What makes you think Terri Horman is innocent?

[KeyboardCat]

Well, the order said they had probable cause, not proof beyond a reasonable doubt.
With probable cause, authorities can obtain search warrants and the like to further investigate. If they feel their case isn't strong enough to go to trial, of course they wouldn't arrest her, since after an arrest they have a limited time frame in which they have to formally charge her. Bringing charges against her without the investigation complete, or without being as solid as they feel they may need, would be foolish.

And besides that, the term "probable cause" in the restraining order is used by Kaine Horman from what I can see. It may be simply his interpretation of what was said/presented to him when police informed him of a murder for hire against him. The police may not have used that term.

But even if that term was used by police, it doesn't mean they want to arrest and charge her just yet.

 

[mrsjonnob]

Wow, with Kaine filing to have her removed from the house and the presser this afternoon, the first thing I thought was "I would't be surprised if she attempts to harm herself", like Trenton's mom did.. you can only push a person so far. At some point, she may feel like she has lost everything meaningful to her.

 

[smart blonde]

What makes you think Terri Horman is innocent?

Hmmm... I can't think of anything that makes me think she is innocent.

(If anyone is thinking of throwing rocks at me, please just make sure they are soft rocks, okay)? :croc:

 

[KeyboardCat]

I also think that if the police can come to Kaine Horman and demonstrate that there are reasons for him to believe that his wife did both of these things, I'm sure it probably fits the definition of "probable cause," whether or not the term used in the restraining order was Kaine's interpretation or what the police actually said.

 

[WholeLottaRosie]

It is entirely possible that Kaine paid the landscape guy to claim Terri inquired about a hit. It is possible Kaine is a control freak who is settig up Terri in a carefully thought out plan to remove Terri from the picture while portraying himself as a victim. It is possible Terri has been emotionally abused and manipulated for years- and now her entire world is crumbling becuse she knows she is the focus of the investigation- her step son is missing, her husband and baby left and there is nothing she can do about it. Even while what little evidence there is is circumstancial, it is pretty damning. It took her 3 weeks to lawyer up- she didn't even do that until KH left with the baby! That isn't the behavior of a woman who was plotting the demise of her husband and step son.
JMO

This is what I think!!! Also, my husband who ALWAYS comes down on the man's side in EVERYTHING, who doesn't read WS, but does watch JVM and NG, and has me give him an update every day, thinks this as well! He shocked me, truly shocked me earlier this evening when he said that.

 

[Kat]

I do not think of her as innocent and I do not think of her as guilty.

I simply think of her as the last known person to have been with Kyron on the day he went missing over a month ago.

JMHO.

 

[ella971]

I do not think of her as innocent and I do not think of her as guilty.

I simply think of her as the last known person to have been with Kyron on the day he went missing over a month ago.

JMHO.

Kat, this kinda reminds me of a case in Florida. Member?

 

[Kat]

Kat, this kinda reminds me of a case in Florida. Member?

Yup I member ella.

(good to see you again )

 

[raeann]

Could a taser be a cool science project?

I am not sure what you are implying exactly, but if you have ever HEARD someone who has been shot with a taser.....it is not exactly something that is a SILENT weapon. There are screams, thuds to the floor, wild thrashing----all involuntary reactions to the pain. It would be a very ineffective means of disabling someone to get them out of sight.

jmo

 

[redkatrampant]

I do not think of her as innocent and I do not think of her as guilty.

I simply think of her as the last known person to have been with Kyron on the day he went missing over a month ago.

JMHO.

nooooooo you have to think like me since we are both apparently Kats.
Honestly though I can see your side of it. Although I have made it plainly known that I suspect her. Ok, I think she is guilty.
I can however see where, in light of the info that we have and the twists and turns that there is a chance that she does not have anything to do with this.
I was on the fence, then I got back on and then today I fell right off.
However, I do respect your opinion. There are so many of us that seem to be ready to burn her at the stake. I am willing to let things play out before I do that.
I just wanted to point that out because I am so sad at how this is going. I also see some that are not being so respectful. I want to keep that in mind that she has yet to be charged.

 

[redkatrampant]

I am not sure what you are implying exactly, but if you have ever HEARD someone who has been shot with a taser.....it is not exactly something that is a SILENT weapon. There are screams, thuds to the floor, wild thrashing----all involuntary reactions to the pain. It would be a very ineffective means of disabling someone to get them out of sight.

jmo

And if there is any doubt go to youtube and search for taser.

 

[raeann]

And if there is any doubt go to youtube and search for taser.

