What happened to Rebecca Zahau?

[freespeech]

The majority of LE that I know do the job professionally. I have no reason to believe the multiple LE agencies involved in the investigation into RZ's death were anything other than professional or that their conclusions were incompetent.
JMO

I think most are probably competent and honest too but it's difficult to assess under the current leadership. I personally do not believe a word Gore says. I don't believe he assumes any responsibility for all the mistakes in judgement he has made that cost thousands of lives.

He also doesn't learn from his mistakes but keeps repeating them and innocents die because of it. I wouldn't trust anything he said past the tip of my nose and that is just my opinion as always. So any investigation that Gore handled I would automatically question from the inside out. I'm not a fan of his and I don't automatically believe every word that comes out of his mouth but take it all with a huge grain of salt and a ton of skepticism. Jmoo.

 

[MyBelle]

I think most are probably competent and honest too but it's difficult to assess under the current leadership. I personally do not believe a word Gore says. I don't believe he assumes any responsibility for all the mistakes in judgement he has made that cost thousands of lives.

He also doesn't learn from his mistakes but keeps repeating them and innocents die because of it. I wouldn't trust anything he said past the tip of my nose and that is just my opinion as always. So any investigation that Gore handled I would automatically question from the inside out. I'm not a fan of his and I don't automatically believe every word that comes out of his mouth but take it all with a huge grain of salt and a ton of skepticism. Jmoo.

Gore did not personally handle either investigation nor did he control the conclusion of the ME in either case. You seem to have a personal grudge against the man rather than actual proof that he has made mistakes "that cost thousands of lives."

JMO

 

[Mrs. Holmes]

Gore did not personally handle either investigation nor did he control the conclusion of the ME in either case. You seem to have a personal grudge against the man rather than actual proof that he has made mistakes "that cost thousands of lives."

JMO

Research Gore's career at the FBI... Ruby Ridge and the 911 blunder.... he dismised the idea that terrorists were training to fly jets....

 

[freespeech]

Gore did not personally handle either investigation nor did he control the conclusion of the ME in either case. You seem to have a personal grudge against the man rather than actual proof that he has made mistakes "that cost thousands of lives."

JMO

I don't know Gore nor do I care to meet him. I never ever knew about Ruby Ridge or his role in 911 until this case. I didn't even realize that there were people as grossly incompetent as Gore running San Diego County until this case. I never even think about Gore unless I'm posting on the Zahau case. Furthermore, I have only commented on what I have read about Gore so how do you perceive that as personal? To be honest my comments are mild compared to what others say about him elsewhere.

I judge him only on his job performance which is poor, imo. Innocent people are dead because of his incompetence in the opinion of many.

You can find several articles if you google Gore, Ruby Ridge, 911 or even this latest fiasco where a Gulf war veteran was shoot in the back by one of his officers followed by Gore's usual inane leadership on the matter.

If Gore had not been so vacuously incurious in the 911 fiasco then possibly it could have been prevented but in his typical and imo grotesque fashion he just blew the reports off. So, is it any wonder that he did not step up and take an appropriate and competent lead in the Zahau pressers?

I'm not even angry and don't hate him at all. Imo, he is horribly incompetent and should not have had important positions that's all I mean to say about it.

 

[justice be served]

I don't know Gore nor do I care to meet him. I never ever knew about Ruby Ridge or his role in 911 until this case. I didn't even realize that there were people as grossly incompetent as Gore running San Diego County until this case. I never even think about Gore unless I'm posting on the Zahau case. Furthermore, I have only commented on what I have read about Gore so how do you perceive that as personal? To be honest my comments are mild compared to what others say about him elsewhere.

I judge him only on his job performance which is poor, imo. Innocent people are dead because of his incompetence in the opinion of many.

You can find several articles if you google Gore, Ruby Ridge, 911 or even this latest fiasco where a Gulf war veteran was shoot in the back by one of his officers followed by Gore's usual inane leadership on the matter.

If Gore had not been so vacuously incurious in the 911 fiasco then possibly it could have been prevented but in his typical and imo grotesque fashion he just blew the reports off. So, is it any wonder that he did not step up and take an appropriate and competent lead in the Zahau pressers?

