What happened to Rebecca Zahau?

What do you think happened to Rebecca Zahau?

  • It was a suicide.

    Votes: 31 13.1%
  • It was not a suicide.

    Votes: 50 21.2%
  • It was a hired hit.

    Votes: 22 9.3%
  • It was a murder committed by someone angry about Max's accident.

    Votes: 106 44.9%
  • I am unsure of what really happened (on the fence).

    Votes: 27 11.4%

  • Total voters
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BBM

There is no excuse whatsoever for failing to provide full details pertaining to Max's injuries. If RZ did this, it certainly explains her suicide.

Boarding a dog, bring clothes, providing rides to the airport are not stressful activities nor do they require any "courage." <modsnip>
JMO

Rebecca didn't know what happened to Max. She didn't see the accident. She was in the bathroom. <modsnip>

Possibly JS shared with Rebecca about Dina's past history of violence toward him so he asked her not to say what happened. It seemed that Rebecca was afraid of Dina. <modsnip>.

I believe that Jonah was telling both Rebecca and Dina that Max would be alright. Rebecca thought he was recovering. Jonah may have been either handing out misinformation and/or withholding the truth about Max's prognosis. Dina should have been angry at him if she wasn't getting the correct information.

Also, the comment about courage was describing Rebecca's ability to perform her duties and tasks with grace under pressure. She did not fall apart or become non-functional. She continued on even though she was stressed out. I think it must have been very stressful for her to have to pickup Jonah and Dina's siblings, board the dog, send her sister home and everything else she did.

It was an incredibly stressful time for everyone. Rebecca appeared to handle the situation with grace as evidenced by her gentle text message to her sister, Mary. JMO.
 
Rebecca didn't know what happened to Max. She didn't see the accident. She was in the bathroom. Since the older siblings may have been there and Max may have been planking with them maybe JS asked her not to say anything to Dina about it until he spoke with his lawyer. May be Jonah was afraid that Dina would sue him.

Possibly JS shared with Rebecca about Dina's past history of violence toward him so he asked her not to say what happened. It seemed that Rebecca was afraid of Dina. LE heard her say that Dina was going to kill her.

The kids planking while RZ was in the ( bathroom /shower) makes so much sense to me. Since I first read it, ( thanks to you FreeSpeech) it has been the only piece that can explain the entire course of events- especially the cone of silence. It would make a lot of sense that the teens could/would be cheering MS to plank in the location perpendicular to the chandelier- as a photo from any direction would be daring ( plank worthy).Speaking as a youngest kid in the family- younger kids will do just about anything to get attention and be included by older siblings.

I can imagine if RZ was repeatedly telling them not to do it at all- that that is when they would obviously do it -when she was preoccupied in the shower.

Then the crash- typical teen denial ..."we don't know how it happened"..."it just happened." Maybe the dog " Ocean" actually was somehow involved in the accident scene. ( he came by and MS lost his balance) I can also see JS wanting to keep silent on the matter with regard to DS and the public too. Makes much sense. The two from first marriage... would have been a target of huge amount of blame and Fall- out!

I honestly think this is a serious but not new trend. People will take extreme actions to protect themselves and their families, in the face of accidents which could have personal or legal ramifications. A fiercer form of vigilanteism has emerged in our litigious and high stakes society.
 
...Rebecca was emotionally strong because she didn't fall apart and loose her mind...

True. She didn't drink alcohol, take drugs, spend time sleeping nor did she go 'missing' for 10, 12 hours.

She was always available to all who had anything to do with Maxie.

No-one had to go searching for her(well, Nina said SHE did). Her whereabouts were always known.
 
Snipped for context -
Now to me, that is a cry for help. Rebecca had been going for two days after the accident, taking care of everyone and making sure everyone got where they needed to go. She didn't see Max. She was trying to be strong. Why didn't Mary pick up on this and CALL her and say, "Becky, go ahead and cry. Go ahead and let it out. I'm here for you. We'll get through this together". Mary says she knew Rebecca better than anyone (which I don't buy). But it that is true, why didn't she pick up on this text? It is clear to me that Rebecca was asking for help.

"I know".

RBM - How do you know Mary didn't say these words to Rebecca? What you provided is one email (with no link). Mary and Rebecca shared several text messages and phone calls during these days. There is no way you could know every word that was exchanged between the two of them.
 
In my opinion, it appears nothing Rebecca did was right.

Nina's purpose for wanting to talk to Rebecca that night doesn't appear to be because Dina asked Nina to beg Rebecca. Nina does not mention this at all. Nina was first suspicious of Rebecca because of a hug.

Reporter:
Right - Why did you go by there, what was the purpose of you, you know - knocking on the door and what did you do while you were there?