LOL....yes, I purposely left out the part about LOTS of four letter words being screamed at the taser-er!

 

[Kat]

nooooooo you have to think like me since we are both apparently Kats.
Honestly though I can see your side of it. Although I have made it plainly known that I suspect her. Ok, I think she is guilty.
I can however see where, in light of the info that we have and the twists and turns that there is a chance that she does not have anything to do with this.
I was on the fence, then I got back on and then today I fell right off.
However, I do respect your opinion. There are so many of us that seem to be ready to burn her at the stake. I am willing to let things play out before I do that.
I just wanted to point that out because I am so sad at how this is going. I also see some that are not being so respectful. I want to keep that in mind that she has yet to be charged.

Sure I suspect her Kat. In fact, if she isn't eventually charged with a crime in connection to Kyron I would be very suprised to say the least.

IMHO all roads lead to her. I was just answering the question posed by the OP--what makes me think she is innocent.

Nothing. LOL.

(I enjoy reading your posts kat )

 

[Chewy]

Hi first time poster long time lurker.

I don't know but there is something too neat about the way the family has turned against her.

I don't think it is fair for them to make statements about not trusting her without giving the public all the facts.

I will say that the thing that makes me think she might be guilty is the fact that the police narrowed it down so quickly. I took a criminal law course at college ages ago and our instructor told us that most criminal investigations aren't as mysterious as they seem to the public. The cops know pretty quickly what happened because they do this full time and can read people and pick up on details etc.

The only thing that bothers me is that if she is innocent then perhaps the boy is dead. It was a long long time from the first point of him missing until it was found out.

But I do agree (My opinion only) that TH contacted the school about the science project because she wanted them to notice he was missing.

I also think that the fact that the parents know he's alive is strange. If I knew my kid was kidnapped by someone who was that close to me, I wouldn't shun them this way, I'd try to get close to them and get them to admit it. Something about that is weird.

 

[redkatrampant]

Hi first time poster long time lurker.

I don't know but there is something too neat about the way the family has turned against her.

I don't think it is fair for them to make statements about not trusting her without giving the public all the facts.

I will say that the thing that makes me think she might be guilty is the fact that the police narrowed it down so quickly. I took a criminal law course at college ages ago and our instructor told us that most criminal investigations aren't as mysterious as they seem to the public. The cops know pretty quickly what happened because they do this full time and can read people and pick up on details etc.

The only thing that bothers me is that if she is innocent then perhaps the boy is dead. It was a long long time from the first point of him missing until it was found out.

But I do agree (My opinion only) that TH contacted the school about the science project because she wanted them to notice he was missing.

I also think that the fact that the parents know he's alive is strange. If I knew my kid was kidnapped by someone who was that close to me, I wouldn't shun them this way, I'd try to get close to them and get them to admit it. Something about that is weird.

Well , while I respect your opinion, I did want to comment on the fair part. We may not like the fact that we don't have all the info, but I don't think it would be *fair* of LE to give all the info at this time. I think they have to keep certain things to themselves to have a continuing investigation. Kinda like not giving all the info out on a murder case so that only the guilty party would be the only one who knew a certain piece of info.
MOO

OH and WELCOME!!

 

[WholeLottaRosie]

Hi first time poster long time lurker.

I don't know but there is something too neat about the way the family has turned against her.

I don't think it is fair for them to make statements about not trusting her without giving the public all the facts.

I will say that the thing that makes me think she might be guilty is the fact that the police narrowed it down so quickly. I took a criminal law course at college ages ago and our instructor told us that most criminal investigations aren't as mysterious as they seem to the public. The cops know pretty quickly what happened because they do this full time and can read people and pick up on details etc.

The only thing that bothers me is that if she is innocent then perhaps the boy is dead. It was a long long time from the first point of him missing until it was found out.

But I do agree (My opinion only) that TH contacted the school about the science project because she wanted them to notice he was missing.

I also think that the fact that the parents know he's alive is strange. If I knew my kid was kidnapped by someone who was that close to me, I wouldn't shun them this way, I'd try to get close to them and get them to admit it. Something about that is weird.

BBM - I agree. And after watching tonight's presser, I think so even more.

IF, and I said IF, TH was involved with KH before he split with DY, what a marvelous opportunity DY now has to get back at the other woman. And KH has an opportunity to get custody of little K, no child support, the house, etc.

I am sorry, I don't see the grace and class so many claim. I need to stop now with what I think, as this whole thing makes me sicker as each day goes by.