I'm not even angry and don't hate him at all. Imo, he is horribly incompetent and should not have had important positions that's all I mean to say about it.

Gore represents, for me, the height of narcissism in public office and that word should be nowhere in the vocabulary of an elected or paid public official.
He literally turns my stomach.

 

[freespeech]

Gore represents, for me, the height of narcissism in public office and that word should be nowhere in the vocabulary of an elected or paid public official.
He literally turns my stomach.

By the way, I feel the same way also. I love our system. However, some enforce the system beautifully and others just plain old "stink" at what they do. It's disgusting when totally incompetent people are able to push into positions that are beyond their abilities because of their connections.

The incompetence literally brings everyone down to the incompetent leader's level. When that happens we can have a major system failure.

I think we had major system failures in 911, Ruby Ridge and with the Zahau case also. The shamelessness and apparent vacuous unconcern with the horrendous consequenses for those effected is incomprehensible, imo.

 

[*Lash*]

SDSO did NOT find him credible.

Dina apparently does not find SDSO nor CPD credible. In my opinion, you cannot have it both ways. People you find not credible vouching for the credibility of others? Nonsensical.

 

[freespeech]

Dina and Nina Romano's whereabout's were confirmed and they were never considered "suspects" in the case, since it was proved that Rebecca committed suicide.

Do you have insider information about how SDSO ruled out murder before determining suicide...or if they did not investigate the possibility murder but instead assumed it was suicide and immediately jumped to that conclusion?

If you have information on that it would be useful to get a case opened with the AG. If we know for sure that SDSO never even did a murder investigation then that could be the impetus for if not an AG case then a judicial review. Tia.

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

Dina apparently does not find SDSO nor CPD credible. In my opinion, you cannot have it both ways. People you find not credible vouching for the credibility of others? Nonsensical.

Dina has NEVER said she did not find the SDSO investigation into Rebecca death not credible. It was suicide and she knows that. Science doesn't lie.

JMO

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

Do you have insider information about how SDSO ruled out murder before determining suicide...or if they did not investigate the possibility murder but instead assumed it was suicide and immediately jumped to that conclusion?

If you have information on that it would be useful to get a case opened with the AG. If we know for sure that SDSO never even did a murder investigation then that could be the impetus for if not an AG case then a judicial review. Tia.

Rebecca's death was looked at throughly with all possibilities explored. It was ruled suicide because that is what is WAS. That is what the evidence PROVED.


"It appears to be some type of a violent death, and I'm not going to compromise the integrity of the investigation by giving anything more than that at this time," San Diego County Sheriff's Dept. Capt. Tim Curran said.

http://www.cbs8.com/story/15075598/...ths-of-coronado-mansion-owners-son-girlfriend

Sources have told RadarOnline.com that police believe forensic evidence will eventually solve the mystery and they still have not ruled-out ‘foul play’ in Nalepa’s death.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...ommit-suicide-jonah-shacknai-coronado-mansion


"Max was hospitalized on July 11, and taken off life support on July 17."
Meanwhile, Jonah has been interviewed "extensively and exhaustively by law enforcement, about Max's death, and Rebecca's. Jonah has been extremely cooperative with authorities," the source says. Adam was also interviewed by cops about Rebecca's death.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...rother-adam-house-comfort-after-son-max-death

The San Diego Sheriff's Department wants to review surveillance video from the hospital where Jonah Shacknai's son, Max, was treated after he was found at the base of the stairs at his father's Coronado mansion, RadarOnline.com is exclusively reporting.
"The San Diego Sheriff's Department will be obtaining a search warrant to review the footage. Investigators want to confirm details of what Jonah, Adam, and Dina [Jonah's second wife, and Max's mother], have revealed to them. Jonah maintains that he was at the hospital when Rebecca's body was found. This is a very fluid investigation," a law enforcement source tells us.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...video-surveillance-sheriffs-department-review

What do investigators think of this death? First they say it’s one of the most peculiar they have seen in recent memory. San Diego Sheriff’s Capt. Tim Curran calls the death “bizarre”.
Second, they would not confirm if a criminal investigation is pending. But they say the manner in which she is suspicious. Third, they confirm that suicide victims often kill themselves in “bizarre” and “unique” ways.

http://news.lalate.com/2011/07/15/rebecca-nalepa-rebecca-zahau-adam-shacknai-reported-hanging/

 

[TorisMom003]

Dina has NEVER said she did not find the SDSO investigation into Rebecca death not credible. It was suicide and she knows that. Science doesn't lie.