Nina:
Okay - so this was, this was the reason why. The reason why was that Rebecca picked me up from the airport - when I got in on Monday night - my son and I. And of course when I first (inaudible) she got out of the car. She opened up her trunk(it was an SUV)I thought she was getting out of the car to open up the trunk so I could put my luggage in there. She walked to the back of the car. She saw me. She said Nina - I am so glad that you're here. She was crying. She gave me this big bear hug. She put her - like her face in my neck area. And just embraced me. But it was to the extent that she didn't let go. Like it was a bear hug and she didn't let go. To the extent where somebody has you - that you start to get uncomfortable and you kinda start pulling away. Like something was weird about this. And I - you know - said I'm glad I'm here too you know. Thank you for picking me up. But I got this really weird vibe from it. Because I didn't know Rebecca that well. I mean I sorta met her two - or three - I believe - two times before. And that was it - um - my nephews birthday party. We were all at my nephew's birthday party together. My sister - Rebecca, Jonah - his parents - and other children. We had a bonfire on the beach. We were all there together. Everything was fine (and then I met - school functions) I met her as well - my nephew's school function...So we got in the car. The first thing I said was - Rebecca what happened? I said I got different pieces - I don't understand this. She was driving to the hospital - which I have - was under the impression she had already been to? And I said what happened - I don't understand I heard Maxie was walking up the stairs and he had a cardiac arrest? I said - I - that makes no sense to me. I said he is six years old - he's a healthy boy – he, he plays soccer - he plays sports - I don't understand. And then she looked at me and she said - I KNOW. And that was it. And I said - um okay - well, where did he fall from? Did he fall from the first of the stairs - the middle landing - the next set of stairs going up the top landing by the bedroom - where did he fall from? She said twice - he fell from the bedroom - he fell from the bedroom. And I looked at her and I said - well - how do you know that? I - I thought you didn't see him? No answer. (inaudible) Then she said - are you good with directions - and she handed me her cell phone. And it caught me off guard and I said - well I guess - if it tells me where to go - talking about the phone - she was getting lost going to the hospital. (inaudible) she would not speak about the accident again. Not one word.

http://www.cbs8.com/story/15982091/exclusive-max-shacknais-aunt-talks-about-coronado-mansion-deaths
 
In my opinion, it appears nothing Rebecca did was right.

Nina's purpose for wanting to talk to Rebecca that night doesn't appear to be because Dina asked Nina to beg Rebecca. Nina does not mention this at all. Nina was first suspicious of Rebecca because of a hug.


Something is very wrong when you ask someone a question and it takes an entire paragraph of WHATEVER before they even start to answer your question. And, she's trying to make the 'hug' into something nefarious? :waitasec:Geesh
 
True. She didn't drink alcohol, take drugs, spend time sleeping nor did she go 'missing' for 10, 12 hours.

She was always available to all who had anything to do with Maxie.

No-one had to go searching for her(well, Nina said SHE did). Her whereabouts were always known.


Available, but not answering questions, IMO.
 
I wonder if Jonah knew more than he said? I wonder if the sisters questioned him at all? After all he was there with the older kids that morning too.

Yes, the Shacknai brothers are both quiet as mice IMO. Smart on their part probably. Now the twin sisters on the other hand.............
 
There were no older children there that morning, only Max, RZ, and XZ Maybe Anne will FINALLY clear that up on Dr. Phil?
 
There were no older children there that morning, only Max, RZ, and XZ Maybe Anne will FINALLY clear that up on Dr. Phil?

I also hope Anne does clear this up soon. I have read theories that RZ and JS were at the gym together. I have read theories about the children and planking. I have read theories XZ was not in the shower because her hair was not wet. I have read theories JS was home during the accident that he had came home when XZ was in the shower. XZ surely could not testify to where JS was at the actual time of the accident, she was in the shower. I would definitely like to see SDSO or AB clear up this detail.
 
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Originally Posted by MyBelle View Post
I can only go by what is known. To investigators in this case, there was a clear reason to conclude suicide. It came after she was told Max's injuries would be fatal and a detective tried to reach her by telephone. More importantly, there was no evidence of homicide. Nobody stood in the doorway of the house and heaved a body over the railing of the balcony outside.

JMO

Originally Posted by Sharyne
Who was the detective and when did he/she try to reach her?

MyBelle, you must have missed my post to you, see post 600http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8320976&postcount=600
Could you please find a link to your statement about the detective? TIA
 
Since it wasn't her fault then she shouldn't feel guilty. It would be foolish and non-productive for Rebecca to beat herself up for something she had no control over. She apparently felt bad that Max was hurt but did not feel personally responsible for his injuries because she knew she didn't cause them.

