What has ICA told the DT and what do they believe?

[uklaw]

My Dad used to say that ALL of his clients proclaimed their innocence. But he relied upon his investigators to tell him the truth of the matter. And even if they were guilty, my Dad believed in their need for proper representation. He felt it was his duty to do his best to uphold our fair system of justice. As a matter of fact he once told me the most difficult and stressful cases for him were the ones where he knew his clients were truly innocent. That made him very anxious and worried because he felt their lives were in his hands. He felt that burden in those cases, other wise not so much.

That is why, imo, the DT will feel it is a 'win' for them if their client gets Life in prison instead of the DP.

Adam Tebrugge, the Public Defender who represented Joseph Smith in the Carlie Brucia murder case said that about one of his other murder cases. I think it was one of only two where he secured an acquittal but he stated that he was extremely anxious or words to that effect because there was no way his client was guilty.

 

[uklaw]

Hey guys.

Thanks for all your posts. It is good to get your opinions (which in many cases seem to be based upon your previous fervent research and following of this case, which I don't have only coming on board so recently) on this topic.

I think some of it has merit and I disagree with some of it also. But the thing is it is so difficult to work out because we can't be a fly on the wall in attorney client visits.

For what its worth I don't think JB has gone off ICA. According to Lillian Glass's post (which I take with a pinch of salt) they seem to get on very well. Although it could just be that he likes the female attention of ICA which is a bonus to the fame he thinks he is going to get (that is another matter, the commentators, albeit not the mainstream media, seems to be saying he is out of his depth, incompetent, there is a high likelihood that he will lose the case and be portrayed as a poor attorney so this case doesn't seem like "good publicity").

Aside from that I have vague possibilities in mind of what may have been said by ICA to the DT but nothing that firm.

Also does anyone know where you can get the jail visitation logs btw?

And last of all thanks again for all your comments and input

 

[ZsaZsa]

Surely that would mean that JB had told GA really early on? That just doesn't sound right/make sense. IMHO

Why not? He had to get paid and they were her parents.
GA didn't say who told him, only that she lied about it to JB. How else would he know? ICA is not going to admit lying, only if she replaces one lie with another.
At the same time she was telling AL that she had $14K in the bank, so it was
a familiar tale.
He soon hit on a get rich quick scheme by selling Caylee photos and videos to media for well over $200K so he may have forgiven her at :innocent:that point....

 

[crucibelle]

Just a theory - IMHO I think the DT is going to say ICA made up the z-t-n story in an effort to protect George - the one who really killed Caylee Marie Anthony. They may come up with some -a-bull story that George accidentally left the pool ladder on, and Caylee Marie was found passed. They then concocted a story for her to say (and him) that they both left that day. She then hides the body and tries to stay away from mummy.

Do you wonder why GA never made that many calls to ICA while she was on the lam?

It seems SO far fetched, but at this point I would put it past the DT.

MOO

Mel

That's what I think is going to happen, too.

 

[ZsaZsa]

I JUST read this recently. I've been going over old stuff. I was shocked when I read it for the same reason...the bank account. Let me wrack my brains.

ETA: I found it!
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2447571/George-Anthony-July-24-Interview-released-Nov-6-2008

Page 20. Although she said she had 1400 dollars, not 14000 or whatever SP had.

I just looked at the transcript too and GA tells LE she told Baez she had $1400 up front with another $5k in the bank. GA says the fact is she had no money "other than what she steals from her mother and me".

I got confused with SP's 14K- that was the amount she told AL was in her account. It's hard to keep up with her lies..:banghead:

 

[LambChop]

Hey guys.

Thanks for all your posts. It is good to get your opinions (which in many cases seem to be based upon your previous fervent research and following of this case, which I don't have only coming on board so recently) on this topic.

I think some of it has merit and I disagree with some of it also. But the thing is it is so difficult to work out because we can't be a fly on the wall in attorney client visits.

For what its worth I don't think JB has gone off ICA. According to Lillian Glass's post (which I take with a pinch of salt) they seem to get on very well. Although it could just be that he likes the female attention of ICA which is a bonus to the fame he thinks he is going to get (that is another matter, the commentators, albeit not the mainstream media, seems to be saying he is out of his depth, incompetent, there is a high likelihood that he will lose the case and be portrayed as a poor attorney so this case doesn't seem like "good publicity").

Aside from that I have vague possibilities in mind of what may have been said by ICA to the DT but nothing that firm.