JMO

If foreign DNA was found on the knife and the rope and that DNA was not tested to see who it belonged to then the "science doesn't lie" arguement does not come into play in this case, IMO. It is very difficult for science to not lie when science was not used correctly in the case. In order for science doesn't lie to apply to this case then all of the testing of all of the DNA should have been performed and only the DNA of the victim should have been found on the evidence.

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

If foreign DNA was found on the knife and the rope and that DNA was not tested to see who it belonged to then the "science doesn't lie" arguement does not come into play in this case, IMO. It is very difficult for science to not lie when science was not used correctly in the case. In order for science doesn't lie to apply to this case then all of the testing of all of the DNA should have been performed and only the DNA of the victim should have been found on the evidence.

It was tested, and was "trace" DNA, which means it was probably old and not of a high enough level to measure any results.

 

[Mrs. Holmes]

It is too bad the science wasn't applied to the blood spots, the clump of hair, the two different sets of gloves found at the scene... science wasn't applied to the bed movement, the inexplicable tiny amount of dust disturbed on the balcony railing. The deck shoe footprints on the balcony underneath the toe prints...

There should have been family fingerprints all over that room.... kids had been in and out of that home for a week.. and not one whole fingerprint of anyone else was found...

Were RZ's fingerprints on the light switch... because someone turned out the lights... they didn't find her fingerprints there?

How did RZ get all the damage to her back but not her arms..... with her arms tied behind her back when she went over the railing... IMPOSSIBLE....

The science would actually need to be applied to all the evidence. Gore is just completely incompetent... he has been proven a highly incapable individual with a long list of huge blunders because he just doesn't have the intelligence to look at large amounts of information. IMO he is a simple arrogant man... he is easily manipulated by his own ego and other people with influence around him.

 

[*Lash*]

Dina has NEVER said she did not find the SDSO investigation into Rebecca death not credible. It was suicide and she knows that. Science doesn't lie.

JMO

With all due respect, I was not referring specifically to just Rebecca's case. I was commenting on the credibility of SDSO and CPD. Dina has lost faith in both agencies. The same agencies that investigated Rebecca's death. I find it biased to have faith one investigation was handled better than the other since both were investigated by the same agencies. Both families have similiar questions. An example, Dina and the Zahau's both question the processing of DNA.

A segment snipped from Dina's letter in response to CPD's refusal to reopen-

I truly believed in the COPD, the SDSD, and the investigatory processes of Law Enforcement and the Medical Examiner's Office. I believed your letters to me were sincere, heartfeit, an<i true. It now appears my trust was decidedly misplaced, and neither you nor Sheriff Gore have honored your commitments to me. Not only have you failed to properly investigate and pursue justice both in the original investigation and in considering my request to reopen the case, but you have made glaring mistakes - including but not limited to the items I have already addressed in this letter, but also among other things: (1) in collecting but not processing DNA undemeath Max's fingernails; (2) misplacing evidence from the evidence locker, i.e. the link that connected the chandelier to the chain that was photographed and retrieved at the scene; and (3) retrieving "evidence" from the garbage can at the home where Maxie suffered his injuries five days after the incident and one day after CPS called you. And why, by the way, did Detective Atkins direct CPS not to call me after they were contacted about Max by doctors at Rady Children's Hospital on Thursday, July 14,2011? This instruction to CPS by Detective Adkins is documented.

http://www.maxshacknai.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Dina_Shacknai_Response_To_COPD.pdf

 

[justice be served]

It is too bad the science wasn't applied to the blood spots, the clump of hair, the two different sets of gloves found at the scene... science wasn't applied to the bed movement, the inexplicable tiny amount of dust disturbed on the balcony railing. The deck shoe footprints on the balcony underneath the toe prints...

