What does Linda Arndt know?

[madeleine]

Facing the truth or other people's perspectives is often educational. Even if you don't agree with them. Sometimes in their voices there are small truths that come to light.

:facepalm: didn't you say the other day,quote

There is no reason to give respect to an opinion you don't agree with. He is entitled to it but I don't have to respect it.

Just as you don't have to respect my opinion.. Only my right to say it and post it and talk about it.

The opinion itself has to earn respect.

what IS your opinion re this case besides the R's didn't do it?

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

:facepalm: didn't you say the other day,quote



what IS your opinion re this case besides the R's didn't do it?

My opinion is that someone else was there that night. I cannot get around it with other DNA at the scene and the way the crime was committed.


There is nothing that cancels that out for me.


We don't have to respect the opinion by signing on and participating in this place you never know what you may miss that may be eye opening for you.

 

[madeleine]

My opinion is that someone else was there that night. I cannot get around it with other DNA at the scene and the way the crime was committed.


There is nothing that cancels that out for me.


We don't have to respect the opinion by signing on and participating in this place you never know what you may miss that may be eye opening for you.

well ,if you wanna rely only on touch DNA at the crime scene >>>>there were 6 intruders there that night.do you really believe this?

 

[madeleine]

or will you do just what ML did...conveniently speak only about the touch DNA in the panties

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

well ,if you wanna rely only on touch DNA at the crime scene >>>>there were 6 intruders there that night.do you really believe this?

You can not count BR touch DNA and then discount the other touch DNA.

If it is there you have to find the source. It only takes one of those sources to find someone who did this. Just one. It does not have to be all of them.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

or will you do just what ML did...conveniently speak only about the touch DNA in the panties

Sarcasm aside, That touch DNA has to be sourced before it can be discounted. BR DNA should be around the house and on other people so that matters little and does not have merit as a reason to believe he did anything to her. It only means he touched her clothing at some point. It did not have to be that night.

 

[Venom]

Does anyone know how long touch dna stays on surfaces?
Can it be washed off in the wash? Was there anyone else's touch dna on the nightie?

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Does anyone know how long touch dna stays on surfaces?
Can it be washed off in the wash? Was there anyone else's touch dna on the nightie?

I think the answer is it depends.. Sometimes a while and sometimes not.

http://www.ryanforensicdna.com/yahoo_site_admin/assets/docs/Touch_DNA_article.59101908.pdf

If you skip to TDNA persistence you will see it can vary greatly.

 

[DeeDee249]

Does anyone know how long touch dna stays on surfaces?
Can it be washed off in the wash? Was there anyone else's touch dna on the nightie?

Touch DNA is skin cells on the surface. So yes, it can be washed away and wiped away. Left alone, it will remain until it is disturbed in some way. Skin cells also degrade as they are biological material.
I had read BR's touch DNA was on the nightie, and also Patsy's I believe.

 

[Venom]

Touch DNA is skin cells on the surface. So yes, it can be washed away and wiped away. Left alone, it will remain until it is disturbed in some way. Skin cells also degrade as they are biological material.
I had read BR's touch DNA was on the nightie, and also Patsy's I believe.

So, would it be fairly safe to assume that the touch dna on the nightie would have been on it from after it was washed? What I mean is: JB wears the nightie one night, it is then laundered and put away, the touch dna on it comes from whoever handled it after it was put away.
And since the panties were brand new, just out of the pack; it's possible that the touch dna is from a factory worker?
I did read an article on yahoo a few weeks ago on whether you should wash your new clothes. It said you should because your clothes get handled by a lot of people in the factories.

 

[madeleine]

I wonder whose touch DNA is on the waistband(besides the unknown one) ,if the R's told the truth PR's must be on it cause it's been said she put the pants on.
If the 12size panties were a new pair then the R's touch DNA can't be on it.If it is they would be in trouble and IMO it's one of the reason why PR said they were stored in the drawer.(been touched before by the family).

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I wonder whose touch DNA is on the waistband(besides the unknown one) ,if the R's told the truth PR's must be on it cause it's been said she put the pants on.
If the 12size panties were a new pair then the R's touch DNA can't be on it.If it is they would be in trouble and IMO it's one of the reason why PR said they were stored in the drawer.(been touched before by the family).

She is exluded from that tdna, It does not matter if the panties were new or not. It only matters who touched them.. If they are new out of the pack, Then that means that someone involved touched her and the panties and possibly left there tdna that has not been identified. .

I am looking at more tdna cases where it was used to charge a perp.

 

[Venom]

She is exluded from that tdna, It does not matter if the panties were new or not. It only matters who touched them.. If they are new out of the pack, Then that means that someone involved touched her and the panties and possibly left there tdna that has not been identified. .

I am looking at more tdna cases where it was used to charge a perp.

Not necessarily. The tdna could also be from a factory worker who folded and packed the panties and not at all by whoever was involved.
Or since PR admitted that she put the pants on and her tdna isn't there, does that mean that she didn't put them on? Or that her tdna just isn't there?

 

[Venom]

I'd still like to know more about tdna. I did read through the article you posted, Scarlett, but it really wasn't clear on how long tdna can stay on clothing.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Not necessarily. The tdna could also be from a factory worker who folded and packed the panties and not at all by whoever was involved.
Or since PR admitted that she put the pants on and her tdna isn't there, does that mean that she didn't put them on? Or that her tdna just isn't there?

Not having TDNa is not a big deal. In reading about tdna there are a lot of factors in how it is left. I don't know if the people in china roll them up and stick them in the package of it they are rolled by machine.

What I do know it is DNA that does not match the family and it needs to be part of the equation. You can not assume it means nothing..

It is there and is part of the crime scene, until it is sourced it should be considered that it could be a match for the killer.

 

[Venom]

Not assuming it means nothing, just pointing out that it's possible to be from someone not even connected to the case.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

You are correct, but as long as the possibility is there, it can not be ignored.

 

[etamine]

I rewatched that interview, and I have to wonder about that meeting she was told was the reason she didn't receive backup.

Why would there be a meeting on the morning of boxing day? Who would schedule a meeting involving everyone but Arndt the day after Christmas unless something big had happened? And if it was just JB's 'kidnapping', why not send another detective when LA requested backup if that was all that was being discussed?

 

[DeeDee249]

I rewatched that interview, and I have to wonder about that meeting she was told was the reason she didn't receive backup.

Why would there be a meeting on the morning of boxing day? Who would schedule a meeting involving everyone but Arndt the day after Christmas unless something big had happened? And if it was just JB's 'kidnapping', why not send another detective when LA requested backup if that was all that was being discussed?

Boxing Day (Dec 26th) isn't celebrated here in the US- most don't even know what it is. At the time, it was originally said that the BPD was short-handed because of the Christmas holidays- many officers were on vacation or took the week off because schools were closed.

 

[etamine]

Boxing Day (Dec 26th) isn't celebrated here in the US- most don't even know what it is. At the time, it was originally said that the BPD was short-handed because of the Christmas holidays- many officers were on vacation or took the week off because schools were closed.

In the interview LA says on the phone she was told that everyone was in a meeting - if she was told they were shorthanded, that'd be understandable but a meeting? Especially while understandably shortstaffed and a kidnapping investigation for a young girl is going on? Either excuse would make postponing it reasonable.

If that meeting did happen, I wonder whether LA knew about it prior, or whether it was scheduled the morning of the 26th.