 

[redkatrampant]

BBM - I agree. And after watching tonight's presser, I think so even more.

IF, and I said IF, TH was involved with KH before he split with DY, what a marvelous opportunity DY now has to get back at the other woman. And KH has an opportunity to get custody of little K, no child support, the house, etc.

I am sorry, I don't see the grace and class so many claim. I need to stop now with what I think, as this whole thing makes me sicker as each day goes by.

Just wanted to comment on part of this. I have read a lot of your posts and I respect your insight. I know for me , I see a lot of restraint and class for DY because if I thought someone had done something with or to one of my kids/grands I would NOT have that restraint. I just would not. I would probably end up in jail myself.

 

[WholeLottaRosie]

Just wanted to comment on part of this. I have read a lot of your posts and I respect your insight. I know for me , I see a lot of restraint and class for DY because if I thought someone had done something with or to one of my kids/grands I would NOT have that restraint. I just would not. I would probably end up in jail myself.

Thanks, I respect your insight as well. That is what I love about WS, you know. We have different views, and we express them and learn from them. I seriously consider everyone's views, and I am sorry, I have tried to join the majority on this one, as normally that is were I am, and I just can't in this case.


And I really agree with the last part of your comment, if something, Gods forbid, happened to a child of mine, and I knew or thought I knew who did it, look out, I would be in the cell with you. I fervently hope and pray constantly that I, and, you, and all of us never have to know that.

 

[Chewy]

On the one hand there is what could be called class and restraint. But I agree, if someone did something to one of my kids I wouldn't give a damn about going to jail. I'd physically attack them relentlessly until they confessed. I know it. I can't quite grasp what the dynamics of their relationship must be but something here is way off.

 

[cypress]

BBM - I agree. And after watching tonight's presser, I think so even more.

IF, and I said IF, TH was involved with KH before he split with DY, what a marvelous opportunity DY now has to get back at the other woman. And KH has an opportunity to get custody of little K, no child support, the house, etc.

I am sorry, I don't see the grace and class so many claim. I need to stop now with what I think, as this whole thing makes me sicker as each day goes by.

I have said all along that if Terri is guilty, that doesn't make Kaine innocent, and I'm not necessarily referring to Kyron's disappearance.Terri being the bad guy doesn't make Kaine the good guy, IMHO.

I have a strong moral sense of right and wrong, but in life, there is a lot of gray, too. I'm a firm believer in everything takes two -- good and bad. If the marriage was rocky or if Desiree didn't like Terri, that doesn't mean Terri was automatically to blame. Rumors abound that Terri was having an affair with Kaine while he was married to Desiree, but there is absolutely no proof of this. All we know, from Desiree's mouth, is that Desiree didn't speak to Terri until Kyron was a year and a half old.

And then there are little things, the tiniest, smallest consideration like Terri tagging Desiree on a Facebook photograph of Kyron that make me question Terri's status as accused, narcissistic, evil stepmother.

Whether or not Terri is responsible for Kyron's disappearance, she isn't responsible for everything that's gone wrong in the lives of the people around her.

I find it a bit disingenuous for DY and KH to state that Terri isn't cooperating because she's not confessing. They are assuming guilt. In a recent article, Kaine states that LE told him it'd be a marathon not a sprint with regard to this case. That tells me LE has very little evidence against Terri. IMHO, LE is waiting on Kyron's reappearance to advance the case, however that comes about.

With regard to the presser and Terri failing the polygraphs. Well, at the time DY, TY, and KH took the polygraphs, the focus wasn't on them. We now know that LE was zeroed in on TH from the beginning. I've known a lot of cops over the years, and every single cop I've ever known says he/she would never, ever submit to a polygraph. Sociopaths can pass polygraphs and innocent people can fail them. Also, an earlier leak reported by news media, stated that Terri showed deceptive on "a key answer," and I read that as her being deceptive about one key answer. Would it change everyone's mind if the answer was about her being on Suavie Island? What if she tested as being truthful in regard to whether or not she abducted Kyron, harmed him, knows where he is or if he is deceased?

DY and KH can assert that she failed her polygraph even if she only failed one answer. Maybe that's why she was retested, because she only failed the one answer. What if it's a fluke? Or maybe she's lying about where she was and she's afraid to fess up? Who knows. I have no doubt LE leaked that information, and if it's true that she only showed deceptive on one question, I find that strange. If she's responsible for Kyron's disappearance or if she knows who is, it stands to reason that she would've shown up as deceptive on multiple questions.