What happened to Rebecca Zahau?

[Tink56]

Who was the detective and when did he/she try to reach her?

Thanks! I was afraid I was the only person who didn't know about this.

I don't remember hearing about these calls....

 

[Sharyne]

Thanks! I was afraid I was the only person who didn't know about this.

I don't remember hearing about these calls....

You're welcome. I have read where some have posted that Nina was complaining about Rebecca not taking calls from detectives, but never saw an official source for that. But I got the impression MyBelle was saying that a detective tried to call Rebecca AFTER Jonah's message that caused her to commit suicide. Maybe I'm just confused?

Was the thread TIMELINE removed? When I click on it I get a message that I don't have access to it, how does one get that?

 

[freespeech]

IMO, in was more of an angry suicide than a sad suicide. Perhaps Jonah's last message also said it was time for her to move out? To me, its like a last, big message to Jonah from Rebecca.

There was no last message just a text from Nina at 10:41 PM and then someone, we don't know who, accessed her voice mail at 12:50 PM. Her phone never showed a call from Jonah. No one here at least to my knowledge has ever seen his phone call/text records.

 

[screecher]

I can only go by what is known. To investigators in this case, there was a clear reason to conclude suicide. It came after she was told Max's injuries would be fatal and a detective tried to reach her by telephone. More importantly, there was no evidence of homicide. Nobody stood in the doorway of the house and heaved a body over the railing of the balcony outside.

JMO

RBM

When and who told Rebecca?

BTW...Nobody stood in the second floor landing of the house and heaved a body over the railing to the foyer below.

 

[freespeech]

Some may remember this but there were some early articles where AB stated to the press that a LEO told her that Rebecca reported that Max had been planking on the rail and that the older siblings were home when he fell. Most of those articles were scrubbed but a few may still be around. Does anyone remember this?

Here is one link that has been partially scrubbed but I am going to try and find the unscrubbed version.

http://weirdcrime.net/tag/max-shacknai/

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

According to investigators MS's death was an accident. RZ was not guilty she had no reason to blame herself and every reason to prove herself innocent. That would have been her mind set at the time and LE evidence backs this up. This girl was a strong woman who apparently knew a marshal art and taught herself to swim to compete in an athletic event. She did not previously crumble during difficult situations.

You can't compare an athletic event to a little 6-year old boy having an accident while you are the one watching him that leaves him in the ICU and brain dead, IMO. That's a lot more than just a "difficult situation." IMO

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

Coopzoo, here is the link you requested about only 2 people at a time being allowed in the ICU room at a time:

"Rebecca didn't get to visit Max in the ICU as much as she might have liked because hospital policy prevented more than two persons from visiting the bedside, but she cared deeply for Max and did have an opportunity to visit him," a source close to the situation tells us.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...iego-police-willing-reopen-case-ruled-suicide

 

[screecher]

You're welcome. I have read where some have posted that Nina was complaining about Rebecca not taking calls from detectives, but never saw an official source for that. But I got the impression MyBelle was saying that a detective tried to call Rebecca AFTER Jonah's message that caused her to commit suicide. Maybe I'm just confused?

Was the thread TIMELINE removed? When I click on it I get a message that I don't have access to it, how does one get that?

You'd have to pm the mod. :banghead:

 

[freespeech]

Some may remember this but there were some early articles where AB stated to the press that a LEO told her that Rebecca reported that Max had been planking on the rail and that the older siblings were home when he fell. Most of those articles were scrubbed the last part out but a few may still be around. Does anyone remember this?

Here is one link that has been partially scrubbed but I am going to try and find the unscrubbed version.

http://weirdcrime.net/tag/max-shacknai/

Here's the unscrubbed version that stated the two older siblings were at home when Max had the accident.

http://www.expertbriefings.com/news/dead-ceo-girlfriend-death-ruled-suicide/

 

[*Lash*]

In my opinion when a PR firm is successful in changing an MSM report, it can cause a reader to question their intentions. For example...Was the report inaccurate or did influence change the story? A person may question what was so important in the report that it had to be changed instead of updated? In regards to RZ and the planking reference, changing the report actually kept the story alive. I don't know if Max was planking or what children were in the home. In my opinion trying to scrub the story instead of just explaining the inconsistencies only created more suspicion and doubt.

Shacknai hired a PR firm, Sitrick & Co., less than a week after Rebecca Zahau Nalepa's death. Executives at that agency have had a series of off-the-record conversations with reporters whom the agency believes have made mistakes in their coverage.

Media coverage has changed: A source close to the case told BNET that Rebecca told her family she believed Max, Shacknai's 6-year-old son, may have been "planking" on a stair rail before he suffered a fatal fall two days before she died. (Planking is a fad in which people photograph themselves lying face down in unusual locations.) USA Today initially published a story that included the planking reference, but that word was removed from later editions, as these images of Google's cache of two older versions of the story show:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505123_...on-on-death-of-his-girlfriend/?tag=bnetdomain

 

[screecher]

I, too, remember it was said Maxie was planking and his two older half-siblings were there. And also, they didn't fly out till afternoon. Can't find the link. It's been over a year.

