bags; you have to be strong!

 

[Jenny1975]

The Springfield 3…Sherill Levitt, Suzie Streeter, and Stacy McCall. It haunts me. I am close to the same age as the girls. I think about graduation night and parties. They were supposed to stay the night with a school friend who had also graduated that night. They had gone to her house but the friends house was full of family members who had come for the graduation. This girls mother heard them in the hall. She heard Suzie say “Follow me to my house” and Stacy replied “Okay I will”. It was 2am. At 9am the friend and her boyfriend arrive at Susie’s house, they were concerned because Suzie and Stacy were supposed to meet up at the friends house to go to ‘White Water’ in Branson. When they didn’t show the friend drove over to Susie’s house. They find the door unlocked, an outdoor porch light shade has been broken and the family dog is seemingly upset. There is no one at home but their cars are all still in the driveway. While the friend is there the phone rings and she answers and it is an obscene call. She hangs up and it happens again. The friend and boyfriend innocently sweep up the broken glass because the friend was barefooted. They leave and go to a different water park. As the day proceeds several people will enter the house innocently contaminating the crime scene. Stacy’s mother who has been calling all day and getting no reply eventually reports the three missing. 16 hours have passed. While at the Levitt home looking for the girls Stacy’s mother checks the voicemail and hears a ‘strange message’. Somehow it is deleted. LE has never disclosed, that I know of, what was said in that voicemail.

Every year I hope for a break. There is one guy in prison who says he knows what happened and even though he is in prison in TX he did live in Springfield at the time of the disappearance. Yet he says nothing of import. Just dangling that carrot.

I think the girls came home and something terrible was happening in Sherill Levitts room. LE know the girls got home and at least started getting ready for bed. They found the makeup remover pads where the girls removed their makeup. They found a Coke can half full next to a burnt down cigarette. Suzie and Stacy smoked. They found the clothes Stacy had been wearing neatly folded and laid on the bed. The TV was on but just showed snow. Suzie’s car was not parked in its regular place. According to a friend she always parked in the garage and was a ‘creature of habit’. She obviously took good care of her car.

So total speculation here…Did the girls call Sherill and tell her they were coming home that night? I don’t think so. They planned to stay at the friends and it was only after they got to her house and saw there were tons of relatives there and probably no place to comfortably sleep (these are teen age girls after all they don’t want to sleep on the living room couch with a bunch of people they don’t know parading around come morning) that they decide to go back to Suzies house. We know this because they told the friend and the friends mother heard them discuss it. Why didn’t they go back to Stacy’s house? My speculation is that Suzie was the only child in the home with a single mother so they could probably do whatever they wanted like smoke cigarettes, play TV late and usual teen age stuff. I believe that Sherill probably wasn’t too strict. So they pull up and Suzie does not park in the garage…why? Was there perhaps a vehicle already parked in the garage? Did Sherill have boyfriends over from time to time when Suzie was out? I could see Suzie and Stacy coming in at 2:15am and seeing a car parked in the garage that they probably didn’t know whose was and laughing and saying something like “Ooo moms caught this time she didn’t know we would be back”. So they think nothing about going inside. Maybe they’re curious as to who moms boyfriend is. They just don’t know it’s NOT a boyfriend but a killer. Probably a rapist too. Maybe that was his initial intention.

So one of them gets a Coke out of the fridge. They probably make some noise. The killer had to hear their cars pull up. He has not killed Sherill at this point and tells her to be quiet for the life of her daughter. They go upstairs to Suzies room and start to get ready for bed. They turn on TV and put a video tape in the VCR to watch. Where is the family dog? Unknown. Probably running around the house. Maybe it has come into Suzies room. One of them lights a cigarette. They have removed their makeup. Then something happens. Maybe Sherill started fighting this guy. Yelling for the girls to run. He must have had a gun. Somehow one man got control of three people. It probably wouldn’t be hard. Hold the gun on mother and tell the girls he will blow her away if they don’t do what he wants.

At some point all the women’s pocket books were put together in Suzies room. Why? Who knows. Maybe he was looking for something. He didn’t take her money. $800 was still in Sherills purse…the deposit from her salon. How did he know the daughter wouldn’t be there that night? I have always thought that Sherill knew the killer. Maybe not well. Maybe just an acquaintance or a neighbor or a man who came into her salon. Someone she told that Suzie would be gone for the night with friends. He most likely drove there and parked in the driveway. There was no sign of forced entry. I would say he knocked the lamp off the light on purpose maybe to get Sherill to open the door to see what the noise was. Maybe he did it quietly then knocked on the door and when Sherill tried to turn on the light it didn’t work but she opened the door anyway. Maybe the door was unlocked.

I read somewhere that a woman thought she saw Sherill that morning at 7am driving a green van. It was never verified. It could have been her easily. He couldn’t have driven them…he had to control 3 people. Why didn’t he kill them there in the home? Why did he want their bodies hidden? Maybe he kept them alive for awhile. Horrible to think about. So where are their bodies?

It haunts me.

Sorry if too long…

TLDR - The Springfield Three missing and no bodies found for 30+years and no good suspects.

I lived in Springfield and in high school when they disappeared. It's sad. Is the person who took them ever gonna be found.

 

[ilovewings]

Coming up on the 50th anniversary of the disappearance of teamster boss Jimmy Hoffa. Abducted from a metro-Detroit restaurant on July 30, 1975. Declared dead in 1982. Hoffa's body has never been located.

I dont think there,is,a body to recover- he may have been killed and then incinerated or his body was destroyed in some other way