Rebecca was emotionally strong because she didn't fall apart and loose her mind. She felt bad for Max and Jonah and also for Dina so she tried to be helpful. She picked both Nina and Adam up from the airport. That was very nice of her to make her self available for errands and chores so Max's parents could concentrate on him. At least they didn't have to worry about minor details like transportation for out of town relatives.

Rebecca was emotionally strong because she didn't fall apart and lose her mind. She felt bad for Max and Jonah and also for Dina so she tried to be helpful. She picked both Nina and Adam up from the airport. That was very nice of her to make her self available for errands and chores so Max's parents could concentrate on him. At least they didn't have to worry about minor details like transportation for out of town relatives.[/QUOTE]

Very nice post, freespeech, and a good reminder of how Rebecca SHOULD be remembered-- helping Max's parents deal with the myriad details of a crisis right up until her very suspicious death. There are so many things a lesser person might have done-- stayed a day or so, then left town so as not to be in the way, etc. But Rebecca didn't just go thru the motions-- she was busting her tail to help whereever she could.

She was banned from the bedside in ICU (either by Dina's edict or by Rebecca's own sensitivity to the sitution), and instead, was knocking herself out shuttling Jonah's ex- SIL and her son from the airport, shuttling Jonah's friend to the airport, delivering Nina's luggage, etc. AND getting her own sister taken care of and back home and out of the way of the crisis. What I see is a woman committed to helping these people, EVEN helping the ex-wife who hated her before the accident, and the ex-wife's sister-- who presumably wasn't Rebecca's best friend.

She didn't disappear. She didn't turn off her phone and become unavailable. She was THERE, present, and accounted for every minute until her tragic and very suspicious death. She was IN the hospital at the restaurant. The police could have found her in person at any moment if they had wanted to, so I'm just not buying the story that Rebecca was somehow "ducking" the investigator's phone call. I call complete BS on that. No investigator tries once and gives up. If it was necessary or imperative to speak with her (either LE or the doctors), they would have shown up with lights and sirens.

IMO, Rebecca acted with incredible grace and poise under pressure during the first day of Max's hospitalization, and the last days of her life. She was MORE than kind to the family of a woman who hated her before the accident happened. She demonstrated a lot more class, and a lot more humanity and kindness in her actions after the accident toward Dina and her sister, than Dina and her sister have shown since Rebecca's death toward her. And THAT tells me a lot about Rebecca's character and integrity, compared to what I can see of Dina and Nina's character and integrity. Rebecca acted with class and integrity. IMO, their public comments about Rebecca have been tasteless, uncouth, and vindictive in a very immature and low class way. And if the public comments are this immature and tasteless, how much worse might their private comments be? Think about that for a minute.

I hope Rebecca is remembered for those acts of kindness, and her helpfulness, loyalty, and integrity in the days before she died, rather than for the hate and nastiness spewed in the media about her from these 2 women after she died. Even a year later, Dina continues to spew hateful and tasteless comments about dead Rebecca in interviews and TV appearances. Even if she did commit suicide, that is just so trashy. Think about that-- smearing a woman who may have killed herself in a monent of true mental crisis. Either way-- murdered or suicide, it is incredibly trashy to speak ill of the dead in this manner in public interviews. None of those comments had anything to do with Max's death, or reopening an investigation into Max's death-- just pure trash for the sake of saying something nasty. That just tells me so much about a person. And none of it is good, IMO. Then again, money can't always buy class.
 
KNOCK IT OFF! Do NOT make baseless accusations. LINK EVERYTHING at this point.

My patience has worn very thin with all this bashing of RZ and Dina. If you can't link it (yes, everytime), you can't say it.

Salem
 
Rebecca was emotionally strong because she didn't fall apart and lose her mind. She felt bad for Max and Jonah and also for Dina so she tried to be helpful. She picked both Nina and Adam up from the airport. That was very nice of her to make her self available for errands and chores so Max's parents could concentrate on him. At least they didn't have to worry about minor details like transportation for out of town relatives.

Very nice post, freespeech, and a good reminder of how Rebecca SHOULD be remembered-- helping Max's parents deal with the myriad details of a crisis right up until her very suspicious death. There are so many things a lesser person might have done-- stayed a day or so, then left town so as not to be in the way, etc. But Rebecca didn't just go thru the motions-- she was busting her tail to help whereever she could.

She was banned from the bedside in ICU (either by Dina's edict or by Rebecca's own sensitivity to the sitution), and instead, was knocking herself out shuttling Jonah's ex- SIL and her son from the airport, shuttling Jonah's friend to the airport, delivering Nina's luggage, etc. AND getting her own sister taken care of and back home and out of the way of the crisis. What I see is a woman committed to helping these people, EVEN helping the ex-wife who hated her before the accident, and the ex-wife's sister-- who presumably wasn't Rebecca's best friend.