Perhaps someone here has it?

freespeech the terms 'scrubbed' and 'unscrubbed' are spot on.

 

[freespeech]

You can't compare an athletic event to a little 6-year old boy having an accident while you are the one watching him that leaves him in the ICU and brain dead, IMO. That's a lot more than just a "difficult situation." IMO

Why would she feel responsible? Of course she felt bad about it. Who wouldn't? However, there is a world of difference in feeling bad and sad over a tragic event from feeling responsible and guilty of being the reason for the event.

Hypothetically speaking, it the two older siblings were there why shouldn't she allow her self to use the restroom. Two teenagers are capable of keeping an eye on a six year old, no?

Unfortunately, tragic accidents happen all the time, especially to children. Accidental death is the number one cause of childhood mortality in the United States. The type of accident that Max had seemingly happened in the blink of an eye and could have happened with any supervising adult including his parents.

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

I would think most women would be devastated over an accident like Max's, IMO. I know I would.

 

[freespeech]

I would think most women would be devastated over an accident like Max's, IMO. I know I would.

I think the woman who be be devastated the most would be the mother. I think when accidents happen there is no rational ability to find an answer for why did this happen to my child. I think most other people would feel bad and sad.

Even though Rebecca stated in her text to Mary that she thought of Max as her own child she also acknowledged that he was not her child. I think she was being realistic when she stated she needed to stay strong.

I think staying strong is a conscious decision that a person makes even in devastating circumstances. I have seen people I know make that decision many times. I wholly believe that Rebecca made the decision not to fall apart but to stay strong. I don't think that there was anything wrong with that.

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

I think the woman who be be devastated the most would be the mother. I think when accidents happen there is no rational ability to find an answer for why did this happen to my child. I think most other people would feel bad and sad.

Even though Rebecca stated in her text to Mary that she thought of Max as her own child she also acknowledged that he was not her child. I think she was being realistic when she stated she needed to stay strong.

I think staying strong is a conscious decision that a person makes even in devastating circumstances. I have seen people I know make that decision many times. I wholly believe that Rebecca made the decision not to fall apart but to stay strong. I don't think that there was anything wrong with that.

Well, she obviously did NOT stay strong so she sure was upset about SOMETHING, IMO.

 

[freespeech]

Well, she obviously did NOT stay strong so she sure was upset about SOMETHING, IMO.

You are entitled to your opinion. However, since you probably were not there then you don't really know whether she stayed strong or not.

Since she did not have a history of mental illness, drug and alcohol abuse and violent behavior I tend to think that she was already a strong person to begin.

In addition, she made the resolve to be strong and stated it to her sister. Imo, that implied that she did not plan to allow herself to fall to pieces. Instead she decided to focus her energy on helping Jonah to get through the crisis.

Imo, she was true to her word. She was there for Jonah 100%. She picked up and dropped off his various friends and relatives, possibly kept silent about details of Max's accident that might reflect poorly on his family and boarded the dog so she could be available for him. She also planned to bring him clothes and breakfast the next morning.

Strong people keep themselves together during a crisis so the weaker ones have an anchor. She did not do anything wrong by staying strong for the people she loved. Jmo.

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

You are entitled to your opinion. However, since you probably were not there then you don't really know whether she stayed strong or not.

Since she did not have a history of mental illness, drug and alcohol abuse and violent behavior I tend to think that she was already a strong person to begin.

In addition, she made the resolve to be strong and stated it to her sister. Imo, that implied that she did not plan to allow herself to fall to pieces. Instead she decided to focus her energy on helping Jonah to get through the crisis.

Imo, she was true to her word. She was there for Jonah 100%. She picked up and dropped off his various friends and relatives, possibly kept silent about details of Max's accident that might reflect poorly on his family and boarded the dog so she could be available for him. She also planned to bring him clothes and breakfast the next morning.

Strong people keep themselves together during a crisis so the weaker ones have an anchor. She did not do anything wrong by staying strong for the people she loved. Jmo.

So by your reasoning, anyone that does "have a history of mental illness, drug and alcohol abuse and violent behavior" is a strong person?

I see Rebecca's last email much differently that you:

9:48PM RZ OUT TO MARY:
Not okay but better. No swelling detected and they have decreased the amount of coma. And he said he seem more alive. I can't believe this. It's a nightmare and particularly it's hard for me bcoz I love him like my own but he is not and I need to be strong for Jonah..

9:52PM IN FROM MARY:
I know

9:53PM IN FROM MARY:
Got xena heading home

9:53PM RZ OUT TO MARY:
[??] Goodnight. Love u

So when Rebecca writes, " I can't believe this. It's a nightmare and particularly it's hard for me bcoz I love him like my own but he is not and I need to be strong for Jonah.."

