What makes you think Terri Horman is innocent?

[Paintr]

I think it's a matter of probabilities. If you've got nothing to hide it could be that you can best convince LE of that state of things if you hide nothing. It may not always work, but if it works 70% of the time it's a better bet than being uncooperative.

It's more complicated if you do have something to hide.

Unfortunately, everyone has something they would rather hide. If Terri was trying to hide an affair, for example, she may have avoided telling LE everything about her day in the begining. Even if she then broke down and admitted the truth of the affair, the rest of her answers are now suspect because she originally lied. Just a thought...

 

[theissueathand]

IMOO

There is no more public "evidence" pointing to Terri as the person who took Kyron as there was on the first day.

Yes, we have heard a lot of dirt, there have been skeletons unearthed, botched stings and the like but what I find strange is that the cops were ready to arrest her for a murder for hire plot but not the disappearance of her seven year old stepson.

This whole case makes me scratch my head, I can't even think about it too much anymore, it's too upsetting to think that someone out there knows where this precious boy is and is too stubborn and prideful and selfish to bring him home where he belongs.

FWIW though, I've thought Terri looked/acted/seemed guilty as all get out from the start... but it's all based on gut feeling, actions by her not relating directly to Kyron's disappearance, and the way that the family projected in all of the PC's including the one she was involved in.

 

[Calliope]

Aedrys. That case you described was terrible.

I hope if Terri did this she never sees the light of day again.I wish the same for whoever did this, Terri or someone else.

I have great faith in LE. I am sure they are doing great work on this case. The problem I have is the interpretations that some are putting on what LE is doing.

LE have stated that Terri is co operating and they are not naming anyone as a POI. There are those that immediately say.'Yeah, but they don't really mean that....they really mean something else'. LE sends an e mail stating this info didn't come from us but some then discount that e mail and say that 'unnamed sources' were really LE leaking info to put Terri under pressure.

I even read one opinion that stated that even if LE arrest someone else in Kyron's disappearance, they will never believe Terri is innocent? HUH? :waitasec:

In the begining, my 'gut' said that a stranger took Kyron. Who knows?

BBM

Absolutely. Her life is ruined and there are those who will never believe she's anything but guilty. IF she's guilty, then I really don't care about that. IF she's innocent, then I think we should all take a step back and question what happened here.

 

[tlcya]

Some of the things that set off some folks "hink meter" did not do so for me. FB posts, when pictures were posted, etc. just didn't get me hot and bothered the way they did some. Which left me on the fence. I was concerned LE couldn't just clear her and be done with it, but willing to give the benefit of the doubt til some sort of evidence led me otherwise.

When the divorce papers and RO were filed I nearly climbed down off the fence, figuring there must be SOME reason behind it that related to Kyron.

Well, now we have it in the form of a landscaper (or two? or three? don't even get me started on how fishy all these landscapers seem to me) who claims Terri tried to hire him to kill her husband.

Here's the thing - I just don't buy that Terri was running around approaching random landscapers to attempt to hire a hit man. It just screams of the ridiculous to me. Particularly because at the time she was supposed to be doing this there was a major breaking national story in the news about the wife who tried to hire a hitman to kill her husband and LE led her to believe it had been carried out. We all saw the footage over and over on multiple news outlets of said wife boo hooing and carrying on while LE watched, knowing full well the man was alive and well. And you can bet your bippy - SO DID TERRI. I just find it impossible to swallow that anyone would be that incredibly stupid, let alone a college educated former educator.

And to me the landscaper's story seems a bit convenient. "Uh yeah, she's bad news, she wanted me to kill her husband. What's that? Well no, officer, I never thought to call anybody or report it. People ask me to murder someone everyday, I just don't even take it seriously anymore." (my own sarcastic paraphrasing, not a direct quote)

IMO - bunk

 

[daisy7]

Aedrys. That case you described was terrible.

I hope if Terri did this she never sees the light of day again.I wish the same for whoever did this, Terri or someone else.

I have great faith in LE. I am sure they are doing great work on this case. The problem I have is the interpretations that some are putting on what LE is doing.

LE have stated that Terri is co operating and they are not naming anyone as a POI. There are those that immediately say.'Yeah, but they don't really mean that....they really mean something else'. LE sends an e mail stating this info didn't come from us but some then discount that e mail and say that 'unnamed sources' were really LE leaking info to put Terri under pressure.

I even read one opinion that stated that even if LE arrest someone else in Kyron's disappearance, they will never believe Terri is innocent? HUH? :waitasec:

In the begining, my 'gut' said that a stranger took Kyron. Who knows?

Paintr, your post summed up my feelings almost word for word!!

 

[twzzlrgirl]

If someone posted this already, I apologize in advance.

Take a look at the article from good morning america:

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/search-ky...apparent-botched-sting-step/story?id=11114051

All I can say is, this case is amazing to me in the number of "different stories" we hear almost on a daily basis. So, Terri wasn't calling about a custody issue, she was calling because some guy was demanding money and harassing her? The same landscaper who she supposedly hired to kill her husband? How was this story posted from so many "reliable" sources that one of the 911 calls was about custodial issues???

Either this case is getting more complicated by the day, or these ridiculous "sources" are making stuff up or reporting what they surmise, and not what they KNOW. And it certainly calls into question, in my mind, whether Terri is guilty, or whether she is being hung out to dry so that it looks like LE has a suspect.

This is a three-ring circus already, and I'm thinking finding Kyron has taken an absolute back seat to all the nonsense going on.

 

[Donjeta]

Unfortunately, everyone has something they would rather hide. If Terri was trying to hide an affair, for example, she may have avoided telling LE everything about her day in the begining. Even if she then broke down and admitted the truth of the affair, the rest of her answers are now suspect because she originally lied. Just a thought...

Well, that would be somewhat deserved...IMO. If a child is missing that you claim to love as your own and you mislead the investigation just because you're ashamed of having a bit on the side... It's not even illegal to have sex outside of marriage any more, and I think the missing child should take the priority over petty things like that.

Maybe you could negotiate with LE that they consider your alibi "part of the investigation" and don't reveal it to your husband unless it's got to be disclosed at the trial.

 

[Paintr]

Paintr, your post summed up my feelings almost word for word!!

Thank you kindly, daisy. Last time I said something like this out loud, I almost got my head handed to me. This case is bringing out the emotions big time.

 

[Paintr]

Well, that would be somewhat deserved...IMO. If a child is missing that you claim to love as your own and you mislead the investigation just because you're ashamed of having a bit on the side... It's not even illegal to have sex outside of marriage any more, and I think the missing child should take the priority over petty things like that.

Maybe you could negotiate with LE that they consider your alibi "part of the investigation" and don't reveal it to your husband unless it's got to be disclosed at the trial.

Hey! I totally agree! I'd be babbling everything! They would have trouble shutting me up. LOL!

But some people panic and go into a funk and lie.

And some lie because they are guilty.

(I have no idea if Terri was having an affair, I just used that as an example)

 

[Donjeta]

IMOO

There is no more public "evidence" pointing to Terri as the person who took Kyron as there was on the first day.
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We have no right to expect LE to reveal their evidence at this point of the investigation. If they don't have something that points to Terri, I would like to hear a very good explanation why they seem to be happy to have her singled out as a not-quite-suspect-but-close in public. Are they okay with the family speaking to her in the pressers? Are they okay with Tony saying, Connect the dots? Are they okay with the interpretation the media has given to the RO and the flyers and all the other stuff that says "Terri"?

 

[twzzlrgirl]

We have no right to expect LE to reveal their evidence at this point of the investigation. If they don't have something that points to Terri, I would like to hear a very good explanation why they seem to be happy to have her singled out as a not-quite-suspect-but-close in public. Are they okay with the family speaking to her in the pressers? Are they okay with Tony saying, Connect the dots? Are they okay with the interpretation the media has given to the RO and the flyers and all the other stuff that says "Terri"?

ITA!!!!! If she is not a suspect, as LE is saying, then they need to VERY clearly come out and say that. I understand they want to play their cards close to their vest, but IMOO, they have a an obligation to not sit back and see someone's life absolutely ruined by not stating enough to clear her.

If she turns out to be guilty, then fine. If she is innocent, then she is being allowed by all involved (including LE) to be hanged by the public, her family, and the press.

 

[Ms Suzanne]

If someone posted this already, I apologize in advance.

Take a look at the article from good morning america:

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/search-ky...apparent-botched-sting-step/story?id=11114051

All I can say is, this case is amazing to me in the number of "different stories" we hear almost on a daily basis. So, Terri wasn't calling about a custody issue, she was calling because some guy was demanding money and harassing her? The same landscaper who she supposedly hired to kill her husband? How was this story posted from so many "reliable" sources that one of the 911 calls was about custodial issues???

Either this case is getting more complicated by the day, or these ridiculous "sources" are making stuff up or reporting what they surmise, and not what they KNOW. And it certainly calls into question, in my mind, whether Terri is guilty, or whether she is being hung out to dry so that it looks like LE has a suspect.

This is a three-ring circus already, and I'm thinking finding Kyron has taken an absolute back seat to all the nonsense going on.

I agree.This all became about Kaine and not Kyron.They need to be looking for little Kyron.They need to find this little sweet little boy.This is very sad.

 

[twzzlrgirl]

I agree.This all became about Kaine and not Kyron.They need to be looking for little Kyron.They need to find this little sweet little boy.This is very sad.

I was reading the news this morning and I am:furious:

Seriously...is anyone in the public (one of the most important sources of finding a missing child) even looking for Kyron anymore??? or is everyone so busy waiting for news that Terri did it (or the next big "bombshell" in this dysfunctional family) that his disappearance is being swept under the rug.

My paranoid mind is now taking all kinds of paths that I'd rather not go down. :banghead:

 

[21merc7]

I was reading the news this morning and I am:furious:

Seriously...is anyone in the public (one of the most important sources of finding a missing child) even looking for Kyron anymore??? or is everyone so busy waiting for news that Terri did it (or the next big "bombshell" in this dysfunctional family) that his disappearance is being swept under the rug.

My paranoid mind is now taking all kinds of paths that I'd rather not go down. :banghead:

Agreed! If we have to hear Terri's dirt, I think we need to hear all of Kaine's, bio-mom, and step-dad's. Who took Kyron? Could be any of them, for any reason.

All are suspects to me.

Is anyone searching for Kyron? There is no news about that.

 

[cypress]

If someone posted this already, I apologize in advance.

Take a look at the article from good morning america:

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/search-ky...apparent-botched-sting-step/story?id=11114051

All I can say is, this case is amazing to me in the number of "different stories" we hear almost on a daily basis. So, Terri wasn't calling about a custody issue, she was calling because some guy was demanding money and harassing her? The same landscaper who she supposedly hired to kill her husband? How was this story posted from so many "reliable" sources that one of the 911 calls was about custodial issues???

Either this case is getting more complicated by the day, or these ridiculous "sources" are making stuff up or reporting what they surmise, and not what they KNOW. And it certainly calls into question, in my mind, whether Terri is guilty, or whether she is being hung out to dry so that it looks like LE has a suspect.

This is a three-ring circus already, and I'm thinking finding Kyron has taken an absolute back seat to all the nonsense going on.

If I'm not mistaken, there was a second 911 call late that same day (around 11pm), and the second call was about a custody issue.

 

[tehcloser]

If I'm not mistaken, there was a second 911 call late that same day (around 11pm), and the second call was about a custody issue.

From that link, they said the first call was about some guy in a truck threatening her....so, either there were 3 calls or none was about custody.

From link:

KATU cited sources as saying that was the second call of the day. The first came minutes earlier to report that someone in a truck was threatening her.


http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/search-ky...apparent-botched-sting-step/story?id=11114051

 

[GrainneDhu]

I think it's a matter of probabilities. If you've got nothing to hide it could be that you can best convince LE of that state of things if you hide nothing. It may not always work, but if it works 70% of the time it's a better bet than being uncooperative.

It's more complicated if you do have something to hide.

I'm not really thinking in terms of someone who has something to hide. I'm thinking in terms of someone who knows they have nothing to hide and has cooperated fully but remains under suspicion. To the point where the suspicion directed at them appears to be derailing the investigation altogether.

That is definitely not the situation that Mark Klaas faced, so I'm not certain that his widely known advice would hold true.

 

[twzzlrgirl]

If I'm not mistaken, there was a second 911 call late that same day (around 11pm), and the second call was about a custody issue.

From the GMA article, they make it sound like the first call was about someone demanding money (10,000); the second call was about someone harassing her in a truck.

Admittedly, I am taking all news sources, even the supposedly reliable ones, with a huge grain of salt at this point. Who knows what's going on anymore? This case is making me so angry and frustrated...that poor little boy. I have a feeling this isn't the first time in his short life that he's taken a back seat to unbelievable drama.

 

[GrainneDhu]

I think it's a matter of probabilities. If you've got nothing to hide it could be that you can best convince LE of that state of things if you hide nothing. It may not always work, but if it works 70% of the time it's a better bet than being uncooperative.

It's more complicated if you do have something to hide.

BBM

I just had a followup thought.

My sister contracted hepatitis B during a series of hospital visits two years ago. Statistics show that when an adult contracts hepatitis B, they have a 95% chance of clearing their system of the virus within six months.

Well, my sister was in the unlucky 5%. She is now classified as a chronic active carrier and will most likely have the disease until it kills her.

Ever since that happened, my views on probabilities have changed. A 95% chance no longer looks all that good to me because someone I love didn't make it.

And all this goes back to my original thought, which is that one's personal experiences tend to colour one's views and thus the advice that one gives.

 

[GrainneDhu]

I even read one opinion that stated that even if LE arrest someone else in Kyron's disappearance, they will never believe Terri is innocent? HUH? :waitasec:

SBM

To this day, there are people who completely believe that Elizabeth Smart's father and/or uncle were responsible for her abduction. They refuse to believe her testimony or Wanda Barzee's admission of guilt (Brian Mitchell has yet to come to trial). They made their decision before she was found and nothing that has happened has been enough to shake their inner certainty.

In a way, I kind of admire that. My own inner certainty is never that solid and there are times when my life would be easier for me if it were.