There should have been family fingerprints all over that room.... kids had been in and out of that home for a week.. and not one whole fingerprint of anyone else was found...

Were RZ's fingerprints on the light switch... because someone turned out the lights... they didn't find her fingerprints there?

How did RZ get all the damage to her back but not her arms..... with her arms tied behind her back when she went over the railing... IMPOSSIBLE....

The science would actually need to be applied to all the evidence. Gore is just completely incompetent... he has been proven a highly incapable individual with a long list of huge blunders because he just doesn't have the intelligence to look at large amounts of information. IMO he is a simple arrogant man... he is easily manipulated by his own ego and other people with influence around him.

BBM. And it begs the question, is this what it takes to hold the highest sheriff position in San Diego County? If so, and the answer must be yes, the official version of justice is to MOCK justice in San Diego County. Pathetic, but simply look at this man's track record in all of his positions. He needs to be brought up on charges and I don't doubt it will be coming once, hopefully, the AG finally does IT'S job and reopens Rebecca's case. JMO

 

[MyBelle]

With all due respect, I was not referring specifically to just Rebecca's case. I was commenting on the credibility of SDSO and CPD. Dina has lost faith in both agencies. The same agencies that investigated Rebecca's death. I find it biased to have faith one investigation was handled better than the other since both were investigated by the same agencies. Both families have similiar questions. An example, Dina and the Zahau's both question the processing of DNA.

A segment snipped from Dina's letter in response to CPD's refusal to reopen-

Her letter implies collusion and a bias about her son's investigation. She never says she thinks RZ's death wasn't a suicide. Dina's letter states that neither she nor her attorney were given access to the investigative file on RZ's death and the letter requests the file. It's pretty clear that Dina believes the LE agencies concluded suicide and since their "suspect" in Max's injuries had died, there was no need to further investigate Max's death. I think she'll have no trouble finding a jury that agrees with her.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

Dina has NEVER said she did not find the SDSO investigation into Rebecca death not credible. It was suicide and she knows that. Science doesn't lie.

JMO

ITA. Dina's letter makes it clear she believes the case that wasn't investigated thoroughly is Max's. It seems the CPD still thinks it would be a waste of their precious time.

JMO

 

[inthedark14]

ITA. Dina's letter makes it clear she believes the case that wasn't investigated thoroughly is Max's. It seems the CPD still thinks it would be a waste of their precious time.

JMO

So, in your opinion, DS believes that these two agencies only horribly misconstrued MS' case. That it's not possible that these two cases, which are indisputably connected, weren't both faulty. That's a very interesting opinion.

Always MOO

 

[TorisMom003]

So, in your opinion, DS believes that these two agencies only horribly misconstrued MS' case. That it's not possible that these two cases, which are indisputably connected, weren't both faulty. That's a very interesting opinion.

Always MOO

That's what I don't understand. Those that think Max's case was not handled properly want his case reopened. Those that think Rebecca's case was not handled properly want her case AND Max's case reopened. At least that is what I have seen anyway and the way that I feel as well. If one case was not handled properly then neither case was since they are connected and were investigated by the same LE. I find it very hard to accept it when someone says that Rebecca definately commited suicide because that was the result finding of the investigation yet Max's was not an accident even though that was the result finding of the investigation. I just can't make those things add up. Either both investigations were flawed or both were correct.

MOO

 

[justice be served]

That's what I don't understand. Those that think Max's case was not handled properly want his case reopened. Those that think Rebecca's case was not handled properly want her case AND Max's case reopened. At least that is what I have seen anyway and the way that I feel as well. If one case was not handled properly then neither case was since they are connected and were investigated by the same LE. I find it very hard to accept it when someone says that Rebecca definately commited suicide because that was the result finding of the investigation yet Max's was not an accident even though that was the result finding of the investigation. I just can't make those things add up. Either both investigations were flawed or both were correct.
MOO

BBM. I can't say that is true or untrue though I think their methodology was extremely poor in both investigations. I can say that the two cases were inexpicably connected though. Sheriff Gore maintains they were not connected in any way and THAT I don't believe is possible.