Mary simply answers, "I know"

"It's a NIGHTMARE....HARD FOR ME...LOVE HIM LIKE MY OWN....I NEED TO BE STRONG...

Now to me, that is a cry for help. Rebecca had been going for two days after the accident, taking care of everyone and making sure everyone got where they needed to go. She didn't see Max. She was trying to be strong. Why didn't Mary pick up on this and CALL her and say, "Becky, go ahead and cry. Go ahead and let it out. I'm here for you. We'll get through this together". Mary says she knew Rebecca better than anyone (which I don't buy). But it that is true, why didn't she pick up on this text? It is clear to me that Rebecca was asking for help.

"I know".

 

[freespeech]

So by your reasoning, anyone that does "have a history of mental illness, drug and alcohol abuse and violent behavior" is a strong person?

I see Rebecca's last email much differently that you:

9:48PM RZ OUT TO MARY:
Not okay but better. No swelling detected and they have decreased the amount of coma. And he said he seem more alive. I can't believe this. It's a nightmare and particularly it's hard for me bcoz I love him like my own but he is not and I need to be strong for Jonah..

9:52PM IN FROM MARY:
I know

9:53PM IN FROM MARY:
Got xena heading home

9:53PM RZ OUT TO MARY:
[??] Goodnight. Love u

So when Rebecca writes, " I can't believe this. It's a nightmare and particularly it's hard for me bcoz I love him like my own but he is not and I need to be strong for Jonah.."

Mary simply answers, "I know"

"It's a NIGHTMARE....HARD FOR ME...LOVE HIM LIKE MY OWN....I NEED TO BE STRONG...

Now to me, that is a cry for help. Rebecca had been going for two days after the accident, taking care of everyone and making sure everyone got where they needed to go. She didn't see Max. She was trying to be strong. Why didn't Mary pick up on this and CALL her and say, "Becky, go ahead and cry. Go ahead and let it out. I'm here for you. We'll get through this together". Mary says she knew Rebecca better than anyone (which I don't buy). But it that is true, why didn't she pick up on this text? It is clear to me that Rebecca was asking for help.

"I know".

I think that how you interpret that statement would depend on how you define courage. Imo, courage is not the absence or denial of adversity but the willingness to face it in a positive and constructive manner despite your fears or doubts. I feel Rebecca was very courageous in her attempt to support Jonah through that terrible time. There have been no negative reports about her behavior then from outsiders.

Also, to face and deal with life's stresses without the crutch of alcohol, drugs, losing your mind and violent behavior is moral fortitude of a high caliber. I believe that Rebecca's mettle was of good quality. That is my opinion. Here are a few good quotes on the quality of courage but there are many, many more.

BBM

"Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear, not absence of fear.
Mark Twain

It is curious that physical courage should be so common in the world and moral courage so rare."
Mark Twain

Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/words/co/courage148983.html#9vu9GJOqUxo0GuAL.99

 

[MyBelle]

You are entitled to your opinion. However, since you probably were not there then you don't really know whether she stayed strong or not.

Since she did not have a history of mental illness, drug and alcohol abuse and violent behavior I tend to think that she was already a strong person to begin.

In addition, she made the resolve to be strong and stated it to her sister. Imo, that implied that she did not plan to allow herself to fall to pieces. Instead she decided to focus her energy on helping Jonah to get through the crisis.

Imo, she was true to her word. She was there for Jonah 100%. She picked up and dropped off his various friends and relatives, possibly kept silent about details of Max's accident that might reflect poorly on his family and boarded the dog so she could be available for him. She also planned to bring him clothes and breakfast the next morning.

Strong people keep themselves together during a crisis so the weaker ones have an anchor. She did not do anything wrong by staying strong for the people she loved. Jmo.

BBM

There is no excuse whatsoever for failing to provide full details pertaining to Max's injuries. If RZ did this, it certainly explains her suicide.

Boarding a dog, bring clothes, providing rides to the airport are not stressful activities nor do they require any "courage." <modsnip>
JMO

 

[freespeech]

You can't compare an athletic event to a little 6-year old boy having an accident while you are the one watching him that leaves him in the ICU and brain dead, IMO. That's a lot more than just a "difficult situation." IMO

Since it wasn't her fault then she shouldn't feel guilty. It would be foolish and non-productive for Rebecca to beat herself up for something she had no control over. She apparently felt bad that Max was hurt but did not feel personally responsible for his injuries because she knew she didn't cause them.

Rebecca was emotionally strong because she didn't fall apart and loose her mind. She felt bad for Max and Jonah and also for Dina so she tried to be helpful. She picked both Nina and Adam up from the airport. That was very nice of her to make her self available for errands and chores so Max's parents could concentrate on him. At least they didn't have to worry about minor details like transportation for out of town relatives.