Also does anyone know where you can get the jail visitation logs btw?

And last of all thanks again for all your comments and input

In this thread post #19 the link to Hinkymeter will bring up GA's statement to LE. Very, very interesting. There are thousands of documents and some are more interesting than others. This one on 19 is a good one.

 

[pip]

I have always believed that ICA told JB the truth...only after awhile. And JB promised to keep it between them.

 

[ZsaZsa]

Sorry Noob question here:

What did CM say?

I know he said something prior to the trial but don't know what. IIRC it was not particulary favourable to ICA

CM talked to Tony Pipitone, local media before he signed on to the DT.
I can't bring the whole article over as it is on a site we cannot link with this one.
In part:-
"All that talking and the press interviews, the parents going on this show and that show, the lawyer (JB) going on different shows- they have established they have NO credibility whatsoever.
You can pretty well predict there's going to be a life sentence,either plea and get it over with or have a circus trial, then be convicted,and get life."

Once he had signed on, Kathi Belich WFTV reporter asked him how he could reconcile those statements with his current position - he got irate and denied ever making them, but they are documented on video. If you look on You Tube or Google you will soon see them in full.

 

[Bathbuddys]

What has ICA told the DT happened to Caylee and what do the DT believe happened with Caylee.

I am curious about what people think the answer is to this question. Ostensibly, the DT is working for free. Not only that but JB has at least two staff attorneys and other office staff that he his paying out for whilst he is apparently in financial troubles himself. And then, as stated by Richard Hornsby in a recent post it is unclear why he took the case in the first place (at that point the case was not high profile and ICA had no to little money). So it would make sense that they believe she is innocent.

But then again Defense Attorneys usually tell there clients to tell them the truth as I understand it (the ethics rules are slightly more lax as I understand in the US than over here for representing a client who insists on pleading not guilty despite admitting guilt to his lawyer).

first of all he got paid a lot of money from the photos and videos in the beginning, he continues to get paid by the state of Florida as if Casey had an attorney before she was diligent, if she had an attorney the state has to pay this attorney and also she did lie to him saying she had money also.
Mister Baez did not plea out as if he goes thru trial he will get the remainder of monies from tv station that continues to keep him on the payroll in more than one way.

 

[uklaw]

In this thread post #19 the link to Hinkymeter will bring up GA's statement to LE. Very, very interesting. There are thousands of documents and some are more interesting than others. This one on 19 is a good one.

Yeah. I have read it, thanks for that.

I am finding this case more and more depressing I read through it. Obviously the death of a 2 year old girl is not something to celebrate but it just seems such a needless situation (and I am still not convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that ICA killed Caylee from a pre-meditated design).

It just seems like there was no need for anyone to be here. Not just because of the death of Caylee but the original family problems, unwanted "denied" pregnancy, stealing from the grandparents (which does no good for ICA regardless of her actual guilt or innocence of any charge in the homicide case), 31 days fiasco, etc.

I just want to see what the defense puts on now to see if it sheds a different light on anything (maybe there will be an "aha" moment).

 

[ZsaZsa]

Thanks for posting this question. I'm really interested in what WSers think about it. We know that whatever Casey told Baez, in the beginning, would have to have been lies. She was in full-blown lying-her-azz-off mode. She would certainly not just have simply told the truth to Baez.

I think it is very interesting how quickly Baez slammed the door on the Anthonys, and has kept it closed all this time. I think whatever Casey told him somehow did involve her parents. There is no other reason that I can think of for that impenetrable wall to have been erected.

When she was released to home on bail, he told her not to talk to them about her case and kept her away from them as much as possible. Who ever heard of a client spending all day, every day hanging out at their lawyer's office?

It seemed to me that, from the moment he became her attorney, he inserted himself in between her and her family. They complained about it in the jail videos and voiced the distrust this engendered in all 3 of them.

Whatever she told him, within a few days, her focus became her "case", so quickly that her family seemed to find it hard to grasp the fact, let alone how quickly, it eclipsed the idea of finding Caylee.

Anyway, yeah, what did Casey tell him and what do the DT really think happened? And why did she shift her allegiance, so completely and suddenly, from her family to him? And why would any attorney so completely eschew the support of a client's family?