She didn't disappear. She didn't turn off her phone and become unavailable. She was THERE, present, and accounted for every minute until her tragic and very suspicious death. She was IN the hospital at the restaurant. The police could have found her in person at any moment if they had wanted to, so I'm just not buying the story that Rebecca was somehow "ducking" the investigator's phone call. I call complete BS on that. No investigator tries once and gives up. If it was necessary or imperative to speak with her (either LE or the doctors), they would have shown up with lights and sirens.

IMO, Rebecca acted with incredible grace and poise under pressure during the first day of Max's hospitalization, and the last days of her life. She was MORE than kind to the family of a woman who hated her before the accident happened. She demonstrated a lot more class, and a lot more humanity and kindness in her actions after the accident toward Dina and her sister, than Dina and her sister have shown since Rebecca's death toward her. And THAT tells me a lot about Rebecca's character and integrity, compared to what I can see of Dina and Nina's character and integrity. Rebecca acted with class and integrity. IMO, their public comments about Rebecca have been tasteless, uncouth, and vindictive in a very immature and low class way. And if the public comments are this immature and tasteless, how much worse might their private comments be? Think about that for a minute.

I hope Rebecca is remembered for those acts of kindness, and her helpfulness, loyalty, and integrity in the days before she died, rather than for the hate and nastiness spewed in the media about her from these 2 women after she died. Even a year later, Dina continues to spew hateful and tasteless comments about dead Rebecca in interviews and TV appearances. Even if she did commit suicide, that is just so trashy. Think about that-- smearing a woman who may have killed herself in a monent of true mental crisis. Either way-- murdered or suicide, it is incredibly trashy to speak ill of the dead in this manner in public interviews. None of those comments had anything to do with Max's death, or reopening an investigation into Max's death-- just pure trash for the sake of saying something nasty. That just tells me so much about a person. And none of it is good, IMO. Then again, money can't always buy class.[/quote]


Thank you - very well said. I believe Rebecca went the whole 9 yards to be helpful to everyone. I can only hope I would be that big of a person in a similar situation.
 
There were no older children there that morning, only Max, RZ, and XZ Maybe Anne will FINALLY clear that up on Dr. Phil?

Where were the older children that morning? Where was Jonah that morning? Are there any links anywhere that provide a factual basis for their whereabouts? If the families are upset about posters questioning this wouldn't they have released the information to put the matter to rest and quiet the talk?

I also wonder if Max or the other kids ever planked in the past, were ever caught in the act or disciplined because of it?
 
It is interesting that DS and NR are blabbing away to the media saying all kinds of things.. giving themselves alibis.... defending themselves... but AS and JS... not a word... what does that mean?

Well JS sure doesn't control DS... or NR the sister....

And JS certainly has a style of PR control.... so it seems to me AS is under JS's control.
AS is a very strong suspect... was actually given a lie detector test... and it was inconclusive... but not a word to defend himself.... you would think the brother would use his PR money to defend his brother.... we only saw JS use the PR to defend his children and his company.... but not his brother... there is that scrubbed story about the children being in the home the morning of the terrible death of MS...

Maybe JS does suspect AS in the death of RZ... or it is very convenient to have all the attention taken off JS and put on AS? And who exactly was that fancy pants lawyer representing that morning? He can't say... but what he does say is so telling.. IT IS NOT JS.... that was important to make sure people knew.... why? Why wouldn't the lawyer just say so.... and he goes on NEVER SPOKE TO HIM.... again very important to mention that... why even say that...my guess is.... JS gave AS the name and number....
 
Oh actually... what ex-wife doesn't trash the ex-husband especially after their son dies while in his care.. on his shift so to speak? JS controls DS legally... it is just plain weird she doesn't hold him responsible and does not mention his name.... almost like she can't afford to attack JS.... the only person DS can attack is RZ.... because she can not speak for herself....

What if.... what if AS is re-investigated for the death of RZ... how convenient it would be for JS to not help him.... if they were both involved.... how hard would it be to get AS to spill the beans if he was charged.... oh this could get very interesting..
 
Do you have a link that shows where they were on the morning of 7/11/11?


According to reports pieced together from several sources, between 6 and 7 a.m. on Monday, July 11, the twice-divorced Shacknai and his 6-year-old son, Max, drove his other children—Ethan, 13, and Gabby, 14—to the San Diego airport for a flight to Phoenix, where they were meeting their mother.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2011/09/18/what-really-happened-in-the-coronado-mansion.html
 
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