What info did Lee A take to the defense team?

[butwhatif?]

Should have a look at this:

YouTube - ‪Casey Anthony: Day 27, Lee Reveals the Family Secret?‬‏

Hmmm, listening to RH reminded me that LA was also the one who talked CA and GA out of having a LDT way back when.

Or am I mis-remembering?

ETA: Phew! I wasn't mis-remembering. Someone else posted it too.

 

[ZsaZsa]

Hey Y'all!

Been lurking for a while. Following the case since Day 1 here in Orlando.

I think that the DT contacted the Anthony family and expressed serious concerns about the strong evidence and case the Prosecution is presenting and told them they needed to get "on board" if they want to save Casey from the death penalty and laid out what they want them to do and say.

Lee tried to go along but couldn't. Cindy is doing an admirable job of showing how Casey learned to lie but Lee just couldn't do it - or did it best he could. Interesting that George and Lee aren't being called on as much as Cindy, though, by either side. Very interesting, imo.

Can't belive anything Lee says about why he contacted the DT and refused requests from the prosecution. The whole family is full of liars.[/QUOTE

Welcome aboard! :seeya:

 

[SindyBill]

That 8 in one month alone thing came from ICA - could have been an embellishment! She could have been at the age where she thought having more partners made her seem more desirable and thought if she lied about how many she'd been with, she'd seem more wanted! JMO!

 

[momtective]

Hey Y'all!

Been lurking for a while. Following the case since Day 1 here in Orlando.

I think that the DT contacted the Anthony family and expressed serious concerns about the strong evidence and case the Prosecution is presenting and told them they needed to get "on board" if they want to save Casey from the death penalty and laid out what they want them to do and say.

Lee tried to go along but couldn't. Cindy is doing an admirable job of showing how Casey learned to lie but Lee just couldn't do it - or did it best he could. Interesting that George and Lee aren't being called on as much as Cindy, though, by either side. Very interesting, imo.

Can't belive anything Lee says about why he contacted the DT and refused requests from the prosecution. The whole family is full of liars.

:wave: :welcome:

I think you're right on the money!

 

[amysmom]

I think all Lee has to do is take the stand again, and admit that George molested HIM. Whamo. ICA's testimony without having to testify......
George doesn't have to admit or fall or the sword and face possible charges, Lee just has to plant that info into the jurors' minds.
Then it all falls into place.

:loser:

Why no charges if it was LEE vs ICA?

Also, are you saying this is true OR that Lee would be making up a story to save ICA?

 

[Boots-OK]

Regarding Lee's big "hurt"? What if on that one occasion when he asked CA about KC's pregnancy he learned that KC had told CA that Lee was the baby's daddy? That would hurt big time (especially if he hadn't had any kind of intimate thing with her). Can you imagine how CA would have treated him because she would, of course, believe KC?

Perhaps this is what he told By-ezz.

Just a thought....

 

[Never4GetCaylee]

I have never, ever seen anything as downright strange as this family. You see horrific things everyday on the news and the internet, but nothing, no one as strange and perplexing as the Anthonys.

I've watched Lee's testimony about 10 times now and I have absolutely NO IDEA what any of it was about. Mind you, I still have NO IDEA what the whole "CMA" speech was at Caylee's "memorial" was about either, but he may have outdone himself today. It seems like he is working for the DT, but then he basically calls him mother a liar on the stand since she said they called Lee about Casey's pregnancy and they were all thrilled and happy about it. Then the prosecution decides to show bias on his part because he refused to meet with them, but "reached out" to the DT. This after he SOBS about being left out of ICA pregnancy. I have never been so baffled by anything. ever. :banghead:

 

[LongtimeMedic]

LE does not usually take it upon itself to notify all next of kin for an accidental death. They most likely would not have asked who the father is.Who is the parent or guardian is yes and certainly if they were called the home where the child lived.

But... if there were a question of neglect/foul play (fight going on at the house etc) they could have asked, and I think that's what triggered the cover-up. Again, it's just my opinion.

 

[spqr]

IMO, a former LE person would be the first to understand why covering up an accident with a staged kidnapping wouldn't work.

ITA...I have stated this before in another post....people do not cover up a crime by increasing/making the crime worse. The cover up always tries to reduce the severity of the crime.
Why would anyone implicate themselves in a more sever crime and face more jail time/death penalty?.

 

[TxJan1971]

Hey Y'all!

Been lurking for a while. Following the case since Day 1 here in Orlando.

I think that the DT contacted the Anthony family and expressed serious concerns about the strong evidence and case the Prosecution is presenting and told them they needed to get "on board" if they want to save Casey from the death penalty and laid out what they want them to do and say.

Lee tried to go along but couldn't. Cindy is doing an admirable job of showing how Casey learned to lie but Lee just couldn't do it - or did it best he could. Interesting that George and Lee aren't being called on as much as Cindy, though, by either side. Very interesting, imo.

Can't belive anything Lee says about why he contacted the DT and refused requests from the prosecution. The whole family is full of liars.

Just a "WARM WELCOME" to Websleuths and to thank you for taking the time to post! Look forward to hearing more from you and your thoughts on this crazy case.

 

[LC446]

An ex-homicide detective would use that kind of a scenario, as that's the kind of evidence and investigation an ex-homicide detective would be most familiar with... if that person had something to hide that is. moo

Sorry, to disagree, but that doesn't even make any sense. An ex-homicide detective would make sure that body would never be found. An ex-homicide detective would know that a true accident, drowning, would NEVER bring a first degree murder charge, possibly negligent homicide but not first degree murder.

This scenario of George covering her accident to look like a kidnapping does not make any sense. An example that I will use to illustrate this is the Drew Peterson case. He's not even a homicide detective but he certainly knew to make sure that his wife's body is not anywhere to be found.

And an ex-homicide detective would not place a body that near his home.

 

[SCWldneart]

Hey Y'all!

Been lurking for a while. Following the case since Day 1 here in Orlando.

I think that the DT contacted the Anthony family and expressed serious concerns about the strong evidence and case the Prosecution is presenting and told them they needed to get "on board" if they want to save Casey from the death penalty and laid out what they want them to do and say.

Lee tried to go along but couldn't. Cindy is doing an admirable job of showing how Casey learned to lie but Lee just couldn't do it - or did it best he could. Interesting that George and Lee aren't being called on as much as Cindy, though, by either side. Very interesting, imo.

Can't belive anything Lee says about why he contacted the DT and refused requests from the prosecution. The whole family is full of liars.

ITA. Either the DT or LA himself had a talk with G & C about how bad things were looking for KC. G & C's testimonies are the most incriminating so somebody had to figure out a 'damage control' plan. IMO, CA took the helm in devising that plan and convinced LA to get on board with it. GA still appears to me like he doesn't want any part of it.He wants to keep his credibility in tact, especially with KH getting ready to take the stand. As a former LE, he knows full well if they try to lie they're going to get caught in it.

 

[cyberborg]

How's he gonna track down the father when she has slept with so many men?
Eight in one month alone. Too many possibilities. But as ICA does, she just comes up with an alternative story that CA will swallow whole.
Eric Baker ( after he was dead) Jesus Ortiz (after he was dead) Jesse Grund (oops he did his own DNA test)

As far as tracking down ANY of ICA's activities, GA was not permitted to.When he found out she was not working at Sports Authority as she claimed, and told CA about it, she accused him of spying on ICA.
GA was the handyman, car cleaner at Hopespring drive.
It's ironic that they now accuse him of sexual impropriety. He was emasculated many years ago by these two, so it would not have been possible IMO.

Exactly! GA is/was a submissive to the women in the family. We have seen this over and over with CA, and GA was even submissive to ICA in jail - reminding her she is the CEO and calls the shots. There is NO way GA is the mastermind or instrumental in a cover-up, ICA would just laugh him off as a joke, as she does ... Remember ICA is the one who said ... Here are your f'ing gas cans. Not the actions of someone who fears her dad IMO. The power struggle is between CA and ICA and Caylee gave ICA her control.

 

[crucibelle]

The thanks button wasn't enough because this helped clear a lot of things up for me. The only logic they presented that I couldn't follow was when they were talking about JB repeatedly asking Lee about "what else?" or "something else?" (I don't remember the exact words). They said a lawyer would never ask a question without knowing what the answer would be ~ but Jose has already had to walk away with egg on his face several times because he did do that and did not get the answer he expected. And it hurt his case.

Besides, I kept getting the feeling that Lee felt he was being excluded from all of the baby preparations, not because there was suspicion that George was the father, but because they thought he was.

BBM. And this makes me wonder that if they thought Lee was the father, WHY would they think that. Was there some sort of consensual incestuous relationship that Cindy and George found out about? Is this the big family secret?

 

[OneLostGrl]

Hey Y'all!

Been lurking for a while. Following the case since Day 1 here in Orlando.

I think that the DT contacted the Anthony family and expressed serious concerns about the strong evidence and case the Prosecution is presenting and told them they needed to get "on board" if they want to save Casey from the death penalty and laid out what they want them to do and say.

Lee tried to go along but couldn't. Cindy is doing an admirable job of showing how Casey learned to lie but Lee just couldn't do it - or did it best he could. Interesting that George and Lee aren't being called on as much as Cindy, though, by either side. Very interesting, imo.

Can't belive anything Lee says about why he contacted the DT and refused requests from the prosecution. The whole family is full of liars.

:Welcome1:

 

[QuietStorm]

But... if there were a question of neglect/foul play (fight going on at the house etc) they could have asked, and I think that's what triggered the cover-up. Again, it's just my opinion.

They DID ask. It's important to look at all the transcripts and records since the beginning of this case, not just what has been brought in as evidence.

Of course, the jury can only consider what is brought before them, but the public opinion has the luxury of examining everything before espousing an opinion. I think that's why so many on this board see through so much of what is presented. We've been picking apart the case and the evidence (admitted or not) for the past three years.

 

[ZsaZsa]

That 8 in one month alone thing came from ICA - could have been an embellishment! She could have been at the age where she thought having more partners made her seem more desirable and thought if she lied about how many she'd been with, she'd seem more wanted! JMO!

Eight men in one month may make you feel more something, but 'wanted' and 'desirable' are not the words I would use.... :innocent:
She was confiding in her best friend at the time, and IIRC the conversation turned to Caylee's parentage, when ICA said he was tall and quiet, but that's all she could come up with, so I believe the sheer numbers of guys involved made her recall less than accurate...

 

[okiedokietoo]

IMO, this is all a very rehearsed script with poor acting that goes back to when Casey was arrested. Everything from the jail letters, possible mistress info, changing stories, molestation accusations, etc. is just stuff getting out there to help the final story. There may have been a few changes made during this time, but I figure Lee will say that he heard his folks talk about Casey being raped by a stranger some years back and thought Caylee was of rape, and thus the secrecy and thoughts of molestation. George likes himself, and will never throw himself under the bus to end up in jail. He can't change much about his story, but he might say that he thinks he saw the ladder up and might say he's not sure what Caylee was wearing nowadays. He could admit to being an overbearing bully with Casey and/or cheating on his wife. They don't make good liars, and aren't nearly as good as their daughter. Everyone keeps calling Baez stupid, but he sure is not stupid, especially with the master manipulator that he gets to work with and get info from. It's despicable. I may quit watching altogether, and just wait for the verdict. This is all so unfair to people like Eilenn Wournos who truly were abused and mentally ill yet are dead now. If Casey gets off, our system has gone to the dogs.

BBM
Good post good points
Well I don't think Lee went to tell the defense that the family was on board with the "Casey is mentally unbalanced because of the abuse" defense. Because you are right, look where that defense got Aileen Wuornos.
At age 4-ish she was abandoned by her mother to live with her grandparents. Her father was in prison for sex crimes against children, a schizophrenic and hanged himself in prison. Her grandfather would force her to strip naked and then beat her. She became pregnant at 14 after being raped by a friend of her grandfather, gave the child up for adoption. At 15 her grandfather kicked her out of the house and she lived in the woods and became a prostitute to support herself.
After years of appeals she petitioned the Florida Supreme Court to fire her legal attorney and to stop appeals, announcing, "I killed those men, robbed them as cold as ice. And I'd do it again, too." (partial quote)
Three psychiatrists gave Wuornos a 15-minute interview and judged her mentally fit to be executed.
A defense attorney argued that she was in no state for them to honor such a request. After her request was granted her delusions really peaked. She talked about how her mind was being controlled by "sonic pressure". Executed October 9, 2002 -

 

[Cassata11]

Any ideas about what info Lee overheard with his parents that he gave to Jose Baez?

Sadly, I think Lee is the "tool" of the family. Anyone actually think they "didn't mean for him to overhear"?? CA and GA said it, and made SURE Lee would take it to JB.

The funny part, it was probably another lie, just for Casey.

I do feel for Lee. Today.. with that family, the temperature changes faster than Chicago.

*if you don't like the weather in Chicago, wait 10 min.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

He said it was when he was in the court (during the prosecution's case I think) and said he overheard something that they were talking about and I think George is going to take the fall and say he did it. JMO - If they are planning to throw him under the proverbial "truck", why wouldn't he just leave Cindy - even if it's just for show - leave her and pretend to file for divorce... just my thoughts late on a Friday and totally having blood pressure problems with this trial.

I think Cindy and George are tied together tighter then they ever have been before. I bet they have a million dollar book or movie deal in the works. They will stick together.