She was quickly turning into his cash cow, if you remember she had a whole dossier titled "Media" which she brought with her, presumably with all the photos and videos he was to broker with Networks for well over $200K .
I'm sure his mental cash register was buzzing at the prospect, plus the publicity was free.
She was acting under instructions not to talk to anyone- particularly not her parents because their questions were likely to be much more probing than any one else. She couldn't get away from them fast enough, I'm sure that's why she spent so many hours at his office every day- there's no way CA/GA would
not have asked her questions, that would be humanly impossible with their grandchild 'missing'.

 

[Truthwillsetufree]

I think that ICA lied to JB about what actually happened. By stroke of luck, she managed to find an attorney as venal and soulless as she is, which meant they both look at this case as some kind of fun game.

JB knows what she did, so does the entire team. Instead of being somber and giving respect to the life of Caylee, they smile, smirk and play games with the court.

I do believe that ICA has great charm, which has helped her all her life. The DT is only one example of people she has played. Her luck during those 31 days was incredible, who has 2 friends go out of town and loan you their car? The DT is clearly enraptured with her and views her as a poor, helpless girl. I don't know of anyone who could murder their child and still have their DT team adore them, which they clearly do.I think that is one reason so many people despise the DT, they do know the truth and would not lose one moment of sleep if ICA did not have to pay for her crime in this lifetime.

BBM- I respectfully disagree. I think the DT team, all of them, are doing their job and the second this is over with will give ICA and the Anthony's not a single thought until it is time to write the DT's books/memoirs.

 

[ZsaZsa]

I think Casey has told the men on the defense team how charming they are..Casey's "boys".....
And I believe the "Boys" believe her...


Otherwise, there is no telling what she has told them, or what they believe.

I think the 'boys' know what she is all about. When she revealed in her jail letter that she had a crush on one of the 'boys' he never visited her again.
Just the latest instalment in the fantasy life of ICA.

 

[Ricki]

I think the 'boys' know what she is all about. When she revealed in her jail letter that she had a crush on one of the 'boys' he never visited her again.
Just the latest instalment in the fantasy life of ICA.

Smart "boy" too have not gone back and visit her again. He escaped the spiders web.

 

[ZsaZsa]

It was the hearing after the incident with JB sticking his tongue out and ICA responding with the middle finger when they all went to discuss something in chambers. When they came out she was seething, we don't know why, but ever since then she has barely made eye contact with JB and is now fawning all over CM. I haven't seen her talk to him since.
Now that's what I'm curious about...

 

[allycat1208]

I don't know believe she has any money. And even if she has 14k, that's nothing for an attorney in the U.S. I think its true these attorneys will become so famous just for taking this case. Also, Is KC allowed to sell her story/photos anything about herself to the media before she is found guilty? If that's she would have to give the money to the attorneys. I heard they get 200k for something they did sell regarding the case....I can't remember what. Anyone remember this...either 200k or 225k Baez received? Even that is not much money for an attorney.

 

[pip]

I think she was flat broke when she hired Baez. Heck, she was trying to borrow money from Kiomarie. I think that would of been her escape money. The well had run dry.

 

[ZsaZsa]

I don't know believe she has any money. And even if she has 14k, that's nothing for an attorney in the U.S. I think its true these attorneys will become so famous just for taking this case. Also, Is KC allowed to sell her story/photos anything about herself to the media before she is found guilty? If that's she would have to give the money to the attorneys. I heard they get 200k for something they did sell regarding the case....I can't remember what. Anyone remember this...either 200k or 225k Baez received? Even that is not much money for an attorney.

She has no money. She has been declared indigent. She has already sold lots of photos and videos of Caylee which gained her ?$275K or more. Her attorney took that and to date we have not seen a detailed accounting of what he spent it on, since he did no depositions and no work that anyone could observe.

 

[uklaw]

It was the hearing after the incident with JB sticking his tongue out and ICA responding with the middle finger when they all went to discuss something in chambers. When they came out she was seething, we don't know why, but ever since then she has barely made eye contact with JB and is now fawning all over CM. I haven't seen her talk to him since.
Now that's what I'm curious about...

Aww...

Come on what was the WS theory as to what happened?

 

[krisskross]

She has no money. She has been declared indigent. She has already sold lots of photos and videos of Caylee which gained her ?$275K or more. Her attorney took that and to date we have not seen a detailed accounting of what he spent it on, since he did no depositions and no work that anyone could observe.

But, he hired Todd Black. :floorlaugh: :floorlaugh: :floorlaugh: