What makes you think Terri Horman is innocent?

[Astrella613]

Yes Roughlycollie, legally innocent. I think that most of us know what that means.

 

[AnaTeresa]

It's not so much that I think she's definitively innocent, it's more that I'm on the fence. There's not even any evidence to indicate that Kyron was abducted. Most of the "evidence" against TMH is armchair analysis, rumor mongering, and outright lies. To me, there's nothing known to the public at this time to strongly indicate guilt.

 

[Wendy101]

It is entirely possible that Kaine paid the landscape guy to claim Terri inquired about a hit. It is possible Kaine is a control freak who is settig up Terri in a carefully thought out plan to remove Terri from the picture while portraying himself as a victim. It is possible Terri has been emotionally abused and manipulated for years- and now her entire world is crumbling becuse she knows she is the focus of the investigation- her step son is missing, her husband and baby left and there is nothing she can do about it. Even while what little evidence there is is circumstancial, it is pretty damning. It took her 3 weeks to lawyer up- she didn't even do that until KH left with the baby! That isn't the behavior of a woman who was plotting the demise of her husband and step son.
JMO

Anything is possible at this point... **when I read this, it reminded me of the cell phone pings, her phone, BUT, did she have it**

Interesting thoughts you have...

So after this is all played out and the divorce is final, then Kaine brings Kyron home?

 

[grandmaj]

Are we bashing Law Enforcement? Or calling them names or name variations? You can disagree with the results of the sting in a responsible way, but we don't bash anyone.

 

[WhyaDuck?]

My very basic answer: Because she's not been convicted with anything in connection with this case.

(On a personal level, though, I have to say nothing, really.)

 

[keeponsearching]

It is entirely possible that Kaine has done all this; at this point, anything is still possible. However, if Terri is being set up like this (framed, really), then why isn't she screaming her innocence from the rooftops? why isn't she putting up any fight for Baby K? it just doesn't make sense. She has a lawyer now, you'd think there would be some statement of "my client denies all the recent allegations" or whatever fancy stuff lawyers say that basically means "she didn't do it". But there's nothing. And, going back to June 4th here, according to LE, Terri wasn't where she said she was that day. So if Kaine is setting her up in some elaborate scheme, he sure picked the right day to do it, on a day where Terri's whereabouts would come into question after the fact. JMO.

Maybe she is.... But we just aren't hearing it...

 

[cluciano63]

If Kaine had wanted to leave Terri before Kyron went missing but was afraid he would not get custody of the baby....this whole landscaper's story could have been just what he was looking for in a way...this way, he gets all the sympathy and the baby and rid of Terri, all in one go...

 

[keeponsearching]

I don't know if this is allowed, but I can't get it to leave my head. Do we know why DY had a RO on KH, or is that not even true..


I feel like I'm using codes, kwim... lol

 

[cypress]

I don't know if this is allowed, but I can't get it to leave my head. Do we know why DY had a RO on KH, or is that not even true..


I feel like I'm using codes, kwim... lol

When Kyron was young, DY filed a RO against KH because she feared KH would remove children from the home. The RO was eventually granted, preventing either DY or KH from removing children from the home (Kyron, their son together, and another, older boy, who is DY's from a previous relationship).

And yes about the codes!

 

[21merc7]

Are we bashing Law Enforcement? Or calling them names or name variations? You can disagree with the results of the sting in a responsible way, but we don't bash anyone.

Not bashing, just adding some levity to a confounded situation.

ETA: Have deleted any posts that could be misconstrued. Suggest everyone else do the same.

 

[KeyboardCat]

There are plenty of logical reasons to assume she would not have done this.

I also want to point out that money and/or jealousy can make normal people do unspeakable things.

 

[SleuthyGal]

If I assume TMH is guilty (of something), what is that something? No facts have been verified that she left the school w/Kyron. No facts have been verified that she handed Kyron off to someone else. I'll be the 1st in line to say 'guilty,' but please tell me what she did cause I am not sure what that is (yet).

Yes Kyron is missing, but I don't know who took him. Kyron may well be deceased but then again, I don't really know since he hasn't been found and no one has released any information. TMH may or may not have been involved in a murder-for-hire plot against her husband. I don't know if that happened or not.

How can anyone here (or anywhere) come to any sort of conclusion when there hasn't been a conclusion yet? Verified information is very scarce.

Are you (the royal you) comfortable going on what amounts to rumors at this point? I'm not!

I want real information...facts...not speculation, not rumors, not projection or a person's opinion of what they imagine could have happened...none of that... just the facts.

 

[Pensfan]

I really don't think this little boys statement should be dismissed.He also said Kyron was going to see a cool science project.

Could a taser be a cool science project?

 

[Aedrys]

Real information? There is an RO signed by Kaine, his lawyer and a judge that states that police gave him probable cause that she's involved. I'm sure the lawyer and judge would not sign something that could get them disbarred. That tells me she did do this and is not innocent. And that's the first solid proof of her guilt we have. It may not be enough in a court of law, but it definitely tells me LE believes she kidnapped Kyron beyond reasonable doubt. We just can't see what they have that tells them this!

 

[KeyboardCat]

What makes me think Terri Horman is Innocent?

I don't think there is enough information available for me to form an opinion. However, I think its fairly obvious what Law Enforcement believes, particularly after reading that restraining order. I don't believe they are trying to railroad someone on just a hunch.

 

[cypress]

I respect LE, and I believe most of the time the intentions of all LE are above reproach. Having said that, this community of officers is under an enormous amount of pressure to solve this case. Descriptions of the search for Kyron often include the words and phrases "unprecedented" and "largest in state's history."

Whether Terri did this or not, it's my belief LE have very little to go on. It's true that LE withholds information from the public, but I'm looking at what they are doing and saying, and yes, I'm considering the leaks as well -- after hundreds of interviews, LE sent out questionnaires to the community soliciting information about Terri's comings and goings at Skyline the day Kyron disappeared. This tells me that they did not previously receive the information supporting their hypothesis that she abducted Kyron or they received information that challenged their hypothesis. After hundreds of interviews, if LE had definitively received information about Terri leaving with Kyron, they wouldn't have sent out the questionnaire. There would've been no need to send out the questionnaire.

About the failed polygraph. Obviously someone leaked to the press that Terri showed deceptive on a key answer in her polygraph. Putting aside the usefulness or value of polygraphs, if Terri had bombed her entire polygraph, I believe the leak would reflect such a failure. As it stands, the leak says she failed a answer, and I take that to mean one. I find this odd.

With regard to the cell phone pings, I'm not sure. I'm not knowledgeable enough about cell phone beings to be sure of whether or not it's an exact science. My understanding is that pings give a range. If LE's suspicion of Terri is based on these cell phone pings, then I am uncomfortable with the focus being on Terri. There's always a first time; technology isn't infallible.

Then you've got the poorly handled sting operation. In a split second decision, Terri called the cops and told them a man was at her house demanding 10,000. She didn't attempt to cover it up. I find it interesting that she didn't show much fear or delay in calling police officers. I don't believe LE has any other evidence against Terri for the MFH than this man's word. If they did, they would've arrested her. The sting is being called a failure. What did it fail to do? Confirm Terri's involvement in this MFH plot.

I have no stake in this, and I honestly don't care whether or not Terri is innocent or guilty. I'm not trying to prove she is innocent or not guilty, if readers here prefer that term. My main concern is that two lives may be ruined in the process of finding this innocent child, and that's unnecessary and unfortunate. At some point, LE have to back up their thinly veiled claim of her guilt or they have to stop indirectly accusing her.

And, as much as I feel badly for Desiree and Kaine, saying that Terri is uncooperative because she won't confess is a bit misleading. Maybe there is nothing to confess? She has been cooperative. Up until this MFH, the sting, Kaine leaving her and taking the baby, she was cooperative in finding Kyron. LE publicly stated she was cooperative, and there have been other cases with other people who were unofficial POI, where LE stated a person wasn't cooperative. At this point, I don't think LE would lie to protect Terri or to make her think they're still on her side.

Sigh. This case is mindboggling.

 

[x_files]

When Kyron was young, DY filed a RO against KH because she feared KH would remove children from the home. The RO was eventually granted, preventing either DY or KH from removing children from the home (Kyron, their son together, and another, older boy, who is DY's from a previous relationship).

And yes about the codes!

I know we can't sleuth DY's RO on KH, but it is something to take in consideration that he was restrained from removing Kyron from her home.

 

[PaulaF513]

I don't understand how this has all been discounted or ignored.... Especially after watching the video... He seems so sure of himself... and I could see how he may be confused about the "substitute" part... but surely, someone had said all that....I don't know why a kid of this age would lie about something like this....

......................http://www.koinlocal6.com/news/loca...te-noticed-Horman/TVY3YTREG0SyCP3tb3MkZg.cspx..................

I don't know why a child would make up a story like that either, particularly given the gravity of the situation.

I think that Mr Shelby is so concerned with the reputation of the school that he is making a fool of himself here. Why would Kyron's name be brought up after he was missing for a week? Is there another Kyron in Ms Porter's class who may have gone to the bathroom without asking permission? Was there another group that returned to the classroom minus a boy?

There are too amny questions and too few answers in this very sad case.

I certainly hope that LE is not focussed so entirely on the SM, to the exclusion of other avenues, that a predator gets away with either kidnapping or worse. And if indeed she did do something horrible to that sweet child, I hope they find some credible evidence soon.

 

[Calliope]

I think she was waiting until she had to get a lawyer.

Whatever her reason, she should have had one from the start.

 

[Calliope]

Real information? There is an RO signed by Kaine, his lawyer and a judge that states that police gave him probable cause that she's involved. I'm sure the lawyer and judge would not sign something that could get them disbarred. That tells me she did do this and is not innocent. And that's the first solid proof of her guilt we have. It may not be enough in a court of law, but it definitely tells me LE believes she kidnapped Kyron beyond reasonable doubt. We just can't see what they have that tells them this!

They wouldn't get disbarred. But Kaine could be held in contempt.

If LE thought there was proof beyond reasonable doubt, there would have been no need for a RO, she would have already been behind bars.